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[Schneidend]

Frybread76 wrote...

I wouldn't mind unique combat armor as long as its sensible/logical. Maybe put Miranda and Jacob in Cerberus body armor, Jack in her own crazy punk-style armor, etc, instead of just having them run around half-naked or in clothing during battles and hostile environments.

I'd totally agree with this, as well. Believe me, I'd much prefer Jack wear armor, too. I wanted all the squadmates to share Shepard's pool of custom armor pieces, but having each of the companions wear some ME1 style armor suited to their personalities like Miranda, Jacob, Garrus, and Grunt do, that'd be just fine.

[P3G4SU5]

I think Jacob should get something like this:



It'd suit his background, being a former Corsair.

Also, perhaps Miranda could use a lighter weight version of something like this:

Modifié par P3G4SU5, 03 octobre 2010 - 03:53 .

[archurban]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Now what made me change my mind?  The  Fem-Shep/Jacob Li scene is what changed my mind. Now --- at first I said...ok --- this is the guy's armor and what not...until he does that maneuver where he pulls his top off for that Harlequen Romance Chick mode.

What the hell?  You mean to tell me this fool has been going on away-missions chaffing under that Chip-N-Dales get up of his? Thats crazy and neither does it make sense.  You can have a  .22 pistol and kill that man if you shot at him long enough.  OK... you can MAKE a suggestion that the material of that said " armor"  is some how strong enough to deflect shrapnel and bullets.  I get it... but... jeez.

So yeah. Totally change my mind --- bring the damn Scorpian, Onyx, and the HMM what ever Specter gear --- but this what these fools are wearing isn't cutting it. I'm surprised any of them survived the collector beam weapons. I mean you can write your own name into the darn metalic blast walls of most ships with that thing! 

yeah, that doesn't make sense. but remember. it's sci-fi game. even that thin armor can protect anything. plus, main human character including Shepard are not normal human. they are more likely super human. just think about it. how they can have biotic powers if they are normal but soldier like fighting? can you explain that? I don't think so.

[Nightwriter]

I hate ME2’s way of doing things because it either means my squadmates are ridiculously underarmored or I am ridiculously overarmored.

I don’t like either choice. Not either one, thank you. I do not like them here or there, I do not like them anywhere. I do not like them, Sam I am, I do not like green eggs and ham.  

Either give everyone armor or let me pick out a cool clothing outfit like everyone else has.

[Randy1012]

archurban wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Now what made me change my mind?  The  Fem-Shep/Jacob Li scene is what changed my mind. Now --- at first I said...ok --- this is the guy's armor and what not...until he does that maneuver where he pulls his top off for that Harlequen Romance Chick mode.

What the hell?  You mean to tell me this fool has been going on away-missions chaffing under that Chip-N-Dales get up of his? Thats crazy and neither does it make sense.  You can have a  .22 pistol and kill that man if you shot at him long enough.  OK... you can MAKE a suggestion that the material of that said " armor"  is some how strong enough to deflect shrapnel and bullets.  I get it... but... jeez.

So yeah. Totally change my mind --- bring the damn Scorpian, Onyx, and the HMM what ever Specter gear --- but this what these fools are wearing isn't cutting it. I'm surprised any of them survived the collector beam weapons. I mean you can write your own name into the darn metalic blast walls of most ships with that thing!

yeah, that doesn't make sense. but remember. it's sci-fi game. even that thin armor can protect anything. plus, main human character including Shepard are not normal human. they are more likely super human. just think about it. how they can have biotic powers if they are normal but soldier like fighting? can you explain that? I don't think so.

Instead of typing up a pointless rebuttal, I'm just going to say: ME1. Every question you posed is answered there.

[MrnDvlDg161]

I made amends to the fact there are solutions and excuses that will work because they must --- just for conversation's sake however --- the absurdity is there.



I recognize for things to be stylish and a little retro to sell the team and make things interesting, and that uniformed armor is a bit bland ( look at some of the stuff the Final Fantasy folks wear to fight people with). So you know its more of an RPG trade mark for over-the-top stuff just like 95% of most Anime/Cartoons/loose Sci-Fi.



I get it. --- just its still awkward in many ways.



I however have to hand it to ME --- I am glad that there aren't stupid looking characters as enemies in which it looks like a biker's gang from Arkansas landed on some planet with crazy hair styles and idiotic clothes/armor that doesn't make a whole lot of sense as I see many shooters and games have --- buzz cut dudes with clown face make-up or some stupid add on to a weapon that obviously isn't sensible.



Generally, the enemy looks like a professional enemy. Even the Yagh Shadow Broker guy, though monsterous --- had dignity and quality to his nature rather than tenticals or flesh blobs and demonic crap that has become too cliche in many games.

[Skyblade012]

Nightwriter wrote...

I don’t like either choice. Not either one, thank you. I do not like them here or there, I do not like them anywhere. I do not like them, Sam I am, I do not like green eggs and ham.  

I've always been suspicious of that Sam I Am.  He's plotting something.  I wouldn't be surprised if he was behind the Reaper threat.

[Schneidend]

P3G4SU5 wrote...

I think Jacob should get something like this:

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It'd suit his background, being a former Corsair.

Also, perhaps Miranda could use a lighter weight version of something like this:

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Eh. Jacob and Miranda are fine. They're basically wearing ME1 light armor. It's mostly Jack, Samara, and Thane that need to get a little more practical. Luckily, all Samara needs to do is zip up. No re-design necessary.

[Iakus]

Schneidend wrote...


Eh. Jacob and Miranda are fine. They're basically wearing ME1 light armor. It's mostly Jack, Samara, and Thane that need to get a little more practical. Luckily, all Samara needs to do is zip up. No re-design necessary.

Light armor did not look like that on Kaiden or Liara. 

[Nightwriter]

Skyblade012 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I don’t like either choice. Not either one, thank you. I do not like them here or there, I do not like them anywhere. I do not like them, Sam I am, I do not like green eggs and ham.  

I've always been suspicious of that Sam I Am.  He's plotting something.  I wouldn't be surprised if he was behind the Reaper threat.

Lies propagated by Cerberus's anti-Dr. Seuss agendas.

Cerberus has had it out for the Seuss ever since their scientists were unable to verify that all the Whos down in Who-ville were human and not unidentified fictional non-human extraterrestrials.

[fongiel24]

I agree with the popular sentiment that Miranda's high heels and skintight catsuit are very impractical for combat, but I'm just wondering why nobody ever seems to comment on Ashley's white/pink colour scheme on her armour. It doesn't make her armour less functional, but from a tactical perspective, it makes no sense, unless she's planning to fight on a planet composed entirely of bubblegum. I can't imagine a colour scheme like that would be a standard Alliance scheme and I doubt that degree of personal customization would be allowed by her superiors. Pink/white doesn't even really seem to suit Ashley's personality, since she's not a "girly" girl.

[Nightwriter]

You forget, there was a fair amount of complaining about Ashley's "barbie" armor. Some did not like the pink, and felt it seemed to scream "this is a chick!" unnecessarily.

But after ME2 came out the new outfits rendered the old complaints totally void.

[Vamp-Willow]

Instead of 'pink' I took it as being red and just figured that was the color scheme for that planets military station there. Didn't know until now that there were complaints about it, but if it was 'pink' I can understand why.

[fongiel24]

I wasn't around then. ME never connected with me as much as ME2 so I only started visiting the forums after ME2 came out.

[khevan]

ME1's armors had their own "WTF?" moments, for me. Namely, Phoenix and Colossus armors. Black and Red "LOOK! I'M A F-ING TARGET!" or white and pink "OH SHOOT ME NOW!" armors.

It's just that the ME2 squadmate armors were so f-ing terrible that any complaints about ME1 armors are mere piddly little squabbles.

I mean, seriously, a set of leather straps IN A VACUUM-SLASH-HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT?. WTF, Bioware? PLEASE do something better for squad armor in ME3. PLEASE.

Modifié par khevan, 03 octobre 2010 - 07:36 .

[JaegerBane]

iakus wrote...

Schneidend wrote...


Eh. Jacob and Miranda are fine. They're basically wearing ME1 light armor. It's mostly Jack, Samara, and Thane that need to get a little more practical. Luckily, all Samara needs to do is zip up. No re-design necessary.

Light armor did not look like that on Kaiden or Liara. 

Minus the heels and a slightly daring flash of skin at the top, and Miranda's outfit isn't that far from Liara. Just put a Titan light armour on Liara... they're similar.

Besides, Miranda clearly wears that kind of get up out of confidence. Quite a few characters comment on it throughout the game, so I'm not sure it can said to be interrupting the suspension of disbelief.

Besides, Miranda's catsuit looks a bit like that outfit the that female vampire commando wore in Blade 2 at the start... so I'll let it slide (off).

Ho ho ho

[Skyblade012]

Nightwriter wrote...

You forget, there was a fair amount of complaining about Ashley's "barbie" armor. Some did not like the pink, and felt it seemed to scream "this is a chick!" unnecessarily.

But after ME2 came out the new outfits rendered the old complaints totally void.

Sure, but you could remove it from her immediately, and fit her with something better looking.  Armor was everywhere in that game.  And at least you could dump every character in that armor, so, while it may have been Ashley's default, you could see characters like Wrex in it, severely dampening the whole "OMG, it's a girl!" thing.

Although I do wonder why one of the most universally hated armor designs is the only armor that has shown up in both games.  I mean, of all the designs they could have used, even having your former squadmates in the Colossus or Predator armors to show endgame stuff from ME1, and both in the Normandy destruction and the meeting with your friend on Horizon, your squadmates are stuck in the armor that people hated the design of with a passion.  It's like the devs were just like "You don't like the armor we designed?  TOO BAD!".

[fongiel24]

JaegerBane wrote...

Minus the heels and a slightly daring flash of skin at the top, and Miranda's outfit isn't that far from Liara. Just put a Titan light armour on Liara... they're similar.

Besides, Miranda clearly wears that kind of get up out of confidence. Quite a few characters comment on it throughout the game, so I'm not sure it can said to be interrupting the suspension of disbelief.

Besides, Miranda's catsuit looks a bit like that outfit the that female vampire commando wore in Blade 2 at the start... so I'll let it slide (off).

Ho ho ho

I've never actually thought Miranda's cleavage was that bad. It's a little impractical, but I think even Thane's outfit is lower cut in the front than Miranda's. You can really only see a hint of cleavage.

[JaegerBane]

fongiel24 wrote...
I've never actually thought Miranda's cleavage was that bad. It's a little impractical, but I think even Thane's outfit is lower cut in the front than Miranda's. You can really only see a hint of cleavage.

As I understand it, Drell with Kepral's Syndrome are encouraged to wear clothes that leave their chest exposed in order to delay the onset of the moisture on the lungs.

I can't remember where it's mentioned, though - I think it's in the codex somewhere.

[Therion942]

On the subject of armor, what Shepard wears specifically: Could we get less freakin' glowing lights all over the place? I realize that there are VI assisted targeting solutions but the guns still need to be aimed sort of, having my Shepard be a veritable one-person-rave, while awesome as a vanguard, is absolutely ridiculous for the more cover intensive classes. "Look at me, I light up the night, shoot me first please!"

[Skyblade012]

JaegerBane wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...
I've never actually thought Miranda's cleavage was that bad. It's a little impractical, but I think even Thane's outfit is lower cut in the front than Miranda's. You can really only see a hint of cleavage.

As I understand it, Drell with Kepral's Syndrome are encouraged to wear clothes that leave their chest exposed in order to delay the onset of the moisture on the lungs.

I can't remember where it's mentioned, though - I think it's in the codex somewhere.

It's in Thane's dossier, as part of the medical report by Dr. Chakwas.

[Elyvern]

Therion942 wrote...

On the subject of armor, what Shepard wears specifically: Could we get less freakin' glowing lights all over the place? I realize that there are VI assisted targeting solutions but the guns still need to be aimed sort of, having my Shepard be a veritable one-person-rave, while awesome as a vanguard, is absolutely ridiculous for the more cover intensive classes. "Look at me, I light up the night, shoot me first please!"

While that's a valid point to raise...I'd say in the light of your squadmates running around in high heels and skin exposed is the bigger destroyer of immersion. I'd categorise this together with the white-pink armour level. Heck, part of the reason why I always sic Miranda in her black outfit is so she doesn't glow in the dark like her white one, apart from the fact that the loyalty outfit makes her less ridiculously sexualised. But at this point, I'd even yell in joy if Miranda can wear a set of phoenix armour. (don't take that at face value please, Bioware, DO BETTER!) 

Modifié par Elyvern, 03 octobre 2010 - 10:16 .

[adam_grif]

fongiel24 wrote...

I agree with the popular sentiment that Miranda's high heels and skintight catsuit are very impractical for combat, but I'm just wondering why nobody ever seems to comment on Ashley's white/pink colour scheme on her armour. It doesn't make her armour less functional, but from a tactical perspective, it makes no sense, unless she's planning to fight on a planet composed entirely of bubblegum. I can't imagine a colour scheme like that would be a standard Alliance scheme and I doubt that degree of personal customization would be allowed by her superiors. Pink/white doesn't even really seem to suit Ashley's personality, since she's not a "girly" girl.

Every ME1 human character is capable of wearing the armor with pink through it, and in ME2 Kaiden wears it as well as Ashley in the opening cutscene.

However, "omg pink armor" is a freakin' minor complaint since she was part of a token garrison stationed on a world nobody ever thought would get attacked. Practicality issues are not really that big of a deal, and at least she was still wearing armor and not a space hooker outfit complete with heels.

90% of the armor colors from ME1 would make you stand out like a sore thumb against just about any background, I think there were only like 2-3 armors that actually had CAMO of some kind from memory.

[fongiel24]

The lights on Shepard's armour always bugged me more than the unusual "armour" choices of my squadmates. I'm recruiting a team of scientists, assassins, and mercenaries - I like that their clothing choices are so eclectic. While I do wish some of them were more practical, I like the direction Bioware is going and I feel ME2 is a step forward over ME1 where everyone was dressed in the same generic armour (the names, colours, and stats might be different but they were all just variations on two or three armour models).

[Snowship]

the title of this topic puts THIS song in my head