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[erik212]

And here I thought everyone played these on the pc?



I was raging rather hard when I heard about the me2 changes over me1, but bioware got it right, when they had so many more ways of getting it wrong. Also, all this talk is making me want to buy DA:O... never played it myself.

[Dsurian]

Wow...crazy how this page got onto the subject of ME2 vs. DA:O...I mean, it's a topic that has been brought up over and over again across these boards, so it would only make sense that it would eventually come into the Store on a product thread, but damn...is that horse seriously not dead yet?

@Dan & Duke: Sure i understand that capitalism reigns supreme, I'm just upset that DA:O hardly got a chance when it should have...maybe even a lil Awakening Litho love would have been nice - Vigils Keep, a collage (architect, broodmother, etc.), and more....and I'm sure that the art team is still around (seriously, its not like they all got fired by Bioware), but its denied anyways.  Besides, just about every commenter here (not even in this thread, but in the Store forum) owns DA:O (erik above being one of the few exemptions...and now he might buy it anyways) so don't say that the game was unpopular or assume that any more Litho's created would have failed - because it simply isn't true; demand is here, the DA:O Litho announcements (that never yielded product) got people excited, and we've posted so many suggestions.  And sure, the word "Dragon" might have some stigmatism surrounding it, but just try to actually explain any of your ME2 Litho's to any oblivious individual and that same stigmatism will surface: "Wait...this is just art from a role-playing video-game?"    "...but wait..look, it doesn't have the word 'dragon' in the name!! ...so its ok!" - your kidding me, right?

Let me metaphor it for you: DA:O was (as far as i know) the first macro Litho release ('macro' as in not including singular Saren).  So, lets say you buy your first gun (DA:O) and you literally shoot off three rounds (Lithos) in the dark  (unknown consumer base) and only one of them(PoP) seems to immediately hit the target (sells well) somewhere out in front of you. Would it seem reasonable to immediately throw away the gun because only 1/3 of the rounds immediately hit their target in the dark? Of course not!! - but thats what Bioware seems to have decided....they immediately threw away the first gun (DA:O), bought a new gun (ME2), and sure - it honestly is fairly more 'accurate' (selling more), which is perfectly understandable since its not dark anymore - its becoming steadily brighter (the consumers are now here, ready and waiting, offering suggestions, getting excited, etc.). /metaphor

Conclusion: The majority of us arn't art critics or even particularly art lovers (i know these Litho's are the first pieces of art I've owned) - we're just lovers of games! So how the hell does it make any sense to either not release Litho's of a game that we almost all have played and loved *or* release art for a game that we know close to nothing about?...it doesn't, hence my animosity...

Edit: DA:O Art Resolution (quote) - Okay...and the art team members are somehow incapable of expanding/polishing such images, or actually taking the time to create one or two more of their lovely concepts with the correct dimensions relating to DA:O?...Oh right, since they arn't getting paid to work DA:O anymore, that means they won't...SILLY ME! /sarcasm  And what about Awakening or any of the DLC?

Edit2: And yes, i know theres little-to-no point in tryin to use reason to fight a battle thats already been lost, so I'll shut up for now...I love the Store and everything Jedi has done for us on these forums, and truthfully I am somewhat intrigued when it comes to these DA2 Lithos - one of the concepts released does look quite serene...but if anyone can make any sense out of this scenario, I'd love to hear it - Dan? Duke? Jedi?

Modifié par Dsurian, 05 octobre 2010 - 12:12 .

[Tocquevillain]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

Tocquevillain wrote...
I think that has more to do with DAO just being a horrible game compared to ME2.

They were both inferior to the first Mass Effect, so what are we even talking about?

It's not about which was "better"...it's about which sold better.

Right, and elsewhere in this thread we had an admission that Dragon age did not sell as well as Mass Effect 2. So we KNOW there are more people interested in Mass Effect 2 than in DAO. It has nothing to do with Mass Effect, because Mass Effect did not have lithographs. So, to answer your question, we're comparing the relative quality of two Bioware titles, one of which has a bigger fanbase and which Bioware clearly polished more.

[Dan Matrix]

Theres nothing more to say then what you have said Dsurian, their reasoning is unknown aside from what Jedi said.  It must have something to do with the DA team or whomever Jedi dealt with for DA lithos.  For whatever reason there was no drive or effort it seems from the DA team to make lithos happen.  Jedi has been saying for months that DAO lithos are coming but again and again they were delayed.  Perhaps they started working on DA2 and no one was willing or thought it was worth the time to go back and revamp some DAO concepts for lithos. Or perhaps they encountered some real problems making them the correct format, etc. for lithos.  Now that their so far into DA2 development and  possibly have concepts in the proper resolution/format easily available they are simply doing DA2 for those reasons and the ones I spoke of before.

I have wondered about the DAO lithos of why they were sold out in the old store for a long time but then became available again in the new store(unless I'm remembering wrong).  Its true that POP sold out but it sold out eventually over months I believe.  They had 2 bombs and one turtle.  Even after the continued success of the ME2 lithos for whatever reason there was no real push to make more DAO lithos happen.  Too be honest I passed on POP myself, it was so vaguely connected to DAO and though it had nice colours I never felt anything from it.  It was more of a standalone fantasy piece then a DAO litho in my opinion.

The only way to know for sure would be to ask whomever Jedi dealt with for DAO lithos.  Perhaps its as simply as what Jedi said that there are few in the right format and after the fail of 2/3 lithos they decided its not worth the time.

Its sad, if they had put some real effort into it and found or created more concepts with the ME2 lithos as a guide I'm sure it would have been a successful endeavor. 

Modifié par Dan Matrix, 05 octobre 2010 - 05:15 .

[Beocat]

I'd like to direct everyone's attention back to a post started roughly a month or so ago by Jedi...



http://social.biowar...0/index/4659028



It did note that there would be some DAO and DAII merchandise coming out, but did not specifically say more DAO lithographs. However, I must say, some of the concept arts that people posted for future lithographs I would gladly have gone for. I don't believe that the team felt DAO was not worth their time, or why would Jedi have asked for ideas on it in the first place? I think that perhaps once they start selling DAII merchandise, they can't really fall back to selling concepts and ideas based on the original.



That the team actually did a mini of Saren from ME1 and paired it with Garrus from ME2 was actually quite surprising for me.

[RedSinister]

I'm happy for Dragon Age Lithos no matter what game they come from. I like to represent both Fantasy and Sci-Fi . However my only regret is that there won't be a Leliana Litho.....sigh.

[iamsaige]

I'd like to see some new DA lithos, and while I also am a fan of DA, I never got the lithos released as I just don't like them. I also like my lithos to be landscape rather than portrait, but that's just a personal thing for wall space



ME2 did better as I think it has a wider audience than DAO has, it also seems more popular. DA2 is following a similar build as ME now, so only time will tell. Plus it makes sense in wanting to promote DA2 over DAO now anyway.

[Nameless one7]

ON the 39" x 22" lithograph approximately how much will that be? I'm curious as I'm trying to plan ahead on the rest of the year spending.

[BioWareStore Jedi]

Pricing hasn't been finalized for the large Lithograph (Kirkwall) as we're working on appropriate packaging for it.



The other two Lithographs Garrett-Hawke and Blightlands will be $40.

[Nameless one7]

My guess is the Kirkwall picture is this:

dragonage.bioware.com/resources/dragonage-ii/assets/gallery/concepts/kirkwall-04-gate-o.jpg

[Dsurian]

Nameless one7 wrote...

My guess is the Kirkwall picture is this:

^^^

Meh...generally Litho's are from concept drawings - that looks like the game engine chewed on it...so i doubt it, but nice pic nevertheless...

Modifié par Dsurian, 18 octobre 2010 - 05:06 .

[Nameless one7]

Dsurian wrote...

Nameless one7 wrote...

My guess is the Kirkwall picture is this:

^^^

Meh...generally Litho's are from concept drawings - that looks like the game engine chewed on it...so i doubt it, but nice pic nevertheless...

Of the concept art for Kirkwall I thought that was the best.  Besides what's shown on the site and the level of beauty for the lithographs in person is a vast difference.

[stardazzled]

BioWareStore Jedi wrote...
The other two Lithographs Garrett-Hawke [...]

Yummie.  *fan girl of default male BioWare characters"

[Damsel of Distress]

A lithograph of the Bearded Hawke? That's one I'm gonna pass on.
I'm looking forward to the Kirwall one though. Hope it's in a similar style to the concept art in the Gallery.

[ShepardOsiris]

Jedi, have you decided on the size of the print run of the Kirkwall litho? 500 seems like a lot of copies for a special item like that. I'm not complaining if it is that many, just wondering.

[BioWareStore Jedi]

Nameless is correct on the Kirkwall Litho which looks amazing printed IMO. Print run will likely be 500 but I will confirm.



Also we just got our hands on some great DAO Lithographs, City Life, Redcliffe, and a Morrigan lithograph which we're looking into getting into the rotation.

[DarkBeing91]

This will be awesome!

[Nameless one7]

BioWareStore Jedi wrote...

Nameless is correct on the Kirkwall Litho which looks amazing printed IMO. Print run will likely be 500 but I will confirm.

Also we just got our hands on some great DAO Lithographs, City Life, Redcliffe, and a Morrigan lithograph which we're looking into getting into the rotation.

Thanks for confirming Jedi.  An Orzammar litho would be great to. (Always wanted a picture of a Dwarven city on my wall)

It's going to be one competitive day when Morrigan gets released:)

Modifié par Nameless one7, 19 octobre 2010 - 04:59 .

[Dsurian]

BioWareStore Jedi wrote...
Also we just got our hands on some great DAO Lithographs, City Life, Redcliffe, and a Morrigan lithograph which we're looking into getting into the rotation.

Thank the Maker...

[ShepardOsiris]

I approve +312 for Morrigan litho. Any chance of that being a extra large framed edition too?

[RedSinister]

Dsurian wrote...

BioWareStore Jedi wrote...
Also we just got our hands on some great DAO Lithographs, City Life, Redcliffe, and a Morrigan lithograph which we're looking into getting into the rotation.

Thank the Maker...

I second that..... still holding out hope for Leliana. 

[iamsaige]

That Kirkwall image looks so nice... and a Morrigan litho. Well that's going to sell well I would think.

[killbot92]

Morrigan litho sounds great. The second poster down on here would make a good one...

http://dragonage.bio...allery/posters/

[BioWareStore Jedi]

That's the one.

[stardazzled]

strong déjà-vu effect... the one I dreamt about...