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[Sparda Stonerule]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

My honest opinion is that everyone even enticing the thought of rule of cool in a medium that is not supposed to be completely crazy should get shot in th very spot he is standing. I like a bit rule of cool in things like some nice shonen manga or over-the-top movies, but everything else is a no-go.

Funny thing is I don't even see the battle wear as cool. Who would? I just find it less boring than the ME 1 stuff. Especially if you consider that these are supposed to be the best fighters out there, so they already have their own battle gear that works for them. So we don't have to go to a store and buy armor for them. But who even considers things like that. Taking things like that into consideration is needless and just causes people to have less fun with things that should be entertaining them. Honestly I could point to a few major points in most games or movies where things don't make sense. Most movies, books, and games require some amount of suspension of disbelief. I used to pick apart the science behind everything in the Science Fiction medium until I realized it was a lot more fun to roll with the crazy logic behind all of it. 

[Saibh]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

AFAIK. Garrus will wear that helmet on his light armor when he isn't in any hazardous enviorment. Should he be in something hazardous, he will wear a breather mask also.

Sure, he wears a breather but I do recall it doesn't cover his entire face. Like I said. Some suspension of disbelief required for Science Fiction. That's all I'm saying.

I'm pretty sure it does cover his entire face. I could go back to ME1 and check it out, but i'm to lazy for that!

Well that's handy. Being lazy makes it much easier to enjoy Science Fiction. Honestly we could sit here all day and say "this and that is implausible" for both games. I just choose to enjoy them for what they both are. TL:DR it's the future, eezo solves everything, the Reapers left behind advanced tech that we don't understand, a Salarian did it.

I'm very forgiving when it comes to willing suspension of disbelief, I am. It's not that the clothes being worn are too skimpy, or look silly, or don't look plausible in combat--that I don't care about. It's when Jack runs around on the Fleet with only a strap on, or Samara running around in toxic environments, or any number of characters exposing themselves to freezing and near-vacuum atmospheres with their skin exposed.

This is ridiculous. This is ridiculous. I think that seperate casual and combat clothes are in order, I do.

[Elyvern]

Sometimes, these things cannot be logically explain, and it all boils down to gut feelings. Of course there are physics and realism discrepancies throughout both games, but some are acceptable, but some obviously crosses a psychological line with most players. And it does seem that the armour issue is one of those things that crosses that line.

[Sparda Stonerule]

I never said I don't understand where you guys are coming from. I honestly get it. I just think it's honestly kind of silly to be complaining about the Science of it. Requesting more sensible outfits is all fine and dandy with me. I just have to chuckle when people say slightly implausible science is a sign that they are catering to shooters, or use it as a spring board to rag on ME 2 as a whole. So to be clear I do actually support more sensible attire for ME 3. That doesn't mean I have any real problem with the ME and ME 2 stuff. I would just like less generic stuff for ME 3 while still being rather unique to each character. But I still maintain that complaining about Science in Science Fiction is a tad silly since the word fiction means that it's Science is not the same as ours. Just saying.

Modifié par Sparda Stonerule, 02 octobre 2010 - 03:28 .

[Burdokva]

Compare each hazardous environment scene in Mass Effect 2 to the cult (and I mean this seriously, everyone of my friends who played Mass Effect loved it) scene where Shepard, in the stuck elevator in Mass Effect during the battle of the Citadel, says: "Suit up, we're going outside!".



Next when you see everyone with fully enclosed suits and helmets you realize just how dangerous and crazy this must be - but they have no choice. It builds up tension by adding immersion and realism.



Each similar scene in ME2 I can only describe with "roll eyes"...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

My honest opinion is that everyone even enticing the thought of rule of cool in a medium that is not supposed to be completely crazy should get shot in th very spot he is standing. I like a bit rule of cool in things like some nice shonen manga or over-the-top movies, but everything else is a no-go.

Funny thing is I don't even see the battle wear as cool. Who would? I just find it less boring than the ME 1 stuff. Especially if you consider that these are supposed to be the best fighters out there, so they already have their own battle gear that works for them. So we don't have to go to a store and buy armor for them. But who even considers things like that. Taking things like that into consideration is needless and just causes people to have less fun with things that should be entertaining them. Honestly I could point to a few major points in most games or movies where things don't make sense. Most movies, books, and games require some amount of suspension of disbelief. I used to pick apart the science behind everything in the Science Fiction medium until I realized it was a lot more fun to roll with the crazy logic behind all of it. 

Im used to the suspension of disbelief. It's an important thing to have if you ever want to be able to enjoy any sort of game and some films.

My problem is. in ME1 we're given a sci-fi setting that actuelly felt plauasble. ME2 however threw alot of those things out in favor of "rule of cool". Which ruins immersion. Which is quite bad since immersion is actuelly quite important.

[Purge the heathens]

We could assume that Miranda's, Jack's and Samara's forward tanks generate mass effect fields of their own (they are biotics, after all) that protect against the environment, but not against bullets.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...


Sure, he wears a breather but I do recall it doesn't cover his entire face. Like I said. Some suspension of disbelief required for Science Fiction. That's all I'm saying.

Can't believe I bothered, but I booted up ME1 just so I could get some proof!

[Sparda Stonerule]

I don't recall anything being cool. In fact I see most people here saying that utilitarian armor is cool. They even have the majority on this. I mean you all think Garrus has cool armor in ME 2 right? So this rule of cool thing is so strangely subjective that I have no idea why people bring it up. I can't speak for immersion too much since I've never been immersed in any game. I doubt I'll ever get past the controller in my hand. But as I said earlier I don't mind more "normal" combat suits. I just kind of mind when people complain about the Science in Science Fiction. I mean I know people like to look at something and understand fully how it would work. However for me I enjoy not understanding how something would work because it makes me feel like something new and interesting is afoot that I don't quite grasp. Maybe I'm just really different in that regard, who knows.

EDIT: Ack you got me. I rarely used Garrus light armor but I noticed the one time I did his whole face was exposed, and I thought that it looked silly so I changed to a Medium armor for him.

Modifié par Sparda Stonerule, 02 octobre 2010 - 03:39 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

I don't recall anything being cool. In fact I see most people here saying that utilitarian armor is cool. They even have the majority on this. I mean you all think Garrus has cool armor in ME 2 right? So this rule of cool thing is so strangely subjective that I have no idea why people bring it up. I can't speak for immersion too much since I've never been immersed in any game. I doubt I'll ever get past the controller in my hand. But as I said earlier I don't mind more "normal" combat suits. I just kind of mind when people complain about the Science in Science Fiction. I mean I know people like to look at something and understand fully how it would work. However for me I enjoy not understanding how something would work because it makes me feel like something new and interesting is afoot that I don't quite grasp. Maybe I'm just really different in that regard, who knows.

People like Garrus armor for 2 reasons.

A: It looks cool.
B: It make sense (it's armor that can be changed so it covers the entire body should the situation demand it).

If all ME2 characters wore believable combar armor with their own personal twist (to reflect their personality) on them when out on missions, I doubt there would be as many complaints on the forum.

[Sparda Stonerule]

You're right, they'd just complain about something else. I swear it's a hobby of some people around here to just complain about anything.



But I'll say it again, I support more typical and sensible armor in ME 3 just as long as they are unique. Besides the only stuff that follows the "Rule of Cool" is the DLC squad armors... which I admit I happen to like even with the visor and shades most people seem to hate. Sure I wouldn't mind not having the visor and shades, but they make me smile anytime I see Thane doing his memory lapses and the end scene of Jack's loyalty mission. It's just amusing to me. Good lord I am a strange person.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

You're right, they'd just complain about something else. I swear it's a hobby of some people around here to just complain about anything.

But I'll say it again, I support more typical and sensible armor in ME 3 just as long as they are unique. Besides the only stuff that follows the "Rule of Cool" is the DLC squad armors... which I admit I happen to like even with the visor and shades most people seem to hate. Sure I wouldn't mind not having the visor and shades, but they make me smile anytime I see Thane doing his memory lapses and the end scene of Jack's loyalty mission. It's just amusing to me. Good lord I am a strange person.

Alot of the original ME2 squadmate outfits follow the rule of cool "coughSamaraMirandaJackcough"...

But yes, I agree with you on the first part. I also want unique and personal outfits for all of the characters... But only as long as those outfits make sense, which most of the current outfits don't do.

[crimzontearz]

Gotta wonder when the new armor/appearance packs will be out....I am so nagged by this that I would not even mind paying for them

[Burdokva]

crimzontearz wrote...

Gotta wonder when the new armor/appearance packs will be out....I am so nagged by this that I would not even mind paying for them

I think that was the point when Mass Effect 2 originally shipped with its ridiculous armors... one per character, plus a retexture - sell proper equipment as DLC. 

[MrnDvlDg161]

ehh don't bother busting your brain trying to solve it. Its loose Sci-Fi folks. Loose Sci-Fi.



But in the certain instances that come out like a sore thumb is just wrong.



I didn't say that the biotic clause was a solid excuse...I just said...that...it was an excuse that will have to do lol.



The Miranda/Jacob thing is just... eech. Well Miranda's 2nd outfit is actully not half bad. Jacob's never changes so, on a quick whim, he can be shirtless and doing sit-ups at any given moment. ( Creepy). Jacob is like that old dude in Family Guy with the robe.

[AdamNW]

Kinetic Barriers.

[Frybread76]

I wouldn't mind unique combat armor as long as its sensible/logical. Maybe put Miranda and Jacob in Cerberus body armor, Jack in her own crazy punk-style armor, etc, instead of just having them run around half-naked or in clothing during battles and hostile environments.

[Iakus]

Frybread76 wrote...

I wouldn't mind unique combat armor as long as its sensible/logical. Maybe put Miranda and Jacob in Cerberus body armor, Jack in her own crazy punk-style armor, etc, instead of just having them run around half-naked or in clothing during battles and hostile environments.

I would imagine Jack being offered a suit of Cerberus armor upon being brought on board, and initially refusing it (loudly).  Miranda insisting, Shepard chining in, and Jack reluctantly agreeing.  She then personalizes it with some "creative vandalism", redesigning it to suit her own tastes.  Complete with the Cerberus logo scorched off

[crimzontearz]

AdamNW wrote...

Kinetic Barriers.

Which do not protect from hazardous conditions at all. And once they fail I hope those nipple straps of jacks can deflect bullets

[Schneidend]

Miranda and Jacob's outfits are no less skintight than the light armor from the first game. They're still made of metal-dipped polymers capable of absorbing more damage than any personal tactical armor we have in real life. Take off the rose-tinted glasses and read the codex, please.

[008Zulu]

Yeah, when they die I always say "I have idiots working for me.", I mean who needs armour when your personal shields fail ofter 2 or 3 hits... oh wait.

[Frybread76]

Schneidend wrote...

Miranda and Jacob's outfits are no less skintight than the light armor from the first game. They're still made of metal-dipped polymers capable of absorbing more damage than any personal tactical armor we have in real life. Take off the rose-tinted glasses and read the codex, please.

Their high-tech outfits mean nothing when their head and (in the case of Samara) chest are exposed and the women are wearing high heels they can trip in.

[Schneidend]

Frybread76 wrote...
Their high-tech outfits mean nothing when their head and (in the case of Samara) chest are exposed and the women are wearing high heels they can trip in.

You could go helmetless with no negative effects in the first game, too. Same thing. It's a separation of mechanics and story. All games do it.

Modifié par Schneidend, 03 octobre 2010 - 02:37 .

[DanaScu]

AdamNW wrote...

Kinetic Barriers.

Freedom's Progress; Ymir mech; rockets/machine gun. One rocket hit Shepard; wearing armor, with shields, not too much of a problem. Miranda and Jacob were both taking a nap in very short order. My Shepard took her time taking down the mech; if the hotshot Cerberus agents were "intelligent" enough to go out in spandex suits, it wasn't her problem. She also didn't bother to waste medigel on them, for much the same reason.

The other thing that makes me wonder "why" is Grunt's helmet. When did the helmet need a hinged section that moves when the wearer talks? You can see it if you take Grunt on the Collector ship, when you see the pile of dead bodies.

[Frybread76]

Schneidend wrote...

Frybread76 wrote...
Their high-tech outfits mean nothing when their head and (in the case of Samara) chest are exposed and the women are wearing high heels they can trip in.

You could go helmetless with no negative effects in the first game, too. Same thing. It's a separation of mechanics and story. All games do it.

You could go helmet-less in ME1 except in areas that had a low or hazardous environment (like Noveria), then ME1 forced your characters to wear helmets, unlike ME2 with their face masks for Jacob, Miranda, Samara, etc.

And, again, wearing high-heeled shoes in combat is just stupid, IMO.