StingingVelvet wrote...
triggerhappy456 wrote...
In a game like this I never really care about the graphics much
That's odd to me because an immersive RPG is exactly the kind of game where I think graphics matter most.
Not most, more like equal amount than other stuff, sound effects, voices, gameplay and so on. It all has to go over sertain limits. Yes, people can settle when something is good enough to do the job well, but when every aspect is really good, it feels better. What I have seen about DA2 I would say this, quality is about okey, but because my own taste of graphics is what it is, the style of DA2 graphics isn't for me. I would like more "realistic" middle age fantasy style than this Japanese fantasy anime style.StingingVelvet wrote...
triggerhappy456 wrote...
In a game like this I never really care about the graphics much
That's odd to me because an immersive RPG is exactly the kind of game where I think graphics matter most.
Modifié par Lumikki, 03 octobre 2010 - 04:58 .
Mike Laidlaw wrote...
It's a balancing act, though. If we overload on texture memory or really crazy shaders, we can't support crowds of people and still maintain our framerate. So, you can lose some immersion only to gain a different kind of immersion.
Overall, though, your question seems to be "Will this look better than Origins." My personal, and obviously biased response, is "hell yes." We'll be releasing some more screens from Kirkwall in the near future that I think will prove the point. Or maybe not. I never really know what's key to the hardcore graphics folks. My thing (insofar as it is a thing at all, I'm not Art Director for a reason), is that I would like it to look consistent. Origins featured a few too many instances of really high-fidelity characters standing next to non-high fidelity objects.
Lumikki wrote...
Not most, more like equal amount than other stuff, sound effects, voices, gameplay and so on. It all has to go over sertain limits. Yes, people can settle when something is good enough to do the job well, but when every aspect is really good, it feels better. What I have seen about DA2 I would say this, quality is about okey, but because my own taste of graphics is what it is, the style of DA2 graphics isn't for me. I would like more "realistic" middle age fantasy style than this Japanese fantasy anime style.StingingVelvet wrote...
triggerhappy456 wrote...
In a game like this I never really care about the graphics much
That's odd to me because an immersive RPG is exactly the kind of game where I think graphics matter most.
Mike Laidlaw wrote...
It's a balancing act, though. If we overload on texture memory or really crazy shaders, we can't support crowds of people and still maintain our framerate. So, you can lose some immersion only to gain a different kind of immersion.
Overall, though, your question seems to be "Will this look better than Origins." My personal, and obviously biased response, is "hell yes." We'll be releasing some more screens from Kirkwall in the near future that I think will prove the point. Or maybe not. I never really know what's key to the hardcore graphics folks. My thing (insofar as it is a thing at all, I'm not Art Director for a reason), is that I would like it to look consistent. Origins featured a few too many instances of really high-fidelity characters standing next to non-high fidelity objects.
Modifié par Burdokva, 03 octobre 2010 - 06:52 .
Burdokva wrote...
I hope you've worked on lighting for DAII. And I hope this post has been somewhat helpful.
Burdokva wrote...
Allow me to comment on these two points. I've played games since they were all 2d and 3d 800x640 was a fabled dream for NASA computers. Graphics are not essential, but they're a hell of an immersion tool. And as a previous poster said, I also think that it's RPGs that benefit (or suffer) the most from the quality of their graphics, right next to simulators. Shooters, fighting and sports games are fast paced and, marketing glory aside, few people notice the graphics when engulfed by high-speed action. I enjoy the old text based 2d isometric RPGs, but nothing sells a sweeping, epic scenery and such as quality graphics.
Now, random chatter aside, you're right about consistency, and the biggest problem with it is the head/body texturing, both in Mass Effect and Dragon Age. I know you're two different teams, but both franchises suffer from it (admittedly, and somewhat surprisingly, Mass Effect more so in my opinion). I hate seeing an awesome high-res texture and beautifully modeled and animated character's face, only for the camera to move and right below it a horribly blurry texture of clothing, armor, jewelry, whatever. It's really irritating, especially in close ups.
Second, what I find most important about graphics after overall texture consistency (I can live with lower resolution textures, but at least they should be uniformly scaled) is lighting/shaders. Origins was a bit... wild, in this regard. Some scenes look great, moody, atmospheric, yet others immediately after are just "meh". For example (concerning lighting) I really dislike the Deep Roads. I've been in caves, they're dark, high-contrast, creepy places; the Deep Roads weren't. There was also something off about the lighting in the temple where Andraste's cult resided, the one in the mountains. Scenes next to fire-pits or campfires looked great, though... like the Dark Ritual, or any random conversation next to the campfire with Leliana or Alistair.
I hope you've worked on lighting for DAII. And I hope this post has been somewhat helpful.
PS. Purely subjective opinion, but realism in graphics trumps all - realistically proportioned swords and armor rule!
Andreas Papathanasis wrote...
We're not trying to convince anyone of anything, it's perfectly valid to criticize released screenshots and we welcome such feedback. However at the same time I'd advise you to also be patient and take a look at the final version of the game before dismissing it as looking inferior to other titles on the same platforms, especially titles that have already been released.
Andreas Papathanasis wrote...
The lighting engine on Dragon Age 2 has been a major focus of attention and has had already substantial improvements over the old Origins engine. This includes both baked lighting for environments and dynamic lighting for characters, effects etc. I'm sure we'll be talking more about this and other technical improvements, and give out more specific details in the months ahead.
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simfamSP wrote...
Look at Planescape Torment, or BG I and II...they have graphics that would make the eyes bleed of any COD heretic. But Story wise, they can kick Even Chuck Norris's ass.
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slimgrin wrote...
simfamSP wrote...
Look at Planescape Torment, or BG I and II...they have graphics that would make the eyes bleed of any COD heretic. But Story wise, they can kick Even Chuck Norris's ass.
I just bought Planescape. The story better be legendary because animations and graphics are outright atrocious, even for the time it was released. These are video games after all. Gameplay can't be ignored.
From what I have seen, I have little concern for the graphics quality of DA2, but I have to agree with others who say the Darkspawn look curiously retro, like out of he-man or something.
StingingVelvet wrote...
triggerhappy456 wrote...
In a game like this I never really care about the graphics much
That's odd to me because an immersive RPG is exactly the kind of game where I think graphics matter most.
Mike Laidlaw wrote...
StingingVelvet wrote...
triggerhappy456 wrote...
In a game like this I never really care about the graphics much
That's odd to me because an immersive RPG is exactly the kind of game where I think graphics matter most.
It's a balancing act, though. If we overload on texture memory or really crazy shaders, we can't support crowds of people and still maintain our framerate. So, you can lose some immersion only to gain a different kind of immersion.
Overall, though, your question seems to be "Will this look better than Origins." My personal, and obviously biased response, is "hell yes." We'll be releasing some more screens from Kirkwall in the near future that I think will prove the point. Or maybe not. I never really know what's key to the hardcore graphics folks. My thing (insofar as it is a thing at all, I'm not Art Director for a reason), is that I would like it to look consistent. Origins featured a few too many instances of really high-fidelity characters standing next to non-high fidelity objects.
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Mike Laidlaw wrote...
StingingVelvet wrote...
triggerhappy456 wrote...
In a game like this I never really care about the graphics much
That's odd to me because an immersive RPG is exactly the kind of game where I think graphics matter most.
It's a balancing act, though. If we overload on texture memory or really crazy shaders, we can't support crowds of people and still maintain our framerate. So, you can lose some immersion only to gain a different kind of immersion.
Overall, though, your question seems to be "Will this look better than Origins." My personal, and obviously biased response, is "hell yes." We'll be releasing some more screens from Kirkwall in the near future that I think will prove the point. Or maybe not. I never really know what's key to the hardcore graphics folks. My thing (insofar as it is a thing at all, I'm not Art Director for a reason), is that I would like it to look consistent. Origins featured a few too many instances of really high-fidelity characters standing next to non-high fidelity objects.
Brockololly wrote...
I think the thing people overlook too is that taking BG2 as an example, for its time it was a good looking game. And I'd say that the environments still look quite nice there.
Skellimancer wrote...
Pleeeaaaseeeee make sure there is no floating scenery this time.
Nothing worse than exploring the forests of DA:O and seeing floating trees.
krogen117 wrote...
Fix those god awful darkspawn designs and i am happy. does anybody else think they look like they are from the ps1 generation?
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