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[sparkis]

With all the DLC equipment that's potentially available, and along with the fact that more are likely to come (e.g. further chapters of Journeys), how do you feel this would affect game balance?

I would assume that the game was designed to be balanced so that you could enjoy the challenges presented without the need to obtain the DLC items.

If it doesn't affect balance all that much, then is it worthwhile spending your time/money seeking/purchasing DLC items at all? It if does have some impact, though it may not affect the story aspect of the game, would it take some of the fun away from the challenge of the game?

[Srikandi715]

There have been a few threads on this topic. To summarize, I'm with you, but we're in the minority

[sparkis]

Ahh, apologies. Didn't notice any of these threads when seaching for them.



What's the majority view?

[Srikandi715]

Dug up one of the threads.

The majority view is that these items give a little variety to the equipment and might help for part of the game but not enough to unbalance it. *shrug*

If so, why bother, say I

Modifié par Srikandi715, 25 octobre 2009 - 02:14 .

[hexaligned]

We won't know until we play the game, they might get replaced early on with better items. None of them look particuarly game unbalancing to me.

[Shadow_cake]

The items are meant to make the more expensive packages seem more appealing. Also, since you don't actually know the extent of how much the item will aid your character in the game, you cant tell if the item is worthless or not after an hour or so of gameplay.
As for future items to come that might become available for download, I'd say that it'd be best if they weren't

[Eoweth]

I'm a firm believer in that DLC shouldn't drastically change the game. More content sure, but nothing that imbalances the game. DLC should be all cosmetic really, not "required" or "superior" items. I'm afraid that EA only sees dollar signs, so DLC will be designed as such that should be part of the game, not "extras" thereby essentially requiring you to get it and pay for it. EA doesn't care about game balance, they want the game balanced so that you need to buy the DLC.

[Srikandi715]

I would say just the opposite: that DLC should add substantially to the game, including a rebalancing around the new content However, DLC should not be showered like rice at a wedding as a reward for doing stuff like participating in a marketing campaign (playing Journeys, uploading a character here etc) or included in a Collector's Edition.



DLC should function as a mini-expack. It should be something that the developer can make that can't be hacked up by a modder in five minutes.

[sparkis]

For me, it's all relative.



If it costs next to no time and no money, I don't have much of an issue with it cause it doesn't "cost" a lot to obtain it e.g. Lucky Ring. If it takes a fair amount of your time and/or money, I'd would want it to be reasonably substancial. Now, for me, quest-based DLCs are worthwhile in my eyes as it adds value to the overall gaming experience.



I guess I'm trying to post-rationalise whether it was worthwhile playing Dragon Age Journeys for the couple of items you could easily obtain through a single run through. The Helmet is certainly for me too much of a waste of time for what you get in return.

[Arttis]

If the DLC IS TOO STRONG do not use it.If its too weak then there wont be any imbalance.Thats pretty much it.You can alway turn up the difficulty.

[Korva]

As someone who hates games based around loot, I'd say and hope that most such DLC/bonuses are pointless. The real stuff, the new ares, companions and quests, are hopefully worth it. But jumping through hoops for another pissant ring or whatever is silly. And I honestly wish they wouldn't throw such things around so much.

I haven't finished Journeys yet -- partly because I lost hours of "work" along with my saves, damnit -- but I'm not playing it for the items, only for the brief dip into the DA world before the real game arrives.

Modifié par Korva, 25 octobre 2009 - 09:01 .

[RedefineGordon]

Speaking from the opposite frame of mind...

I'm the kind of guy who plays games like this and literaly hoardes everything. Like some sort of video game packrat. Take KotOR for example. I did my best to have 1 of every item in the game stored on Ebon Hawk. Or the Eldar Scroles games, specifically Morrowind/Oblivion, I again hoarded one of every item in the game. Or Diablo 2, I had dozens of mules holding again, at least one of every unique item in the game... I could go on and on, with RPG's I've played, but those are some of the more well known ones.


So for a person like me the DLC is not DLC, it's another item for me to obtain, catagorise, and store, I imagine these items are unique, so even if the game has a limit to just how much I'm able to carry, the importance of items goes... Unique Powerful -----> Unique Weak ------> Rare Powerful ------> Rare Weak --------> Powerful ------> Weak. If you understand what I'm saying you will understand why I must have the DLC, the items are Unique, game breaking or not I must have them... 



The truly odd thing is, I don't particularaly enjoy collecting one of every item, I find it tedious and draining. Call it an eccentricity, and obsseive disorder, but I simply cannot enjoy a game, where I'm unable to find the best items or most rare items.



Turth be told, I'd rather not have DLC at all, it's such a hassel paying for and downloading content, but whatever life goes on.

[Arttis]

Dont worry the BEST is always in the game without the DLC.Well there is always the toolset to change it.

[Cuuniyevo]

Gordon, never buy Borderlands. Just don't. It might kill you. =[



Dragon Age: Origins is actually the first game I'll ever have DLC for, so I don't really have an opinion about it yet. I'll try to keep an open mind though. I'm sure there will be thousands of mods made that will offer far more balance-breaking items than those linked to promotional deals, so I think in the grand scheme of things, this'll be alright. The number of promotional items is a little alarming, but hey, they're free and optional, so whatever.

[M_arc]

RedefineGordon wrote...

Speaking from the opposite frame of mind...

I'm the kind of guy who plays games like this and literaly hoardes everything. Like some sort of video game packrat. Take KotOR for example. I did my best to have 1 of every item in the game stored on Ebon Hawk. Or the Eldar Scroles games, specifically Morrowind/Oblivion, I again hoarded one of every item in the game. Or Diablo 2, I had dozens of mules holding again, at least one of every unique item in the game... I could go on and on, with RPG's I've played, but those are some of the more well known ones.


So for a person like me the DLC is not DLC, it's another item for me to obtain, catagorise, and store, I imagine these items are unique, so even if the game has a limit to just how much I'm able to carry, the importance of items goes... Unique Powerful -----> Unique Weak ------> Rare Powerful ------> Rare Weak --------> Powerful ------> Weak. If you understand what I'm saying you will understand why I must have the DLC, the items are Unique, game breaking or not I must have them... 



The truly odd thing is, I don't particularaly enjoy collecting one of every item, I find it tedious and draining. Call it an eccentricity, and obsseive disorder, but I simply cannot enjoy a game, where I'm unable to find the best items or most rare items.



Turth be told, I'd rather not have DLC at all, it's such a hassel paying for and downloading content, but whatever life goes on.

I'm having the exact same 'problem' I want the best of the best. Maybe we should seek help 0___0

[Scherman71]

Downloadable quests, locations, charaters, it like that a lot if it brings more of the game.
( I love it is basically expansions to the game.)

I really like that you get stoneprisoner for free with the game if you buy it on release,
and that is just the kind of content i would buy.

i will for sure buy all expansions to this game as long as they give me more adventure and a good amount of playingtime in them.

Modifié par Scherman71, 25 octobre 2009 - 10:02 .

[Zilod]

i suppose it will be not a big issue and that we will not be able to use the dlc sword of uber doom at lv 1

if you look at the descritpion of the fire staff (for dlc preorder) it is said that is usable at lv7 and is tought as a midgame staff.



so i suppose that such items will be helpfull, but i doubt they will trivialize the game



another thing that we should take in account is that we dont know how much items impact the global char potency... mmo, for example, are extremely itemcentric as people have to spend time (or money) to get items.

But this is a single player game so is not necessary to relay so much on items to make a char powerfull and if this will be the case then the impact of such items will be quite minor.



ahhh and dont forget that DA seem to be quite a difficult game so, even in the worst scenario (with items greatly helping the chars), probabbly a little help will be welcome

[Varenus Luckmann]

I know I'm in the minority, but I won't play the game until I positively know that I can have access to all the "extra" items through their proper in-game means (i.e. I won't cheat or just put them all in a barrel in the beginning with the toolset). With a current total of over 15 items, this is no longer a question of "Oh, it's only one or two minor items". Even if I end up using only one item for only one hour, that's an addition to my play experience. Let alone 15, over 4 characters at any one time.

Are there better items? Probably. But that's completely beside the point. I want as an complete experience as possible. And that includes all these "extras" they're handing out to specific vendors at whim.

I find myself extremely put off by all these extra things that I have no chance to get through truly legit means.

Modifié par Varenus Luckmann, 25 octobre 2009 - 10:55 .

[RedefineGordon]

Cuuniyevo wrote...

Gordon, never buy Borderlands. Just don't. It might kill you. =[

Dragon Age: Origins is actually the first game I'll ever have DLC for, so I don't really have an opinion about it yet. I'll try to keep an open mind though. I'm sure there will be thousands of mods made that will offer far more balance-breaking items than those linked to promotional deals, so I think in the grand scheme of things, this'll be alright. The number of promotional items is a little alarming, but hey, they're free and optional, so whatever.

You're freaking tellin me

I was playing it with a friend and I couldn't focus on the fight because all this loot was dropping, within the first hour I had a dozen or so guns and not the heart to sell one of them. Then I heard there are thousands of items in the game


Still, I'll probably pick it up when I run into town to get my copy of Dragon Age. It was fun, and it will be a great game to play with my roommate, but I expect it will collect dust untill at least my 3rd Dragon Age playthrough.

[Evilsod]

Just so long as there isn't a power creep in the future. MMO players will know what i mean. By the time Guild Wars: Eye of the North came out the new skills were so much more powerful than the initial ones, it was clearly just a selling point. WoW slowly ramping up the levels and with it the power.



It gets kinda annoying when you can clearly tell a later DLC is containing insanely powerful items just to get you to buy it.

[Varenus Luckmann]

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It gets kinda annoying when you can clearly tell a later DLC is containing insanely powerful items just to get you to buy it.

Fallout 3, anyone?