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[Mars Nova]

Just something I've wondered on occassion, if I'm the only player who killed the Rachni queen but  is opposed to the genophage.  I know this might make seem like a hypocrite, but hear me out and let me explain my reasoning.

The rachni were and are still very much an enigma.  Little is known about them, other than what is known from the Rachni Wars and the experience on Noveria.  At the time of ME1 all you knew for certain was that they had once been the greatest threat to ever face galactic civilization.  Keep in mind, it was only implied then that they had been indoctrinated.  Essentially, they were an unkown quantity that I didn't need or want.  I don't know about you, but when I'm trying to save the galaxy from sentient machines that wipe out organic life every 50,000 years, I don't want to have to also be worrying about a race of telepathic,  fast-breeding, acid spitting insects that may or may not have been their servants at one point.

As for the Krogan, I think Modin said it best.  They were lifted to a level of advancement they simply were not ready for yet, for the sake of being used as a weapon against the Rachni.  They were the only reason the Rachni Wars weren't a defeat for the Citadel races, and both they and the Council knew it.  Is it any wonder they decided they could just take whatever they wanted?  The Council was as much to blame for the Krogan Rebellions as the Krogan themselves.  So, quick recap: the salarians give advanced weapons and tech to the krogan, training them for the sole purpose of using as soldiers, without any thought for long-term consequences.  Then, when it blows up in their face, they develop a biological weapon and their new friends the turians do the rest.

[Barquiel]

Well, I saved the queen but destroyed the cure^_^

The queen has done nothing wrong and wants to live in peace (and it seems that the rachni were indoctrinated during the war).
The krogan on the other hand...they'll have the same problem again in some years (= second krogan rebellion). I think Wrex's reforms are better for the krogan.

[Whatever42]

I saved the Rachni - genocide is a terrible thing and this was a new individual, who despite having racial memories, I couldn't hold responsible for a war a 1000 years before she was hatched.

I destroyed the genophage cure because the only alternative (at this time) is genocide and genocide is a horrible thing, especially since this situation is not the fault of the krogan.

So I feel I'm perfectly consistant in my approach.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 01 octobre 2010 - 11:03 .

[smudboy]

Keep everything. Destroy nothing.

[MrnDvlDg161]

In my own view, something that was dead many years ago and brought back by hack scientists trying to use them for terrible purposes isn't exactly the best way for the species to return --- it ended in blood shed and it will begin again in blood shed.



I find the question just as much as people did when we were introduced to Jurassic Park. Why would I bring back the dinosaurs? Well I wouldn't and its obvious why ... in this case, you really don't know whether the Arachnai Queen is going to be behave like some friend of Shepards. I too would be singing the song and dance someone wanted to hear if they had the power to dissolve me in acid. --- who wouldn't? So I told them to say dead.



As far as the Geno-phage, I kept it as well --- you never know whether you'll need it or not as Shepard and Morden agreed.

[Whatever42]

Well, it wasn't exactly jurassic park. The egg naturally survived. They didn't bio-engineer it, I don't think.

[MrnDvlDg161]

Not to the T --- but its down the same road in a sense.



Somethings shouldn't be brought back just like the time line shouldn't be fixed. You never know why the event occurred and what transpired afterward... it would be like attempting to do what the Salarians did with the Genophange --- attempting to find the crystal ball of cause and effect and then making a choice about the future of another race or being.

[MrnDvlDg161]

The ME universe needs the --- oh hell --- I forgot what its called but in star trek they had a guideline for civilizations you would come in contact with and to not interfere with their normal progression and evolution.

[La Coka Slaughterhouse]

I kill the Rachni all the time, every time. Every Rachni you see in ME 1 attacks you, now I know the queen tells you some lolexcuse as to why they do. But I mean can you really trust a bug?

[Gibb_Shepard]

I saved the rachni queen but agree with the genophage.

[Xilizhra]

Prime Directive. But really, the only rule should be to not do it stupidly; uplifting the krogan was a mistake because the krogan are a culuturally primitive race of blood knights.

[MrnDvlDg161]

Their wookies to some extent. Just lizard ones.

[Xilizhra]

Wookies are much less culturally primitive.

[Exile Isan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Wookies are much less culturally primitive.

Indeed, the wookiees are highly cultured. They just have bad tempers sometimes.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

I killed the Queen because the Rachni tried to wipe out the entire Galaxy and the only thing I know implying she is peaceful is what she says, and she sounds like the sort to lie.

As for genophage cure, If I could go back and change it I would but I destroyed it. I'm not sure I want the Clan to become the Empire...

[wizardryforever]

Something worth pointing out here is that Maelon's data was not advanced enough to be an actual cure. Years of research was needed before it was viable. So saving the data does not mean the genophage is cured, just that it will be easier if it is to be cured.



For the record, I saved the queen and the data. You never know when it could be useful, you know?

[Rockworm503]

well for my renegade playthrough I killed the Rachni queen purely out of hatred for aliens.

But over the course of the games I grow to love one of them (LIara) and when it came to the genophage I think Shepard said it best "better to have it and not need it."

my renegade may not be the nicest person but he has come to respect the Krogon

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I spared the Queen and I kept the genophage data. The Rachni were forced into the war, there specie shouldn't be destroyed because of what the Reapers did. As for the genophage data I was using a save file where Wrex survived and became the leader of Clan Urgnot and is now trying to unify the Krogan.



A unified Krogan under Wrex could be trusted not to start a new rebelion, Mordin said so himself that a unified Krogan would be enough to stabilize them and make the Genophage no longer needed.

[AdamNW]

Killed the Rachni, let Mordin do whatever the hell he wanted with the Genophage cure (killing Maelon to avoid it being reconstructed if Mordin does destroy it).

There's no reason that the two should have anything to do with each other in the first place though, so this thread should exist :X

Modifié par AdamNW, 02 octobre 2010 - 12:53 .

[Count Viceroy]

AdamNW wrote...

Killed the Rachni, let Mordin do whatever the hell he wanted with the Genophage cure (killing Maelon to avoid it being reconstructed if Mordin does destroy it).

There's no reason that the two should have anything to do with each other in the first place though, so this thread should exist :X

They both touch on the subject of genocide, so I'd say they do.

AdamNW wrote...

Killed the Rachni, let Mordin do whatever
the hell he wanted with the Genophage cure (killing Maelon to avoid it
being reconstructed if Mordin does destroy it).

There's no reason
that the two should have anything to do with each other in the first
place though, so this thread should exist :X

They both touch on the subject of genocide, so I'd say they do.

Personally, I don't think the rachni can be trusted. regardless of if they were indoctrinated or not, that information was not available at the time either. Might as well keep the genophage data as far as I'm concerned. It was a long way from a cure and while I wouldn't necessarily use the cure, it's a nice card to have when dealing with krogan.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 02 octobre 2010 - 01:25 .

[Aedan_Cousland]

Although it wasn't said outright, it was strongly hinted at in ME1 that the cause of the Rachni Wars was Reaper indoctrination. If the Rachni had been indocrtinated the Rachni Queen deserves to be spared.

Perhaps Sovereign planned on destroying civilization a few centuries earlier, but when the Rachni lost he was forced to bide his time and wait for another oppurtunity. (Saren)

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 02 octobre 2010 - 01:25 .

[Count Viceroy]

The queen will say anything to stay alive in that situation though, anyone would.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Count Viceroy wrote...

The queen will say anything to stay alive in that situation though, anyone would.

Perhaps. But what is more likely? That Bioware would introduce the line about a tone from space forcing the Rachni to resonate with it's own  'sour yellow note,' as a hint that the Rachni had been indocrtinated, or the line itself is simply a lie with no meaning beyond a plea for mercy? The first option is an interesting twist, and it makes for better storytelling

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[AdamNW]

Count Viceroy
They both touch on the subject of genocide, so I'd say they do.

That's like asking "Anyone else romance Liara but keep Ashley alive?" on the basis that they are both Male LI's.

Modifié par AdamNW, 02 octobre 2010 - 02:02 .

[MrnDvlDg161]

Also note that if you did let the Arachni Queen go... the rate of how they multiply is very excellerated --- beacuse their more or less bugs --- and bugs mate/replicate like steroids. Who is to say at some point that if indeed the Queen made a pact with you before, their vast numbers and what they would need to survive/populate may be such that there wouldn't be any choice but to attempt to be a scourge against the rest of the galaxy. When I saw all those red blips on the screen and how easily it was for them to run wild and violent --- I considered them like the Aliens --- or the Xenomorphs in Aliens. ( Errr... Aliens the Trilogy )