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Bioware, FemShep Fans Need to Bring This to Your Attention


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rynluna wrote...

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Someone take a screen shot of the eyes open vs. the eyes closed and post it. It's a big animation difference - I have the two videos paused and am looking at it now. I can't put up pictures at the moment though.

0.04 in the fem vid
0.55 in the male vid.


FemShep
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MaleShep
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It was very hard to watch again, might I add.  But I did it to show the difference.


Thanks: you showed it perfectly.

Now isn't the femshep expression the same one you would get if you were manshep but not a romance?

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I think some people should go outside and take a deep breath... No offense, but you have the DLC, and yet you are not satisfied because the scene maleShep is a little different from femaleShep. Geez ppl... :|


Your missing the point, its the fact with femsheps playthrough its appears such a lazy rush job with lips moving out of sync and several in your face clipping issues.  See the OP gif for a prime example if you dont want to watch the youtube video.  

On top of that the scene is far from "a little different".  They are two completly different scenes entirely.  One far more emotionally reserved and detached then the other.   When your playing a emotionally charged game these things become more of an issue and you cant help but feel like you missed out.  Especially when its already in the game and available. 

This is my conern. Our we going to get less emotinal scenes as Femshep or are we gonig to get the same treatment as Maleshep? It really looks like it's not the case.

Audio=could be a bug
clipping=happens a lot with Femshep
Liara looking more happy and more emotinal with Maleshep then Femshep= <_<

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This is a pretty minor issue.



To say the very least. And I just did the femshep liara bit.

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rynluna wrote...

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I'd rather that Liara didn't audibly sob in either case, instead of in both cases.


And many of us who have chosen Liara as our preferred romance for FemShep would like the sobbing scene.  It adds even more emotion to that part and unfortunately it is not in my game.  :?


Either way, it should probably be the same for either gender of Shep.  I don't see that making a difference for Liara, being Asari and all.

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Captain Crash wrote...

Ashii6 wrote...

I think some people should go outside and take a deep breath... No offense, but you have the DLC, and yet you are not satisfied because the scene maleShep is a little different from femaleShep. Geez ppl... :|


Your missing the point, its the fact with femsheps playthrough its appears such a lazy rush job with lips moving out of sync and several in your face clipping issues.  See the OP gif for a prime example if you dont want to watch the youtube video.  

On top of that the scene is far from "a little different".  They are two completly different scenes entirely.  One far more emotionally reserved and detached then the other.   When your playing a emotionally charged game these things become more of an issue and you cant help but feel like you missed out.  Especially when its already in the game and available. 

Yea, but that's her opinion.
Anyway scene with femshep is way better, I don't want to watch Liara sobbing or crying.
And I think that BioWare 'just' forgot to add (sob) it in femshep scene <- yes strange theory.

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I still think the sobbing is far superior.  It shows that Liara trusts Shepard enough to show that kind of emotion. It's more intimate.

Well, not with my Shepard.   I guess they have trust issues or Liara doesn't feel 100% comfortable with her.  :blink:

Modifié par jlb524, 29 septembre 2010 - 05:54 .


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jlb524 wrote...

I still think the sobbing is far superior.  It shows that Liara trusts Shepard enough to show that kind of emotion. It's more intimate.

Well, not with my Shepard.   I guess they have trust issues or Liara doesn't feel 100% comfortable with her.  :blink:

Clearly she trust maleshep more and judging by how she smiles more, she is also more happy to see him.

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I'll try and add something new to this.
Some of the FemShep players feel shortchanged.
The default Commander "John" Shepard is male.  His model has more details than default Commander "Jane" Shepard.  FemShep isn't advertised in the media, her voice actress wasn't announced until ME1's release.
And then there were animation issues in ME2, with FemShep essentially mimicking ManSheps animations.
Many FemShep fans feel like FemShep has constantly gotten the short end of the stick.  Many of them are females who want to be represented in games.  Some are more bothered about these issues than others, or some are not bothered at all.
Now, there's this LotSB issue with FemShep's clipping and crying.  Given BW's past history with focusing on ManShep, FemShep fans want to know if the smiling and crying discrepancies were true, intentional differences, or oversights.  If it's a difference, it would be appreciated with BW would explain why.  If it's an oversight, then FemShep have reason to feel shafted again.
If this happened in any Kaidan and Ashley DLC, I too would be wondering.  Let's hope it doesn't happen in possible VS DLC.

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I agree that it is odd that there are some different animations, and audio differences. I mean why sob with mshep but not femshep? But I'm leaning to a oversight (bad!) or a bug. I seriously doubt that Bioware sat there and thought they would make it appear that Liara trusts mshep better, or loves him more or is happier to see him. I think that is stretching things just a bit. However if you were all just being facetious by saying that, ignore my comment.

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I'm currently trying to find videos of MaleShep and FemShep that didn't romance Liara...to see if they don't get the sobbing scene. Something tells me they don't get it either. So perhaps a FemShep that romanced Liara received the same scene as them when she is supposed to get the more emotional one that a MaleShep who romanced Liara does.

Modifié par rynluna, 29 septembre 2010 - 06:04 .


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jlb524 wrote...

I still think the sobbing is far superior.  It shows that Liara trusts Shepard enough to show that kind of emotion. It's more intimate.

Well, not with my Shepard.   I guess they have trust issues or Liara doesn't feel 100% comfortable with her.  :blink:

Are you kidding me? Now you're looking for more problems to complain about. It's ridiculous!

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I sent Stanley Woo, javierabegazo, Seagloom, Chris Priestly, Christina Norman, a pm asking for their help and feedback.



and thank you Pacifen for your help and feedback

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look Ashii6 please don't cause problems please..........please be positive

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rynluna wrote...

I'm currently trying to find videos of MaleShep and FemShep that didn't romance Liara...to see if they don't get the sobbing scene. Something tells me they don't get it either. So perhaps a FemShep that romanced Liara received the same scene as them when she is supposed to get the more emotional one that a MaleShep who romanced Liara does.


I think you've nailed it.  It may be as simple as the trigger that tells the game to load the romance cut scene at this point is not working in the femshep version. 

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rynluna wrote...

I'm currently trying to find videos of MaleShep and FemShep that didn't romance Liara...to see if they don't get the sobbing scene. Something tells me they don't get it either. So perhaps a FemShep that romanced Liara received the same scene as them when she is supposed to get the more emotional one that a MaleShep who romanced Liara does.


My first shepard had a romance active with Miranada and didn't romance anyone in ME1, I got the sobbing still. So it's just fem/male variants it seems.

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I'm having a hard time finding vids of FemShep and MaleShep that didn't romance Liara that shows the crying scene. If any of you have vids already of this, I'd appreciate if you gave me the link.

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anyone here know any other Mods that might respond? other than who I said and I will send them a pm

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rynluna wrote...

I'm having a hard time finding vids of FemShep and MaleShep that didn't romance Liara that shows the crying scene. If any of you have vids already of this, I'd appreciate if you gave me the link.



Think I have a save just before the sb fight...

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rynluna wrote...

I'm currently trying to find videos of MaleShep and FemShep that didn't romance Liara...to see if they don't get the sobbing scene. Something tells me they don't get it either. So perhaps a FemShep that romanced Liara received the same scene as them when she is supposed to get the more emotional one that a MaleShep who romanced Liara does.

When I played Joshua, Liara sobbed.

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davidshooter wrote...

rynluna wrote...

I'm currently trying to find videos of MaleShep and FemShep that didn't romance Liara...to see if they don't get the sobbing scene. Something tells me they don't get it either. So perhaps a FemShep that romanced Liara received the same scene as them when she is supposed to get the more emotional one that a MaleShep who romanced Liara does.


I think you've nailed it.  It may be as simple as the trigger that tells the game to load the romance cut scene at this point is not working in the femshep version. 

Like the Conrad Verner glitch?
That should be easy to fix.Image IPB
I truthfully didn't notice the sob difference.  I was just happy to see some emotion in the game.  Image IPB  But I can understand how some might feel. 

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My first shepard had a romance active with Miranada and didn't romance anyone in ME1, I got the sobbing still. So it's just fem/male variants it seems.


Wow.  That sucks.  I just need to find videos to prove that.

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rynluna wrote...

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My first shepard had a romance active with Miranada and didn't romance anyone in ME1, I got the sobbing still. So it's just fem/male variants it seems.


Wow.  That sucks.  I just need to find videos to prove that.


My save has gone missing. All I have is the restart of the ship. I could go through it and fraps it and youtube it, it might take a few though :>

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Mods are just mods. They can't respond. All they can do is pass it along.



But you can have my sobbing scene if its really that important to you. But seriously, people need to not get so hysterical about this. You're looking silly. Likely, two different people were on editing duties is all. They probably didn't expect someone to walk though the scene frame by frame looking for something to feel cheated about.

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Count Viceroy wrote...
My save has gone missing. All I have is the restart of the ship. I could go through it and fraps it and youtube it, it might take a few though :>


Oh, you don't have to do that.  I'm sure I will find a vid eventually that's already out there. 

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rynluna wrote...

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My save has gone missing. All I have is the restart of the ship. I could go through it and fraps it and youtube it, it might take a few though :>


Oh, you don't have to do that.  I'm sure I will find a vid eventually that's already out there. 


Tell you what. I didn't have anything else to do anyway, I'll drag it down to easy for the luls and go through it. I'll check back when I'm done and see if you've found anything.