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[Burdokva]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Yup, that wonderful, magical element. 

That doesn't explain why there wasn't 1500 kph winds ripping them off the platform. Or why the gravity didn't crush them instantly. Again, armour would have done nothing to save them.

And the collector ship and station probably had atmosphere. Both had strong gravity, which meant that they both could have held an atmosphere. Which makes sense since collectors need to breathe and those wings are probably flapping around for a reason.

Sorry for the double post, but - barriers blocking the wind is plausible. Mass effect fields affect gravity and also block high-speed particles - wind gusts are high-speed molecules of whatever gas the brown dwarf is comprised of. Just like they block the kinetic impact weapons. Okay, fine for winds/gravity.

Mass Effect kinetic barriers don't block heat. At least not to the extent of dropping ~1000 kelvin to bearable temperatures. While armors can clearly, at least for a short duration, black heat based weapons, like the collector particle beams, grenades, flames etc.

[crimzontearz]

I love how Bioware does not even attempt to answer questions regarding these decisions

[Elyvern]

Armour along with inventory got "streamlined" away in a case of going from "too much" to "nothing". Given that, they didn't have to answer any questions, even if it's really ridiculous. So now, we're going to have to pay for alt appearance packs to solve the problem, but by god, they really need to bring back seperate wear on the Normandy and combat wear like they did for ME1 again.

[AlexMBrennan]

Well, ME1 armour is a bit silly too - Garrus wears blue armour on the Normandy, changes to camo on Virmire, changes back when you get to the camp, and changes once more when you attack the base.
I think they wanted to avoid the squad wearing uniform uniforms (Liara, Ash, femShep in matching Phoenix armour) and went a little bit too far. [Edit: Thus, only the token turian and token krogan squad mate get armour (and Zaeed)]
Judging from Liara's SB hard-suit/lab-coat hybrid we may be getting unique non-silly armour in ME3.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 02 octobre 2010 - 12:43 .

[DanaScu]

InvaderErl wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

It does not matter. Liara is a biotic and she wears armour. I don't see her running around in high heels, sexual armour, nipple straps or anything. The whole "she is a biotic" excuse for Samara, Miri and Jack is non valid since Liara, who is also a biotic, but wears proper armour.

Maybe in ME3, BW will let squadmates have proper armour this time, not wear things that break immersion.

Again the commandos don't wear armor. I don't get what point you're trying to prove by bringing up Liara since I can bring up the commandos/Benezia. They don't wear armor, therefore it is obviously possible to rely on your kinetic barriers rather than the heavier armor (which is supposed to be the entire point of Asari commandos).

That being said, I wasn't in love with Miranda or Samara's outfits (just as I didn't like Benezia's). I would have definitely been okay with some kind of variation on Miranda's catsuit that was more conservative and that she and Samara loose the heels.

I am more lenient in Jack's case because A. her biotics are insanely overpowered hence it makes sense she'd rely totally on that and B. it fits her character.  I honestly forgot she was nearly nude from the waist up after awhile so I think they more or less did okay in that regard, which I found surprising because I HATED her outfit when I first saw it.

Benezia didn't. The commandos do wear armor. Doesn't look bulky like the stuff Shepard and company wear in ME, but its armor. You can see the straps/pieces on Shiala as well.

http://masseffect.wi...ariCommando.png
http://masseffect.wi...e:Shiala_02.jpg

[Elyvern]

I think Garrus actually emerged free of this stigma in ME2 precisely because there wasn't casual wear designed for Turians in ME1. And the two aren't related anyway. in ME1, the case of generic uniforms could have been done away with more design and rendering work.

In ME2 there is already a perfect way to implement normal wear and combat armour because prior to every combat mission, you get to go to the team page to pick who you want to bring along. So for the sake of "character branding" which was the reason why Jack's in a brastrap, Miranda's in her cat suit, you could still have them wear those even in hub worlds and only swap to more practical wear when you go on missions.

[DanaScu]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Well, ME1 armour is a bit silly too - Garrus wears blue armour on the Normandy, changes to camo on Virmire, changes back when you get to the camp, and changes once more when you attack the base.
I think they wanted to avoid the squad wearing uniform uniforms (Liara, Ash, femShep in matching Phoenix armour) and went a little bit too far. [Edit: Thus, only the token turian and token krogan squad mate get armour (and Zaeed)]
Judging from Liara's SB hard-suit/lab-coat hybrid we may be getting unique non-silly armour in ME3.

The omnipotent cut-scene rules over all. class restrictions and armor are powerless against it.

I had Shepards that couldn't use certain weapons in ME. Then the cut-scene would start and my adept would be using an assault rifle. Of course, before the cut-scene she was using a pistol, but that doesn't matter to the power of the cut-scene. I had the entire team in colossus armor, but on Virmire both Kaidan and Ash went back to their original armor for the cut-scenes. Armor that I sold a few dozen missions back, actually. When they had time to go find it and buy it back I have no idea.

I was rather happy to see Liara wasn't in "street clothes" after she left her office. Could have used a helmet, but I'm happy she wasn't in a dress. Until they work out their helmet issues, not having one might be less jarring; watching Shepard drink while wearing a helmet with a full face-plate was a face-palm moment....

[crimzontearz]

Uh...commandos do wear armor, you can see it up close if you use it on your femshep through modding. Benezia obviously was not expecting to fight directly.



As for answering questions, yes bioware does not owe it to us but I would have thought they had the testicular fortitude to admitt they royally screwed the pooch and explain their thought process. I wonder if any on the ME2 team popped up when they made this decision and said "uhhhh guys? Anyone else thinking going to battle surrounded by hostile environments in a catsuit or worse a bra strap looks idiotic?"

[Whereto]

All I hope for is me3 to have casual wear and combat wear.

[mopotter]

Saibh wrote...

I appreciated that the characters of ME2 wore their own outfits, I really did. But, logically? Any character not wearing a hardsuit or exposing any sort of flesh does not make sense in quite a few contexts.

Maybe ME3 could have unique casual clothes and armor. That would be ideal, I think.

This was my main grip about ME2.  I like that they have clothing instead of armor on the ship, and I like that Shepard as more than one outfit, even if they are sort of bla.  

I didn't mind their wardrobe when we were on one of the city missions, in fact I would have liked Shepard to be more casual in a city.  Shepard could still take care of any problems with the heavy pistol and his team, but really - your on a planet that may have acid in the air and your wearing that?  Did you have some kind of see through body armor made for you? 

I hope they fix this in ME3.  Armor is a good thing in some situations.  

[Archontor]

crimzontearz wrote...

Uh...commandos do wear armor, you can see it up close if you use it on your femshep through modding. Benezia obviously was not expecting to fight directly.

As for answering questions, yes bioware does not owe it to us but I would have thought they had the testicular fortitude to admitt they royally screwed the pooch and explain their thought process. I wonder if any on the ME2 team popped up when they made this decision and said "uhhhh guys? Anyone else thinking going to battle surrounded by hostile environments in a catsuit or worse a bra strap looks idiotic?"

wait you mean bioware has never given an answer for this whole thing

[crimzontearz]

No, nothing more than hints. And often they dip into sarcasm or anger when someone calls them on it (not always but often is the subject is touchy).

[Mox Ruuga]

crimzontearz wrote...

No, nothing more than hints. And often they dip into sarcasm or anger when someone calls them on it (not always but often is the subject is touchy).

I'm actually pretty hopeful that this is one thing they'll fix for ME3.

On the whole, the change into super hero costumes from sensible armors of ME1 wasn't that popular, and was criticised well before the game was launched. Even when people only suspected the truth.

Like someone already posted, Liara gets to wear light lab coat/armor, kinda similar to what Mordin has. They didn't put her in heels and cleavage baring catsuit, thank goodness! Perhaps they'll give something to every squaddie in ME3, that looks at least somewhat fit for a battlefield.

[Saibh]

Skyblade012 wrote...

Saibh wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

MuteSpeech wrote...

You never noticed how Jack was simply wearing a strap of leather on her chest? How she even survived most missions on frigid worlds is beyond me.

I think the consensus of the general forum is that they usually give her a pass because she's crazy to begin with and she's pretty much a spycho-ish biotic. You can easily grab one of those  " well her biotic powers keep her warm"  type of excuses and squeeze through for a save.

Biotic powers also work for you when you're unconscious?  Also, Mordin. Maybe using his latent cut biotic powers.

Mordin has tech powers.  Incinerate, Cryo Blast.  He's prepared for every climate.

Unconscious tech powers? I can't remember what they all look like with breathers on, but Grunt, Zaeed, Mordin, Thane, Jack, Samara/Morinth, Miranda and perhaps Kasumi if she doesn't have something that covers her entire head are all exposing skin. Only Garrus, Jacob, Tali, and Legion do not. I don't know if some of them have armor that actually goes to cover their body if they step outside, but I know some of them don't.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

My problem with the whole "relying on Kinetic shields/Biotic barries for protection against the enviorment" excuse is simply this.

What if you in combat, and you opponents manage to destroy your shield? What then? If you had armor you would still have some protection against bullets and whatever hazards there might be where you are fighting.

But anyway. I just hope Bioware will return to ME1's approach to armor on squadmembers.

[Anacronian Stryx]

The other thing about the battle wear is that it makes Shepard look really weak, Coz he/she does need the armor to survive.

[JaegerBane]

Randy1083 wrote...
I just don't understand why BioWare took the time to think this through in ME1 but then completely ignored it in ME2. The solution to this issue is so simple. It's too late for ME2, but I'd like to see a system similar to ME1 return in ME3. Keep custom casual outfits for the characters when they're on the ship, but put them in custom (and sensible) armor when they're on missions. Shepard already does this, so why can't they?

This. There's a lot of things that don't really make sense in ME2 compared to ME1, where virtually everything was well-thought out and had it's own internal logic.

I'm leaning towards the Biotic barrier idea for biotics instead of armour, as the Asari Commandos had this and it make sense with their character. So I'm willing to let Miranda, Jacob and Jack go (though I always use Jacks alternate appearence from the DLC except for a few missions, as it looks a lot more practical). But as has been said, it doesn't really explain why they didn't use something like those breath masks they had in Babylon 5 - I would assume that while their barriers can hold back noxious gases and other hazards, it can't really provide a breathable atmosphere.

As for skin-tight suits in vacuum - to be honest, I see no problem with this. Obviously if you're being shot at then it's an issue, but that's what you have barriers for. In terms of protection from Vacuum it's not without precedent - just look at the early designs for space suits used in real life.

[Sparda Stonerule]

There was only one time you were ever in an almost true Vacuum. The beginning of the bloody game when going for Joker. You notice how he walked slower. I don't know why people say biotics won't work to protect you in a vacuum when Mass Effect fields protect entire ships and give them their own gravity field. Eezo is used in both cases so theoretically speaking any biotic field worth anything could protect you from most hazards baring complete and total exposure to a vacuum.

I don't particularly like all the outfits but complaining about the aesthetics is borderline silly. Plenty of Asari wear revealing clothes in combat, and saying that Samara's outfit is makes her hard to take seriously is just strange. That's assuming that she cares if anyone is looking at her or not. There's no reason for her to actually cover herself when talking to people. I just don't really understand the notion that "This is the future so everyone has to wear armor". Especially given the fact you don't know the attributes of everyones outfits. For all we know their outfits may be made of durable or uncommon material that would be more than adequate at defending their bodies.

Sure it requires some suspension of disbelief, both games had a large dose of rolling with the "well it's the future" idea. Besides I didn't see anyone complaining about Garrus's light armor from the first game. You know where you could take him to planets that would kill you if you stayed out in the open too long. Yet he has this.



I mean not that I care since I just assumed somehow his face was protected. I'm just bringing this up because people are bashing ME 2, and I think someone even figured this would be a good time to bash shooter fans... for some reason. Point being if you want to criticize ME 2 you have to look at the whole series with a sharp eye and realize that many things require suspension of disbelief. Like there being exactly one piece of space debris you can salvage on every single planet you can land on in ME. Oh and how there is never any water, or lakes present on any planet. You know details. I'm just saying you're arguing over details and realism. It's the future, have fun with it. Science Fiction is always a bit more fun when you don't try to point out everything that may be unrealistic.

Modifié par Sparda Stonerule, 02 octobre 2010 - 02:59 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

AFAIK. Garrus will wear that helmet on his light armor when he isn't in any hazardous enviorment. Should he be in something hazardous, he will wear a breather mask also.

[Mudzr]

I don't. In ME1 all the crew had the same boring armour. ME2 gave us actual unique armour designs for each class. Sure I hope that ME3 will give us a selection of armours, some less revealing than others, but bringing it back to ME1 level would really be a step backward, and besides, I am not going to go back to micromanaging my squad again.

Yes, the armour could really be changed in ME3, but I would prefer suspension of disbelief to just plain annoying and boiring IMO. Honestly though, it didn't bother me too much, if anything, it just tied futher to the 80's sci fi it was based on.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Mudzr wrote...

I don't. In ME1 all the crew had the same boring armour. ME2 gave us actual unique armour designs for each class. Sure I hope that ME3 will give us a selection of armours, some less revealing than others, but bringing it back to ME1 level would really be a step backward, and besides, I am not going to go back to micromanaging my squad again.
Yes, the armour could really be changed in ME3, but I would prefer suspension of disbelief to just plain annoying and boiring IMO. Honestly though, it didn't bother me too much, if anything, it just tied futher to the 80's sci fi it was based on.

I'm glad that ME2 gave all characters their own individual armor to give them their own personal identity, so to speak. What I don't like is how that "armor" is nothing more than fancy clothes when they should be wearing practical combat armor.

[Sparda Stonerule]

Lizardviking wrote...

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

AFAIK. Garrus will wear that helmet on his light armor when he isn't in any hazardous enviorment. Should he be in something hazardous, he will wear a breather mask also.

Sure, he wears a breather but I do recall it doesn't cover his entire face. Like I said. Some suspension of disbelief required for Science Fiction. That's all I'm saying.

Modifié par Sparda Stonerule, 02 octobre 2010 - 03:05 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

AFAIK. Garrus will wear that helmet on his light armor when he isn't in any hazardous enviorment. Should he be in something hazardous, he will wear a breather mask also.

Sure, he wears a breather but I do recall it doesn't cover his entire face. Like I said. Some suspension of disbelief required for Science Fiction. That's all I'm saying.

I'm pretty sure it does cover his entire face. I could go back to ME1 and check it out, but i'm to lazy for that!

[Sparda Stonerule]

Lizardviking wrote...

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

AFAIK. Garrus will wear that helmet on his light armor when he isn't in any hazardous enviorment. Should he be in something hazardous, he will wear a breather mask also.

Sure, he wears a breather but I do recall it doesn't cover his entire face. Like I said. Some suspension of disbelief required for Science Fiction. That's all I'm saying.

I'm pretty sure it does cover his entire face. I could go back to ME1 and check it out, but i'm to lazy for that!

Well that's handy. Being lazy makes it much easier to enjoy Science Fiction. Honestly we could sit here all day and say "this and that is implausible" for both games. I just choose to enjoy them for what they both are. TL:DR it's the future, eezo solves everything, the Reapers left behind advanced tech that we don't understand, a Salarian did it.