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[Naltair]

Pacifien wrote...

jojon2se wrote...
Personally I found the silent crying much better.

I certainly interpret the scene different based on either variation. The silent crying comes across Liara looking incredibly drained after the fight, a silent release on everything she had worked towards in the past two years. The audible crying comes across as Liara feeling incredibly vulnerable and shaken by the ordeal. I prefer the former, but really I shouldn't talk. She's not my romance, which means her reactions are going to be different simply based on that, nevermind gender.

Perhaps this too I have moved on to Tali for my main romance so the impact may not have been as great, although I thought overall Liara was handled quite well.

[Jagged Orchid]

jlb524 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

jojon2se wrote...
Personally I found the silent crying much better.

I certainly interpret the scene different based on either variation. The silent crying comes across Liara looking incredibly drained after the fight, a silent release on everything she had worked towards in the past two years. The audible crying comes across as Liara feeling incredibly vulnerable and shaken by the ordeal. I prefer the former, but really I shouldn't talk. She's not my romance, which means her reactions are going to be different simply based on that, nevermind gender.

Liara's reactions should not be gender dependent as she's, you know, an asari.

I could see if this was Miranda we were talking about, as she's a human.  Humans are brought up to treat and react to the two genders differently....not the asari.  They have no concept of it. 

Right, it should be more of a relationship / no relationship issue, not a male / female issue. If we do want to get technical Liara is mono gendered so therefore she really would not care that Shepard is a male or female. Which is again why I'm leaning towards this not being intentional.  It's minor but it is a nice touch. One I would have liked to see included for FemShep.

[Iwakura-Lain]

As always, rynluna, you lead in impeccable and lucid ways. So, when I say: "What she said!", know that I do so not out of laziness, but in recognition of her words needing no addition or modification. I only express my wish that Bioware will take these concerns to heart.

[jlb524]

Valagil wrote...

Right, it should be more of a relationship / no relationship issue, not a male / female issue. If we do want to get technical Liara is mono gendered so therefore she really would not care that Shepard is a male or female. Which is again why I'm leaning towards this not being intentional.  It's minor but it is a nice touch. One I would have liked to see included for FemShep.

Right, it makes sense (to me) for Liara to be more openly emotional in front of her lover, regardless of gender.  It should be romance dependent only and completely independent of gender....  Well, I guess not

[kraidy1117]

mashavasilec wrote...

maybe they just forgot to put the romance/non-romance trigger for femshep

Not surprised. Not after all the sloppy animations.

[Naltair]

I agree her attachment should be gender independent and the differences are odd though probably not indicative of any greater meaning.

[kraidy1117]

Naltair wrote...

I agree her attachment should be gender independent and the differences are odd though probably not indicative of any greater meaning.

Maybe, but it's happen a lot so it's hard to shake that feeling.

[Jagged Orchid]

Naltair wrote...

I agree her attachment should be gender independent and the differences are odd though probably not indicative of any greater meaning.

I tend to agree. However, it can't be corrected and/or prevented for future games/expansions unless it is brought to light.

[Captain Crash]

rynluna wrote...

The minor clipping and FemShep moving her mouth without words could have been forgotten if it weren't for finding out that you are missing out on Liara sobbing in front of you.  She is my favorite character and the one romance I have stayed loyal to.  So it does hurt to know this scene is missing in my game.  I don't care if they fix the clipping.  I would like to hear the audio at that moment that I feel I should be able to hear.

This is really the issue.  It just seems so lazy.  I mean they went to the effort of closing her legs in the scene after. But the build up scene where all the emotion is flowing and they have got miss matched voice animations and arms clipping through arms.  It just seems so rushed and to such a poor standard its almost embarrassing to look at on those youtube vids.  

Plus when you been looking forward to the DLC and you see such obvious differences between male and female playthroughs you cant help but feel hurt that Bioware continue to ignore your character and give her a subpar scenes when its already in the game! 

Modifié par Captain Crash, 29 septembre 2010 - 04:38 .

[JeanLuc761]

kraidy1117 wrote...

mashavasilec wrote...

maybe they just forgot to put the romance/non-romance trigger for femshep

Not surprised. Not after all the sloppy animations.

I can think of maybe...four sloppy animations that were obtuse enough for me to notice, which isn't all that bad given how big the game is. 

Anyways, I personally can't see much difference between the two romance scenes (the exception being Jennifer Hale doing about 1000x better), though the lack of crying audio is a curious glitch.  

Bioware can probably release a patch to fix that without too much trouble.  I would ask though, some of the people here are acting like Bioware is a sexist, lazy company who hates the femshep playerbase; don't you think that's a bit of an overreaction for a couple wonky animations?  MaleShep has some bad animations too, folks.

[Naltair]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I agree her attachment should be gender independent and the differences are odd though probably not indicative of any greater meaning.

Maybe, but it's happen a lot so it's hard to shake that feeling.

Probably more out of that Shepard shares the same exact animations for most of the actions in the game.

So there are bound to be wonky animation gaffes.

Modifié par Naltair, 29 septembre 2010 - 04:40 .

[Naltair]

JeanLuc761 wrote...


Bioware can probably release a patch to fix that without too much trouble.  I would ask though, some of the people here are acting like Bioware is a sexist, lazy company who hates the femshep playerbase; don't you think that's a bit of an overreaction for a couple wonky animations?  MaleShep has some bad animations too, folks.

That is pretty much my other point.

[kraidy1117]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

mashavasilec wrote...

maybe they just forgot to put the romance/non-romance trigger for femshep

Not surprised. Not after all the sloppy animations.

I can think of maybe...four sloppy animations that were obtuse enough for me to notice, which isn't all that bad given how big the game is. 

Anyways, I personally can't see much difference between the two romance scenes (the exception being Jennifer Hale doing about 1000x better), though the lack of crying audio is a curious glitch.  

Bioware can probably release a patch to fix that without too much trouble.  I would ask though, some of the people here are acting like Bioware is a sexist, lazy company who hates the femshep playerbase; don't you think that's a bit of an overreaction for a couple wonky animations?  MaleShep has some bad animations too, folks.

Oh hai Jean

I will admit I'm angry and I'm letting my emotions get the better of me. The thing is, maleshep did get better treatment and it feels like Femshep was just tacked on.

[JeanLuc761]

rynluna wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

I would ask though, some of the people here are acting like Bioware is a sexist, lazy company who hates the femshep playerbase; don't you think that's a bit of an overreaction for a couple wonky animations?  MaleShep has some bad animations too, folks.

I stated in the original post not to bash Bioware and its employees.  Bickering and name calling will get us nowhere.  I just want something done about the sobbing/no sobbing scene. 

And I support that; I wasn't referring to your intentions in particular, just a few members who posted here.  Chances are it's probably just a sound tag that was accidentally disabled for FemShep.

[JamieCOTC]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

mashavasilec wrote...

maybe they just forgot to put the romance/non-romance trigger for femshep

Not surprised. Not after all the sloppy animations.

I can think of maybe...four sloppy animations that were obtuse enough for me to notice, which isn't all that bad given how big the game is. 

Anyways, I personally can't see much difference between the two romance scenes (the exception being Jennifer Hale doing about 1000x better), though the lack of crying audio is a curious glitch.  

Bioware can probably release a patch to fix that without too much trouble.  I would ask though, some of the people here are acting like Bioware is a sexist, lazy company who hates the femshep playerbase; don't you think that's a bit of an overreaction for a couple wonky animations?  MaleShep has some bad animations too, folks.

You make a good point and unfortunately when dealing w/ unknowns that "seem" to degrade a character emotions can sometimes run high.  I'm almost 100% certain it's a glitch and yes, dudeShep has his clipping problems too.   As Shepard herself said, "Let's keep it civil, people." 

[JeanLuc761]

JamieCOTC wrote...

You make a good point and unfortunately when dealing w/ unknowns that "seem" to degrade a character emotions can sometimes run high.  I'm almost 100% certain it's a glitch and yes, dudeShep has his clipping problems too.   As Shepard herself said, "Let's keep it civil, people." 

Indeed.  The animation where Shepard "leans" on a railing while talking to Garrus (while the railing is shown as being about a foot away from where his arms are) is amusing as hell and I laugh every time.

WHOOPS!

[AngryFrozenWater]

Naltair wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I agree her attachment should be gender independent and the differences are odd though probably not indicative of any greater meaning.

Maybe, but it's happen a lot so it's hard to shake that feeling.

Probably more out of that Shepard shares the same exact animations for most of the actions in the game.

Which is not a good thing. But BW is listening and takes little steps to change that. BW also wants to be known for games with a great cinematic experience. We love their dedication, still we found some more room for improvement. And there is yet much more to be done. Walking animations, anyone? BW also gives the impression that they listen to their fans. It seems the fans are just giving them a chance to do that.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 29 septembre 2010 - 04:48 .

[Naltair]

I support gender specific animations and they should embrace this new philosophy.

[Ajosraa]

After reviewing the videos on youtube I can understand some of the passion from the femshep community, especially those who are long time Liara fans. I mainly play male protagonists, and only in ME2 did i make a femshep to expariment, though i never got very far with her to notice enough differences. It seems strange to me that the animations would be different in the first place during LotSB, specifically conserning the sobbing(which i liked more then the silent, trying to "bury her tears" thing).
When i saw the difference on youtube all i could think was, "now why did they change this? Maybe the wrong animation trigger?"...But for the clipping issues I had a thought...Could it be from a slight change in perspective because of the difference in heights between male and female Shepard? Could this also affect her smile duing the cabin sceen?

Modifié par Ajosraa, 29 septembre 2010 - 04:53 .

[CaptainZaysh]

Ye gods. Femshep got her own unique sitting animation for the first time ever. You guys should be grateful, not whining.