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[Zjarcal]

Persephone wrote...

I get the Duncan thing, but getting THAT attached to your Commander after six months? REALLY?

Well, I have to say that it's perfectly possible to get deeply attached to someone over a short period of time, especially if that person had a profound impact on your life. I see nothing strange about Alistair's attachment to Duncan.

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...
You let Anora execute everybody's favorite templar, eh? The shaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame! 

I had my own reasons for the execution. Anora's reasons were not determinant, but were still valid.  
So it's less about me allowing it and more about me approving it.

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. I have to wonder......I know how he reacts (Hardened & unhardened) if he is your friend/lover. Does he react very differently if you ignore him/if he hates you? Because his love/friendly reaction makes me feel like scum if I DO let him get executed.

[Miri1984]

*pokes her head in* New to the Cullen love. I wrote a Cullen/Neria one-shot based in an AU where Neria isn't the warden but survives the rebellion if anyone's interested. It's set in my big fanfic universe so there are a few references to outside events, but it does stand alone:

True Companions

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Alistair on the otherhand, except for being a Therein (who doesn't like being that) and a warden (with very naive views that he can barely be called that), is not all that interesting. And if not made king or romanced, basically served little to no purpose in the story. That's how he was in my Canon playthrough anyways. The only defining thing he did there was get himself killed.  

Well, to be fair, the same could be said about almost all the other companions (except Morrigan). If you ignore them, they serve little to no purpose to the story.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 30 septembre 2010 - 10:28 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. I have to wonder......I know how he reacts (Hardened & unhardened) if he is your friend/lover. Does he react very differently if you ignore him/if he hates you? Because his love/friendly reaction makes me feel like scum if I DO let him get executed.

I had him on friendly (even though my PC would not consider himself his close friend). Not sure if his reaction would be different if he hated my PC.
Eh truth be told, his reaction did nothing to me.

@ Zjarcal.
I disagree in thse sense that each character provided something. Through Zevran, we learn about the Antivan Crows, which is interesting. Through Sten, we learn about the Qunari, which is interesting. Through Leliana, we learn about bards , Orlais and a bit of the Chantry / religion. Wynne, the circle. Oghren, what it means to be a warrior in Orzammar and Branka.

All those were interesting. Alistair on the otherhand was not fit to talk about Templars, he wasn't one. Was not fit to talk about Wardens because of his naivety and ignorance on a lot of important issues (the implications of the taint). 

EDIT: well yes served little purpsoe to the story. I should have clarified more. I meant contributed to the general environement.
In short, I don't feel like I learned much from him. Some bits about the Templars. Some bits about the Wardens (Riordan and Duncan do a better job). But that's mostly it.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 30 septembre 2010 - 10:36 .

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. I have to wonder......I know how he reacts (Hardened & unhardened) if he is your friend/lover. Does he react very differently if you ignore him/if he hates you? Because his love/friendly reaction makes me feel like scum if I DO let him get executed.

I had him on friendly (even though my PC would not consider himself his close friend). Not sure if his reaction would be different if he hated my PC.
Eh truth be told, his reaction did nothing to me.

@ Zjarcal.
I disagree in thse sense that each character provided something. Through Zevran, we learn about the Antivan Crows, which is interesting. Through Sten, we learn about the Qunari, which is interesting. Through Leliana, we learn about bards , Orlais and a bit of the Chantry / religion. Wynne, the circle. Oghren, what it means to be a warrior in Orzammar and Branka.

All those were interesting. Alistair on the otherhand was not fit to talk about Templars, he wasn't one. Was not fit to talk about Wardens because of his naivety and ignorance on a lot of important issues (the implications of the taint). 

EDIT: well yes served little purpsoe to the story. I should have clarified more. I meant contributed to the general environement.
In short, I don't feel like I learned much from him. Some bits about the Templars. Some bits about the Wardens (Riordan and Duncan do a better job). But that's mostly it.

I believe that the "revamped" Alistair (The original was supposed to be older, more experienced, quiet) was an attempt to "please the gals". A cute, shy, funny good guy who has never had a girlfriend before. While I still do like him and often romance him (Till the Landsmeet, anyway), I'd have preferred the original idea.

[Miri1984]

Oh, KOP - Alistair was fit to talk about the society in general - this is what happens to unwanted bastards of the royal line. Tragic and gorgeous.



But this is the CULLEN thread!

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ Zjarcal.
I disagree in thse sense that each character provided something. Through Zevran, we learn about the Antivan Crows, which is interesting. Through Sten, we learn about the Qunari, which is interesting. Through Leliana, we learn about bards , Orlais and a bit of the Chantry / religion. Wynne, the circle. Oghren, what it means to be a warrior in Orzammar and Branka.

All those were interesting. Alistair on the otherhand was not fit to talk about Templars, he wasn't one. Was not fit to talk about Wardens because of his naivety and ignorance on a lot of important issues (the implications of the taint). 

EDIT: well yes served little purpsoe to the story. I should have clarified more. I meant contributed to the general environement.
In short, I don't feel like I learned much from him. Some bits about the Templars. Some bits about the Wardens (Riordan and Duncan do a better job). But that's mostly it.

Alistair wasn't exactly a big source of information, but I feel that what he does tell you is interesting and relevant enough. He tells you about how the Wardens only having thirty years of life after the Joining and he tells you about the Calling. He also tells you about the Templars addiction to Lyrium and how the Chantry keeps a monopoly on that.

I don't know, I do feel that Alistair provides something. And I think it's a bit unfair to say that Alistair doesn't provide anything if you chose to ignore him through the whole game. After all, if we were to kill Zevran after the assassination attempt, we wouldn't have learned anything from him either.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 30 septembre 2010 - 10:43 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...
Alistair wasn't exactly a big source of information, but I feel that what he does tell you is interesting and relevant enough. He tells you about how the Wardens only having thirty years of life after the Joining and he tells you about the Calling. He also tells you about the Templars addiction to Lyrium and how the Chantry keeps a monopoly on that.

I don't know, I do feel that Alistair provides something. And I think it's a bit unfair to say that Alistair doesn't provide anything if you chose to ignore him through the whole game. After all, if we were to kill Zevran after the assassination attempt, we wouldn't have learned anything from him either.

All that info about Templars is found in codexes and could have been better given by an actual Templar, hence why me believing that Cullen would have been more interesting.
As for the Wardens, eh very basic info. What Riordan (and Duncan) tells you is more interesting.

Of course I am not saying he didn't provide anything. I sad he didn't provide much, for me at least. And since I completely the reject the idea of him as king, he served no purpose at the Landsmeet, except him trying to desert that is.

And I did not ignore him. He was at friendly and I think I listened to all his dialogue and was generally nice. Nothing too special about that. Not saying he is bad. Just saying, for the lead male companion, he could have been much better. Of course girls would disagree. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 30 septembre 2010 - 10:49 .

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Not saying he is bad. Just saying, for the lead male companion, he could have been much better. Of course girls would disagree.  

Ahem, are you insinuating I'm an Alistair fangirl?!?!?!?!?

Don't make me break out the whip KoP! 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 30 septembre 2010 - 10:52 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Not saying he is bad. Just saying, for the lead male companion, he could have been much better. Of course girls would disagree.  

Ahem, are you insinuating I'm an Alistair fangir?!?!?!?!?

Don't make me break out the whip KoP! 

Sorry, I should have specified. His fans, who are mostly female, would disagree
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And of course they have good reason. I am pretty sure the romance makes him a lot more interesting (and it's true in my Aurora Cousland playthrough). Hence me specifying in my original post that outside of being romanced or made king (which is my canon playthrough), I don't think he offers much. With those two, he is obviously important.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 30 septembre 2010 - 10:54 .

[Sarah1281]

Well, Alistair is kind off essential, given the plot.

I think that it would make plenty of sense to be able to just leave him at Redcliffe once Eamon's awake to deal with Landsmeet issues and make sure he doesn't get himself killed while you're off army-gathering.

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

And of course they have good reason. I am pretty sure the romance makes him a lot more interesting (and it's true in my Aurora Cousland playthrough). Hence me specifying in my original post that outside of being romanced or made king (which is my canon playthrough), I don't think he offers much. With those two, he is obviously important.

You do have a point now that I think about it. If not romanced or made king, he isn't as interesting as the other companions.

Ahem, are we hijacking a Cullen thread to talk about Alistair? Oh dear!

Here's some Cullen:

[Shutterbones]

Oh yeesss I spy Cullen faces, those are quite lovely!



And as for the discussion, off topic is fine but let's not get into a huge debate over Alistair guys haha. I will say I have to side with KoP on this one. If it makes anyone feel better, being a female and also being a female who's first playthrough was essentially an Alistair romance and became king, I still agree with KoP so you can't say I ignored him, because I didn't.



Alistair does have his charms, but in a large sense he was created to sort of make a loose framework for the popular end of romance/mainstory choice for the game. I remember reading and watching videos where the creators discussed how Alistair was originally going to be this hard-tact, weathered warrior templar and I honestly LOVED that idea. That creates a dynamic and challenging character--you want to know what led him to be so cold.



In a way Cullen is, as a lot of people say, what Alistair COULD have been should he have stayed in the chantry and matured up to full templarhood, I guess haha. I still do prefer Cullen far above any other character. He has a lot of story to him that isn't said--and that's what makes him interesting.

[CalJones]

That's a nice bit of fan art.

I find Cullen more appealing than Alistair, actually...but then I don't find Alistair particularly appealing as a love interest. Probably because I'm twice his age. He reminds me of some middle class university undergraduate - one studying something useless like art history where he'd be the sole male in a class of 30 women. Plus he has poor personal hygiene (according to Wynne, anyway).

Cullen's more of a challenge because he's so repressed. It would be funny to find a spell that would make his armour fall off...

[Zjarcal]

For those who want a little Cullen love, the "More options at the Pearl" mod has him as an option...

Modifié par Zjarcal, 01 octobre 2010 - 11:28 .

[Aeowyn]

I would imagine it would be very difficult to get Cullen in bed if he would've joined as a party member and an LI. He was brought up in the Chantry as well but I think he took his religion more serious than Alistair and also with his vows. And let's not even begin with the whole lyrium addiction.
But he is a cutie. I SO wish I could've had some forbidden naughty time with him in the Tower instead of helping out Jowan (ugh...)

(And regarding the original plans for Alistair, from what I read I got the impression that he would be another Carth, minus the dead wife and dark side kid.)

Modifié par Aeowyn, 01 octobre 2010 - 11:57 .

[Zjarcal]

Getting Cullen into bed would prove difficult indeed. He pretty much runs away from you in the tower if you start getting flirty. I imagine he'd be really uptight about it. If Alistair, who isn't as broken as Cullen, rejects the warden's insinuations at first, Cullen might do a holy smite on the warden who approaches him too soon.

[Aeowyn]

Haha or run off into the forest to...uh...get some wood. Aw but the LI story could be so interesting. They could develop the confusion he has over his feelings for the Warden and that he feels like he's betraying his vows. And imagine the arguments. The big one would probably be if the PC decides to save Connor by using blood magic.

[Zjarcal]

Oh dear, that would be a conversation I wouldn't want to have. Actually, I think going for the blood ritual could be his "crisis" point. If Alistair has the reaction he has when the blood ritual is done, I think it's feasible that Cullen would say "this is where I draw the line".



Another interesting exchange would've been in Soldier's Peak with Avernus, especially if you allow Avernus to continue his research.

[Merilsell]

Aeowyn wrote...
And regarding the original plans for Alistair, from what I read I got the impression that he would be another Carth, minus the dead wife and dark side kid.)

Yeah, I really didn't like Carth and it would have been  to have Alistair like that, really. The defrosting the hard and icy persona has been also already covered with Morrigan. So I'm glad the concept got ditched and I have my Mr. Snarkypants instead.

[Shutterbones]

Reviving the thread for the sake of Cullen! :]



I wanted to give a spotlight to this fabulous Cullen tshirt created on Cafepress as a contribution to our favorite templar: http://www.cafepress...l_tee,427053440



I now own the gem and proudly wear it around waiting for someone to recognize who it speaks of haha. Anyone else here have any Cullen trinkets/contributions/jewelry they'd like to share? In retrospect, what merchandising do you believe should be made in favor of Cullen?



Personally I'd think some jewelry featuring Cullen or even just Tower Templars would be amazing.

[Shutterbones]

Finally got around to doing a quick sketch painting featuring solely Cullen and all his glory:







I imagine, if your PC was involved in any way with him, it was rather hard having to watch her go. In retrospect, it crossed my mind that it seems like the templars of the tower are sort of trapped there as much as the mages..maybe perhaps some of them feel caged as well? Cullen, perhaps, might feel like a wilting bird confined to a cage at times when it comes to his conflicts between desire and duty.



What do you guys believe?

[Jon Jern_]

I wasn't really interested in him, but it was disappointing that you couldn't really have a good end with him. When he confesses his love for you in the tower at Broken Circle, the only options we're pretty much telling him off or telling him to shut up.

[Zjarcal]

@tysandri:



Wow, that's a really nice artwork! Well done.



And yes, I also believe the Templars feel caged. It reminds me of that Templar that was possessed by the Desire Demon. The illusion she created allowed him to escape his reality and fulfill a fantasy that his lifestyle didn't allow.