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[adneate]

As for the whole not sobbing issue that to me at least has all the hallmarks of a bug, the animation is keyed up exactly the same way in the M and F versions. In fact if you turn off the music there is a really unnatural silence in the Female version of the scene, which gives away the fact that those audio files should be playing but for whatever reason they are not. Much like the Witch Hunt patch I think something should be done on BioWare's end to solve the issue since it is very noticeable and detracts a great deal from the scene. Much like the romance import bugs with witch hunt that really bummed Morrigan fans out.

[kraidy1117]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Ye gods. Femshep got her own unique sitting animation for the first time ever. You guys should be grateful, not whining.

We don't even see that if you romanced Liara

Modifié par kraidy1117, 29 septembre 2010 - 04:59 .

[Vralenalien]

I agree with what Ryn said on OP. She sure knows how to present the case. Pretty hard to come up with anything else than I agree or I support.

I hope the VO sobbing problem is technical (something not trickering) and not intended and that BW will give us patch for it and for other minor, but significant problems femsheps have. And more testing on both genders so this won't happend again.

Once more. I agree with and support OP.

[adneate]

Well if BioWare wants to advertise themselves as a world class development studio then they should realize that people will hold them to a higher standard. Stuff like this is both easy to fix and goes a long way to show that fans and supporters of the game are seen as worth something to the company. It also shows that they value their own products, rather than just shove them out as quickly as possible to make some quick cash before ignoring it and any flaws it has.

[kraidy1117]

rynluna wrote...

I appreciate your support guys and girls. I tried my best not for us to come off as complaining. I hope I did well. As a paying customer, I think I deserve polished romance scenes. If they don't fix the clipping, I'm fine with that. But I, along with others are completely devastated that we did not get the audio of Liara sobbing.

That part now feels unfinshed now, now that I know that I should be able to hear Liara cry.

[davidshooter]

adneate wrote...

As for the whole not sobbing issue that to me at least has all the hallmarks of a bug, the animation is keyed up exactly the same way in the M and F versions. In fact if you turn off the music there is a really unnatural silence in the Female version of the scene, which gives away the fact that those audio files should be playing but for whatever reason they are not. Much like the Witch Hunt patch I think something should be done on BioWare's end to solve the issue since it is very noticeable and detracts a great deal from the scene. Much like the romance import bugs with witch hunt that really bummed Morrigan fans out.

It's not the same scene so it's not just an audio bug.  As someone already pointed out Liara's eyes are closed in the manshep scene as she puts her hands over face.  Her eyes are open in the femshep scene as she does this causing her to appear to be less distressed.  Not sure why they're different but it isn't an audio bug.

Modifié par davidshooter, 29 septembre 2010 - 05:16 .

[Iwakura-Lain]

rynluna wrote...

I appreciate your support guys and girls. I tried my best not for us to come off as complaining. I hope I did well. As a paying customer, I think I deserve polished romance scenes. If they don't fix the clipping, I'm fine with that. But I, along with others are completely devastated that we did not get the audio of Liara sobbing.

The clipping is not an issue for me per se; as long as it's not symptomatic of Femshep getting less dev attention than male shep. Without bashing Mark Meer, I think Jennifer Hale did an incredible job; and for that reason alone I would like to see Femshep get at least as much attention.

[Skyblade012]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Skyblade012 wrote...

ElectronicFerret wrote...

Holy crap there is a lot of spite on this thread.

I'm assuming the differences are oversights. The animations are largely the same because the easiest thing is to substitute one model for another instead of going through the scene again and reanimating everything that is a little bit off because of femshep/manshep differences. If you need proof of other differences, look at the way Shep sits -- even in a dress!

A few small things like Liara audibly sobbing did mystify; in an earlier thread I wondered if it was just an xbox/PC difference. If THIS is the difference, then I don't know why it is; maybe another oversight or something.

The conclusion: chill the crap out, guys. It's still an awesome scene, the dialogue is all still there; these are minor flaws that happen when you have to try and put two people in the same place at the same time. It's not malicious, and it's not even really negligent.

I honestly don't see how it can be an oversight.  The clipping, yes.  The models aren't identical, and clipping issues happen.

But if they just substitute one model for another, there is no way Liara's facial expressions should be different between the two.

Or Liara not even crying out loud with Femshep <_<

That one I can see as an oversight.  There are plenty of ways a sound file can glitch to not play, and that is a minor error (in terms of what would have to trigger it).

Displaying entirely different facial expressions is a different matter.


Although, personally, I don't mind the lack of smiling too much.  It makes the scene seem more serious, more calm.  It's like Liara is just relaxing in Shepard's arms, thinking about a future the two might share.

Rather than just being another one of Male Shep's endless nights of fun with his female companions.

Modifié par Skyblade012, 29 septembre 2010 - 05:17 .

[davidshooter]

Someone take a screen shot of the eyes open vs. the eyes closed and post it. It's a big animation difference - I have the two videos paused and am looking at it now. I can't put up pictures at the moment though.

0.04 in the fem vid
0.55 in the male vid.

Modifié par davidshooter, 29 septembre 2010 - 05:20 .

[Deturis90]

davidshooter wrote...

Someone take a screen shot of the eyes open vs. the eyes closed and post it. It's a big animation difference - I have the two videos paused and am looking at it now..

This.
Why I don't have any male shep ?! 

[lastpatriot]

Just a note: This threat (thanks Ryn!) has gone to almost 8 pages in just a few hours. I think our concerns are being noticed.

[adneate]

davidshooter wrote...

It's not the same scene so it's not just an audio bug.  As someone already pointed out Liara's eyes are closed in the manshep scene as she puts her hands over face.  Her eyes are open in the femshep scene as she does this causing her to appear to be less distressed.  Not sure why they're different but it isn't an audio bug.

I've played them both side by side and the animation length seems identical, facial animations do not que up in the Female version but the body movements are the same. I'd be interested in a cut down version that plays the various final scenes one after the other as rapidly as possible. I'm curious as to exactly what is going on here.

[Iwakura-Lain]

Skyblade012 wrote...

That one I can see as an oversight.  There are plenty of ways a sound file can glitch to not play, and that is a minor error (in terms of what would have to trigger it).

Minor, in terms of programming error. Rather major, I say, considering it only takes one dev watching the animation one time, after it's done, to notice the glitch. It's all about time being alloted to each of the two protagonists; and it would seem Femshep drew the short straw here.

[davidshooter]

adneate wrote...

davidshooter wrote...

It's not the same scene so it's not just an audio bug.  As someone already pointed out Liara's eyes are closed in the manshep scene as she puts her hands over face.  Her eyes are open in the femshep scene as she does this causing her to appear to be less distressed.  Not sure why they're different but it isn't an audio bug.

I've played them both side by side and the animation length seems identical, facial animations do not que up in the Female version but the body movements are the same. I'd be interested in a cut down version that plays the various final scenes one after the other as rapidly as possible. I'm curious as to exactly what is going on here.

Pause the video linked in page one of the crying section on the SB ship at 0.04 and then 0.55 - it's not the same scene.

[Ashii6]

I think some people should go outside and take a deep breath... No offense, but you have the DLC, and yet you are not satisfied because the scene maleShep is a little different from femaleShep. Geez ppl... :|

[kraidy1117]

Was there any point for that difference? The bottom looks like she is very very sad, that's what should have happen, put that with the other difference in Liara's facial expressions between the genders and grrr.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Shavon wrote...

I'm glad that I disn't get to see Liara sobbing . . . that dlc made me cry enough. It is slightly bothersome that Male Shep gets more of a dramatic response out of Liara . . . . but that takes away from the romance, does not add to it. Yes, Liara should be emotional, but she shouldn't lose herself completely just because it's ManShep.

At least with FemShep, Liara has some credit, and is stronger. There shouldn't be a difference.

Still chalking it up to some laziness, but happens all the time when dlc has deadlines. Stuff like that is never going to change.

I'd rather that Liara didn't audibly sob in either case, instead of in both cases.

[Captain Crash]

Ashii6 wrote...

I think some people should go outside and take a deep breath... No offense, but you have the DLC, and yet you are not satisfied because the scene maleShep is a little different from femaleShep. Geez ppl... :|

Your missing the point, its the fact with femsheps playthrough its appears such a lazy rush job with lips moving out of sync and several in your face clipping issues.  See the OP gif for a prime example if you dont want to watch the youtube video.  

On top of that the scene is far from "a little different".  They are two completly different scenes entirely.  One far more emotionally reserved and detached then the other.   When your playing a emotionally charged game these things become more of an issue and you cant help but feel like you missed out.  Especially when its already in the game and available. 

[AngryFrozenWater]

rynluna wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
I'd rather that Liara didn't audibly sob in either case, instead of in both cases.

And many of us who have chosen Liara as our preferred romance for FemShep would like the sobbing scene.  It adds even more emotion to that part and unfortunately it is not in my game. 

Didn't I remind you about situations like this? Or did you remind me? I can't remember.

[GodWood]

This is a pretty minor issue.