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[CalJones]

Beggargirl's not unique - I'm female and I enjoy playing male characters. I've more DA runs with males than females. The Morrigan romance is tricky but I enjoyed it very much. I also much prefer to romance Zevran with a male, but I like a bit of hot man on man action (rawr). Curiously, the only romance I've not managed to keep until the end of the game is Alistair's. It never seems to last beyond Landsmeet. (Well, the clue's in the signature, isn't it?) I've a couple of Couslands who have married Anora, though - I actually enjoy the idea of thawing out that frosty exterior. Pretty, smart and ruthless - what's not to like? (Unless you want a woman who will sew on buttons for you and kiss your boo boos better - but that means you'd be stuck with Wynne).

[beggargirl]

beggargirl wrote...

Tequitos wrote...

Yea i wasn't a big fan of the Morrigan romance, but I feel wierd trying to make a female. lol

I can only speak from a female point of view, but I think the male romanceable NPC's were far more interesting than the female ones.

Even the non romanceable ones, Bann Teagan, Leske, Jowan, Daveth, Duncan...
They all seemed to have more 'personality' that shouldn't depend on what sex they are.

[Sesshomaru47]

My brother played through as a female elven mage and I've played through as both the female noble and a male Dalish...awww he and Zevran made a sweet couple. I think I heard gagging in the background though...

edit (I'm a girl btw)

Modifié par Sesshomaru47, 01 octobre 2010 - 09:32 .

[beggargirl]

CalJones wrote...

Beggargirl's not unique - I'm female and I enjoy playing male characters. I've more DA runs with males than females. The Morrigan romance is tricky but I enjoyed it very much. I also much prefer to romance Zevran with a male, but I like a bit of hot man on man action (rawr). Curiously, the only romance I've not managed to keep until the end of the game is Alistair's. It never seems to last beyond Landsmeet. (Well, the clue's in the signature, isn't it?) I've a couple of Couslands who have married Anora, though - I actually enjoy the idea of thawing out that frosty exterior. Pretty, smart and ruthless - what's not to like? (Unless you want a woman who will sew on buttons for you and kiss your boo boos better - but that means you'd be stuck with Wynne).

I wonder if this has something to do with the fact that as females many of the stories and movies and media that we see tend to be experienced through a male protagonist.  It is probably harder and more uncomfortable for a male to role play a female as they have not experienced this, on top of the fact that society still tends to frown upon men emulating qualities that are considered "feminine".

[Kernel Cinders]

I've been playing online games since 1997 and the ratio of male to female players has closed the gap considerably, but even in 2010 it's still a male-dominated gaming society. The ratio isn't the problem. It's the males who are being creepy, sexist, and downright rude to female players who are just trying to relax for a few minutes and have a little fun blowing up other pixels that have names attached to them.



The really interesting thing is that now I see many, many more adults playing online games and being respectful, but there will *always* be assclowns and jerks in the online gaming world. I don't blame females for playing male characters one bit. There are some *very* creepy people in the internet, and unfortunately, some of them are very good hackers.



As for myself, I refuse to play a female gender online. It's way too creepy for me. In a single-player game, it's irrelevant to me because I am not directly interacting with other people.



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[beggargirl]

Kernel Cinders wrote...

As for myself, I refuse to play a female gender online. It's way too creepy for me. In a single-player game, it's irrelevant to me because I am not directly interacting with other people.

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Try ten years ago online when just having a female sounding nick would automatically get you dozens of "a/s/l?" prompts and sex messages.

[Ferretinabun]

Anyone heard of the Bechdel Test? It measures female presence in stories. For it to pass, it must pass three criteria = 1) there must be two or more named female characters 2) there must be at least one conversation between these female characters 3) it must be about something other than a man. I can stop noticing it ever since I heard about it.



DA:O does pass (ignoring the warden as you can choose your gender), but only because of the odd conversation here and there - between Morrigan and Flemeth, the two chantry sisters in Denerim who keep getting the chant wrong, etc. Many female characters never speak with another female - Anora, Ser Cauthrien, Isolde...



Just interesting to note how scant non-love-related female dialogue there is in films/games/TV shows. And just FYI, unbalanced as it is, DA:O still does a lot better than many films/games released even in this day and age.

[Sarah1281]

Morrigan and Wynne, Morrigan and Leliana, and Leliana and Wynne also have banters together that don't involve the male Warden as LI. Granted, some of Morrigan and Leliana's do but they also talk about other things like whether the Maker exists.



Anora speaks to Erlina and Cauthrien literally only talks to you and Loghain so she's just not in it enough. That's a good point about Isolde, though.

[Tequitos]

Playing DAO has really caught me up with the modern gaming society. Without starting arguments I didn't know so many females played, I know alot of people were rude to girls over cod, and that annoyed me.

[beggargirl]

Ferretinabun wrote...

Anyone heard of the Bechdel Test? .

Yep.  It makes me sad.
Dragon age handles women pretty well compared to so many other things.  But I think writers in general still write female characters as female characters generally.  Does that make sense?

I remember reading an article about how the actress playing Sweet Dee on It's Always Sunny almost turned down the role because she didn't want to be "the female character".  When the (male) writers said they didn't really know how to write a female character she told them to just wrtie like they would for a man. 

I think they actually succeeded quite well in making Sweet Dee another person on the show, instead of, a woman character on the show.

[beggargirl]

Tequitos wrote...

Playing DAO has really caught me up with the modern gaming society. Without starting arguments I didn't know so many females played, I know alot of people were rude to girls over cod, and that annoyed me.

I personally know almost as many female gamers as male.  In fact, when I was younger (in the early 90's), most of the gamers I knew were female.  To me it seems that half the "only guys play video games" is stereotype, and the other half is social conditioning that tells girls that playing video games is a boy thing.

Personally, now at least, I don't play a lot of games because they seem to cater to stereotyped male wants.  Big breasted objectified women who only serve as objects in game, with lots of violence. (Edit:  Or at least the marketting makes many of them seem that way).  Not that I don't enjoy the games if I do play them (resident evil 4 was a wonderful surprise), but I won't go out of my way to play them unless someone tells me that the game is actually fun to play.

Modifié par beggargirl, 01 octobre 2010 - 10:02 .

[Tequitos]

Actually thats why I really liked females in DAO universe, they weren't treated like sexual conquests. They had character, and I really liked how they handled male flirting.

[Ferretinabun]

Sarah - I was discounting any banter your companions have as party companions, as that is a variable you control. I realise that doesn't leave an awful lot of dialogue left, but what there is is very male dominated.



Good spot on Anora and Erlina though. I'd forgotten that.

[beggargirl]

Tequitos wrote...

Actually thats why I really liked females in DAO universe, they weren't treated like sexual conquests. They had character, and I really liked how they handled male flirting.

I mostly agree.   Though, one of the reasons I've avoided the male characters so far is that I hear they have a few chances to get kisses from female NPCs (and sex with the desire demon I think?), whereas the female characters get flirting and more relationship type stuff. 

It still seems a little biased in that men are studs if they get physical attention from random women, whereas the females aren't given that opportunity (with the exception of Isabella, which males also get, or Cammen, when men get Geyna). 

Edit:  It is also unfair to the men.

Tequitos wrote...
"personally I was sorta upset that most females started with some sort
of Lover, while males were made to look like womanizers."

Modifié par beggargirl, 01 octobre 2010 - 10:15 .

[Ferretinabun]

beggargirl wrote...

Tequitos wrote...

Actually thats why I really liked females in DAO universe, they weren't treated like sexual conquests. They had character, and I really liked how they handled male flirting.

I mostly agree.   Though, one of the reasons I've avoided the male characters so far is that I hear they have a few chances to get kisses from female NPCs (and sex with the desire demon I think?), whereas the female characters get flirting and more relationship type stuff. 

It still seems a little biased in that men are studs if they get physical attention from random women, whereas the females aren't given that opportunity (with the exception of Isabella, which males also get, or Cammen, when men get Geyna). 

Edit:  It is also unfair to the men.

Tequitos wrote...
"personally I was sorta upset that most females started with some sort
of Lover, while males were made to look like womanizers."

It's also interesting to see how easily Leliana and Morrign get jealous - even though it struck me as a bit out of character with Morrigan, really. Do Alistair and Zevran do the jealousy thing if romanced? Can't imagine Zevran would...

[Zy-El]

The Desire Demon goes for male or female. Then there's the guy outside of Amaranthine who greets the WC as "honey-pie".

[Viva la France]

I think the threesome with Isabella could of been handled better for females. It felt out of place how it was handled.

[Viva la France]

Ferretinabun wrote...

beggargirl wrote...

Tequitos wrote...

Actually thats why I really liked females in DAO universe, they weren't treated like sexual conquests. They had character, and I really liked how they handled male flirting.

I mostly agree.   Though, one of the reasons I've avoided the male characters so far is that I hear they have a few chances to get kisses from female NPCs (and sex with the desire demon I think?), whereas the female characters get flirting and more relationship type stuff. 

It still seems a little biased in that men are studs if they get physical attention from random women, whereas the females aren't given that opportunity (with the exception of Isabella, which males also get, or Cammen, when men get Geyna). 

Edit:  It is also unfair to the men.

Tequitos wrote...
"personally I was sorta upset that most females started with some sort
of Lover, while males were made to look like womanizers."

It's also interesting to see how easily Leliana and Morrign get jealous - even though it struck me as a bit out of character with Morrigan, really. Do Alistair and Zevran do the jealousy thing if romanced? Can't imagine Zevran would...

Actually Zev does get jealous, just not until Love.

Morrigan has a "I do not share" attitude, while Leliana wants you to act like a gentlemen.

[beggargirl]

You get one jealousy talk from both Zevran and Alistair. Zevran tries to pass it off as though he doesn't really care though.

Edit:  This happens before Zevran is in love, he makes you choose if you are romancing another character.  Once in love he does demand a comittment though.

Modifié par beggargirl, 01 octobre 2010 - 10:28 .

[Viva la France]

beggargirl wrote...

You get one jealousy talk from both Zevran and Alistair. Zevran tries to pass it off as though he doesn't really care though.

Edit:  This happens before Zevran is in love, he makes you choose if you are romancing another character.  Once in love he does demand a comittment though.

doesn't he sorta push you towards alistair?  I know Morrigan tell you to go tell Leliana you and her are done.

[Sarah1281]

Viva la France wrote...

beggargirl wrote...

You get one jealousy talk from both Zevran and Alistair. Zevran tries to pass it off as though he doesn't really care though.

Edit:  This happens before Zevran is in love, he makes you choose if you are romancing another character.  Once in love he does demand a comittment though.

doesn't he sorta push you towards alistair?  I know Morrigan tell you to go tell Leliana you and her are done.

Morrigan doesn't push you towards Leliana. She wants you to choose her and if you don't she's not pleased. Zevran expects you to choose Morrigan/Leliana/Alistair over him and so if you pay very little attention to the conversation you might become convinced that he doesn't care as much as the other LI and so do exactly what he fears is going to happen.

[Viva la France]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Viva la France wrote...

beggargirl wrote...

You get one jealousy talk from both Zevran and Alistair. Zevran tries to pass it off as though he doesn't really care though.

Edit:  This happens before Zevran is in love, he makes you choose if you are romancing another character.  Once in love he does demand a comittment though.

doesn't he sorta push you towards alistair?  I know Morrigan tell you to go tell Leliana you and her are done.

Morrigan doesn't push you towards Leliana. She wants you to choose her and if you don't she's not pleased. Zevran expects you to choose Morrigan/Leliana/Alistair over him and so if you pay very little attention to the conversation you might become convinced that he doesn't care as much as the other LI and so do exactly what he fears is going to happen.

I meant Zev not Leliana. Zev does expect you to choose the other LI over him.  Both Lel and Morrigan will demand you to choose, and if you choose Lel over Morrigan, Morri will say Leliana better suits the Warden.

[Aeowyn]

I'm female and I have one male PC who romanced Leliana. Have another one who will go for Morrigan. I haven't finished the first game yet but I have to say I was a bit disappointed by the Leliana romance. I guess part of it was because it was bugged, and the other part was that after they've had their tent time it doesn't really seem to go any further.

Before Dragon Age I used to play mostly male characters because I felt they got much more than a female one. I think they've handled it nicely for both genders here and I think that's one of the reasons why it's so popular.

[Viva la France]

Aeowyn wrote...

I'm female and I have one male PC who romanced Leliana. Have another one who will go for Morrigan. I haven't finished the first game yet but I have to say I was a bit disappointed by the Leliana romance. I guess part of it was because it was bugged, and the other part was that after they've had their tent time it doesn't really seem to go any further.
Before Dragon Age I used to play mostly male characters because I felt they got much more than a female one. I think they've handled it nicely for both genders here and I think that's one of the reasons why it's so popular.

Call me a horndog or a jerk, but remember its a video game.  I felt like if you wanted to experience the Leliana romance to the fullest you needed to do the trangle with Morrigan.

I know the m/f Lel romance is bugged, lines males were supposed to get were going to females and her mistress ending with males is bugged, she'll treat you unhardened. 

The fact you pour her with a ton of gifts and she doesn't even give anything to you upset me.  With that said though even though her romance doesnt have much after sex, I still choose her over Morri.

I like playing males for the flirting factor, my favorite part in the game is when you try charming Lel and she lets out that giggle trying to act not charmed, and asking Morrigan "How do I get on your good side."

One day I might bring myself to make another female but I like relating to my characters when they are the same gender.

For example I was glad FF13 had a female protagonist, but I wasn't able to finish the game because I couldn't relate to the character.

Modifié par Viva la France, 02 octobre 2010 - 12:17 .

[CalJones]

I actually have a problem relating to the female avatars and voices in DA:O. Thing is, whilst I'm ostensibly a straight woman with a male significant other, I am pretty butch. I've been lifting weights for over 20 years and whilst I eat far too much to have a frightening amount of definition, I do have a nice wide back and shoulders, and a chest that is more muscle than boob. I find it hard to relate to the skinny-armed, big busted avatars we're given to play with, and I find all the human female voicesets too high-pitched and screechy. The only way I can play a human female in DA is to get her into massive armour at the earliest opportunity which minimises the bust somewhat.

On the other hand, if I make a nice looking male, at least I have something good to look at on screen.