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[The Spamming Troll]

hawat333 wrote...

Shepard is a real men.
Just take a look at real men now: John Matrix, John Spartan, John Rambo, Dutch, Douglas Quaid...
None of them needed a laser sight. Real men simply doesn't.

total recall rules.

[Tokion]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

hawat333 wrote...

Shepard is a real men.
Just take a look at real men now: John Matrix, John Spartan, John Rambo, Dutch, Douglas Quaid...
None of them needed a laser sight. Real men simply doesn't.

total recall rules.

They are all cowboys shooting from the hip. Also they are definately NOT "modern"....Rambo was 20+ years ago.

Look at soldiers from the 21st century with people like Jason Bourne, Jack Bauer, Sam Fisher. All uses lasers for more badass.    

[RGFrog]

I don't recall Bourne ever using a laser sight...

Laser sights are gimmicky and do more to give your position away than help you aim. They were cool in the 80's when they helped kill communists in movies. But otherwise, if you've ever used on in RL you'll quickly understand how unnecessary they are.

I primarily use the phalanx and most times, wish it had a button to turn the laser off. It doesn't always equate to hitting what I'm aimed at, and there are other goofs associated with it. But, I like the power of the phalanx, so I take the bad with the good

[Inquisitor Recon]

Laser sights have proven value at intimidating whatever scumbag they are being pointed at. Seriously some Canadian unit in Afghanistan confirmed it in a study. Something about a red (or green, or blue in the case of ME2) dot on your chest makes you more willing to do what the other guy says I guess.

[Flamewielder]

I find the Phalanx laser sight to be distracting. I stick to the Carnifex and leave the Phalanx to the squaddies.

[sinosleep]

RGFrog wrote...

I don't recall Bourne ever using a laser sight...
Laser sights are gimmicky and do more to give your position away than help you aim. They were cool in the 80's when they helped kill communists in movies. But otherwise, if you've ever used on in RL you'll quickly understand how unnecessary they are.

Laser sights are in no way gimmicky, they perform exactly as advertised which is the reason you can use them when training people in how to fire a weapon. A properly installed laser sight will hit where there laser is pointed each and ever time. While not particularly useful for people that have very good sight picture acquisition it is a HUGE help for people that don't (since there is no fuss associated with looking at a target and placing the dot where you want to shoot as opposed to having to acquire a sight picture) and also for training people in regularly acquiring a good sight picture since it makes it easy to point out when they haven't done it properly by comparing where they think they are aiming to where laser is actually pointing.

[edit here] Just thought I would add that although something like an acog sight acomplishes essentially the same thing without giving away your position you can't really use them on handguns, which is primarily where laser sights make their living.

Modifié par sinosleep, 13 octobre 2010 - 01:20 .

[The Spamming Troll]

i just came across this article actually.



http://www.gamepro.c...er/post/113423/

[The Grey Ranger]

sinosleep wrote...




Laser sights are in no way gimmicky, they perform exactly as advertised which is the reason you can use them when training people in how to fire a weapon. A properly installed laser sight will hit where there laser is pointed each and ever time. While not particularly useful for people that have very good sight picture acquisition it is a HUGE help for people that don't (since there is no fuss associated with looking at a target and placing the dot where you want to shoot as opposed to having to acquire a sight picture) and also for training people in regularly acquiring a good sight picture since it makes it easy to point out when they haven't done it properly by comparing where they think they are aiming to where laser is actually pointing.

[edit here] Just thought I would add that although something like an acog sight acomplishes essentially the same thing without giving away your position you can't really use them on handguns, which is primarily where laser sights make their living.

If you wanted something that works reasonably well on a hand gun, in a similar fashion, you could always use something like a reflex sight (ie Red Dot)  There are several non magnifying types that work just fine on pistols.

Modifié par The Grey Ranger, 13 octobre 2010 - 05:11 .

[Welder0]

If you wanted something that works reasonably well on a hand gun, in a similar fashion, you could always use something like a reflex sight (ie Red Dot)  There are several non magnifying types that work just fine on pistols.

True enough, the Aimpoint Micro's are quite good, but I'd only consider them for informal work. My social handguns are good to go strictly with irons.

Quoth Jesse Stone: "In a fight, front sight."

[azerSheppard]

Lasersight = looks cool, but not effective

[Zeirem]

 I'd like more ammo on both the phalanx and mattock.. I adjusted the ammo on a few guns. I don't like having to worry about having enough ammo during missions lol. Anyone know the Syntax for the Mattock and Phalanx to make some adjustments to the ammo in Coalsced? I've already finished the game.. just looking to mess around and go guns blazing lol.

[Ahglock]

I can't hit **** with the laser sight. It doesn't sink up well with where I was aiming before I finally hit the aim button. And honestly I can rarely see where the laser sight is pointing once it is going. I'll stick with my predator.

[termokanden]

Tony Gunslinger wrote...

Isn't the point of a lasersight in real life is to simulate the crosshairs we often see in video games?

Yes, and since we already have those in the game, you really gain nothing by using the laser sight.

It actually makes it more difficult to aim. So no thanks

I wouldn't mind though if they were optional.

Modifié par termokanden, 28 avril 2011 - 10:27 .

[jamesp81]

Ympulse wrote...

Ares Caesar wrote...
Given the fact that I think we all can agree using the laser sight doesnt increase your DPS, but it does increase your accuracy, I think that'd be a fair enough mod.

I'd have to disagree with that statement. Crosshairs and Laser sight are two very different aiming styles.

With the laser sight you're focusing on your intended target (to confirm the location of the laser's bead), making your aim go to the target.

With the crosshairs you're focusing on the reticle itself, ensuring the CoF is on top of your intended target, making the target come into your line of fire.

Much like iron sights/Holographic sights and lasers on real weapons. Neither is 'better' in the overall scheme of things, they're just different means to the same end.

I dunno.  I've always preferred red dot sights and holographic sights to iron sights on any given rifle.  With iron sights, you have three things to keep track of: the rear sight, the front sight, and the target.  You can only have one in focus at a time, and conventional wisdom dictates best results are usually achieved by focusing on the front sight.  The beauty of something like an Aimpoint red dot or Eotech holographic sight is that you only focus on one thing: the target.  This is also true of laser sights.  With all of these your aiming point and your target on the same focal plane.

This is not an issue in a video game because everything on your monitor is in a single focal plane.

I still like the Phalanx laser sight, though.  On my caster classes, I use it whenever the range is too long for accurate SMG fire.  After I get an upgraded weapon on the collector ship, I still use it for whenever I fight Krogan and Vorcha.  It rocks against Blood Pack.

Modifié par jamesp81, 28 avril 2011 - 04:09 .

[jamesp81]

Welder0 wrote...

If you wanted something that works reasonably well on a hand gun, in a similar fashion, you could always use something like a reflex sight (ie Red Dot)  There are several non magnifying types that work just fine on pistols.

True enough, the Aimpoint Micro's are quite good, but I'd only consider them for informal work. My social handguns are good to go strictly with irons.

Quoth Jesse Stone: "In a fight, front sight."

I personally like Crimson Trace laser grips + irons on social handguns.  Lasers and red dots provide quicker target acquisition and easier aiming.  The CT laser grip set up gives you a laser that you don't have to manually turn on and, if it fails, the CT grips don't obstruct use of iron sights.

With that said, Aimpoints have been sitting on a lot of US Army M4 Carbines for a while now, and they apparently are pretty damned robust.  I prefer the Trijicon ACOG sight on a rifle, though, but that's just my preference.

[jamesp81]

sinosleep wrote...

Tony Gunslinger wrote...

Isn't the point of a lasersight in real life is to simulate the crosshairs we often see in video games?

It's essentially there to make up for bad technique whether it be because the technique itself is bad because of the circumstanes in which you find yourself. When using iron sights the angle at which you look at the sights and see the target is called your sight picture. If you look through the sights from a different angle it will throw your sight picture and thus your aim off. Which is why when training with say an M16 you're trained to put your cheek to the cheek weld in the exact same spot even single time (I put my nose to the charging handle) in order to maintain a good sight picture. With a laser sight you bypass the sights all together and simply place the dot on your target and pull the trigger. Of course this only works if the sight itself has been properly zeroed and if it hasn't be dislodged or moved in some way since that's been done.

I hate nose to charging handle:sick:  Of course, it doesn't work too well on my AR, as I've got the A2-style fixed stock on it.  A bit too long for that high speed, low drag, collapsible stock non-sense

[jamesp81]

Katamariguy wrote...

 

Does it bug anyone that all the other pistols have what looks like a laser sight?

I think the "laser sight" on these are put there for cosmetic purposes.  I suspect the designers took inspiration from existing handgun designs to make something recognizeable but still futuristic looking.  The "laser sight" on these pistols is placed where, on almost all automatic pistols, the end cap for the recoil spring is located.  The recoil spring is the spring that operates the slide on a modern pistol.  Of course, ME firearms don't need a moving slide to eject spent cases and feed new cartridges, so I guess it's just there for the familiar look.

[jamesp81]

RGFrog wrote...

I don't recall Bourne ever using a laser sight...<br />
Laser sights are gimmicky and do more to give your position away than help you aim. They were cool in the 80's when they helped kill communists in movies. But otherwise, if you've ever used on in RL you'll quickly understand how unnecessary they are.<br />
I primarily use the phalanx and most times, wish it had a button to turn the laser off. It doesn't always equate to hitting what I'm aimed at, and there are other goofs associated with it. But, I like the power of the phalanx, so I take the bad with the good

You know what I think the very best use of a laser sight is?

Trigger control training on handguns.  Dead serious.  Over conventional iron sights, people may shoot a handgun inaccurately and wonder why their accuracy is poor.  Dry-fire practice with a laser sight will show a beginner just how good (or bad) their trigger control is.  The laser will show you jerking the trigger much more readily than iron sights will.

[The Spamming Troll]

id rather look cool while missing a couple shots, then actually have a good sight option and not look cool.

i liked the laser sight because then i didnt have a little circle or cross reticle on my screen. kindof a bit more immersive for me.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 28 avril 2011 - 05:47 .

[naledgeborn]

The Phalanx is awesome against Light Mechs and shielded mooks. It has a learning curve but if you take the time it's really a deadly pistol.

[Someone With Mass]

I'd like the laser sight as a weapon mod to use with pistols in ME3.

And hopefully, there will be more than three pistols this time.

[Relix28]

I like the Phalanx actually. It has a nice kick to it when you fire and the laser thing is cool too. The only thing that kinda bothers me is that it's not a collapsable weapon like the others and it looks really huge when it's stays on the hip. It looks especially weird on squadmates, so I usually equip them with Carnifex, since most of them never use handguns anyway.

[TomY90]

evolveNZ wrote...

Am I the only one who absolutely hates the laser sight? Short and long range it works fine, but anywhere in the middle and the sight just doesn't show up. Might just be me, who knows.

No i agree with you the sight was useless I pretty much never used it again and just assigned the guns to my other squad members because it was powerful and accurate (if it was not for the laser sight)

[DJ CAVE SLAVE]

You can see in cutscenes that all of the sniper rifles have red lasersights. After using the Phalanx, I can easily say I'm glad they aren't usable.

[jamesp81]

DJCS wrote...

You can see in cutscenes that all of the sniper rifles have red lasersights. After using the Phalanx, I can easily say I'm glad they aren't usable.

Those may not be laser sights.  They could be infrared lasers, which would be used to illuminate targets for use with a thermal optic.