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[SverhMashina]

i just recently finished ME1 as a renegade character and picked Udina who gave a whole speech about humans being the only voice in the council. I thought, "F*CK YA!!!  human domination of teh galaxy ftw!". **** hits the fan in ME2 and when i go to the citadel to see what's up what do i find? ALIENS IN THE COUNCIL!! :alien:

anyone else as annoyed by this as i am?

[hamtyl07]

i left anderson incharge and i got a human led council the old council pissed me off in 1 so i figured pay back is a **** and the previous council got what they comming and i was a paragon go figure

[wizardryforever]

SverhMashina wrote...

i just recently finished ME1 as a renegade character and picked Udina who gave a whole speech about humans being the only voice in the council. I thought, "F*CK YA!!!  human domination of teh galaxy ftw!". **** hits the fan in ME2 and when i go to the citadel to see what's up what do i find? ALIENS IN THE COUNCIL!! :alien:

anyone else as annoyed by this as i am?

The only thing I can figure happened is that you imported a different Shepard, one that saved the council.  When you import your Shepard, you get a screen that shows what choices you made in ME1.  As Shand said, if the council dies in ME1, you don't even get to see the new council in person, just Anderson and Udina.

[MisterDyslexo]

I'm not sure how it goes. I was told that if you play as a paragon, its multi-racial. If you play as a renegade, its all-human. However that's wrong, so quite frankly idk what to think.

[jbblue05]

I'm not sure if the New Council is all-human or human-led.

They are many hints that its all-human and many hints that it is human-led



Personally I think all-human is too rediculous. Humans represent less then 1% of the population on the Citadel. The turian, salarian, and asari governments would never allow humanity to take complete control plus they outnumber the Alliance 76-8 in dreadnoughts.



Hopefully in ME3 Bioware just makes it the original council or a human-led council an all-human one seems like a pipe dream to me

[InvaderErl]

Agreed, unfortunately my biggest gripe with this series is that HUMANS ARE UBER AWESOME!!!111!!!!! just because.

When you look at the ME timeline the whole thing makes NO sense in relation to humanity's place in the galaxy. 

Modifié par InvaderErl, 02 octobre 2010 - 05:38 .

[lovgreno]

jbblue05 wrote...

I'm not sure if the New Council is all-human or human-led.
They are many hints that its all-human and many hints that it is human-led

Personally I think all-human is too rediculous. Humans represent less then 1% of the population on the Citadel. The turian, salarian, and asari governments would never allow humanity to take complete control plus they outnumber the Alliance 76-8 in dreadnoughts.

Hopefully in ME3 Bioware just makes it the original council or a human-led council an all-human one seems like a pipe dream to me

I do agree. A all human council sounds like a political and economical suicide for the Human Alliance. Humans may like power as much as any other race but they are not stupid.

[Asheer_Khan]

The whole part with All Human/Human led Council is bugged as someone proved here and all this because of default renegade set up which created "couple" conflict with paragon imports (Verner's glitch on Illium, Consort leaving Citadel despite clearing her name in ME 1 by my paragon Shep, financial problems of Sirta Foundation caused by biotic terrorist attack which i eliminated WITHOUT civilian casualties (news claims that all scientist died) to pointing some of those "glitches").



And i always keep original Council alive because humans don't deserve in any form to become so called "top dogs" on Citadel, and if in ME 3 they will still deaf to warnings... well i warned them three times so my part was done and i hope that ME 3 will give chance to set up direct contact with Turians and Asari leads to issue direct warning to them bypassing Council.

[fongiel24]

I've never understood the point of having an all-human council. That would be kind of like having the United States somehow taking over all five UN permanent Security Council member seats. Each seat in the Council is supposed to represent one race. If humanity takes all the seats, what does each seat represent then?

[Talogrungi]

The suggestion of an all-human council is absurd.

The council is responsible for billions of lives spread across tons of different systems and comprised of tons of different alien species. It would be like expecting every nation on earth to, with zero warning, accept the authority of a single president/prime minister/king.

[Barquiel]

InvaderErl wrote...

Agreed, unfortunately my biggest gripe with this series is that HUMANS ARE UBER AWESOME!!!111!!!!! just because.

When you look at the ME timeline the whole thing makes NO sense in relation to humanity's place in the galaxy. 

http://tvtropes.org/...umansAreSpecial

But you're right, of course...it's one of my biggest complaints about the ME lore, too.

[Asheer_Khan]

What is more absurd are claiming by some pro human Council supporters that "Human Council will known better" how to governing the galaxy instead of that "oppressive Alien Council"... riiiiight.<_<

Original ME 1 Council possibly already existed when on earth human tribes still hiding in caves... but of course humanity is soooo awesome that all human councilors will solve all galactic problems without blink of an eye...<_<

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 02 octobre 2010 - 11:33 .

[Bad King]

SverhMashina wrote...

i just recently finished ME1 as a renegade character and picked Udina who gave a whole speech about humans being the only voice in the council. I thought, "F*CK YA!!!  human domination of teh galaxy ftw!". **** hits the fan in ME2 and when i go to the citadel to see what's up what do i find? ALIENS IN THE COUNCIL!! :alien:

anyone else as annoyed by this as i am?

What annoyed me is when Anderson states that the All-Human council doesn't want to meet me because I apparently put Humanity's interests ahead of the rest of the galaxy's interests. Ehem, look who's talking!

[fongiel24]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

What is more absurd are claiming by some pro human Council supporters that "Human Council will known better" how to governing the galaxy instead of that "oppressive Alien Council"... riiiiight.<_<

Original ME 1 Council possibly already existed when on earth human tribes still hiding in caves... but of course humanity is soooo awesome that all human councilors will solve all galactic problems without blink of an eye...<_<

Well the Council having ruled as long as it did might not necessarily be a good thing either. It's often suggested in the ME universe that what humanity brings is a unique perspective and fresh ideas. While having humans running the Council wouldn't be a good idea, having humans play a major role on the Council alongside the more established powers could "renew" a tired, stagnant institution with fresh blood.

[Count Viceroy]

Bad King wrote...


What annoyed me is when Anderson states that the All-Human council doesn't want to meet me because I apparently put Humanity's interests ahead of the rest of the galaxy's interests. Ehem, look who's talking!

lol, I was like screaming inside my head, HOW IS THAT A BAD THING? I gave you that council you ungrateful ******.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 02 octobre 2010 - 11:38 .

[Asheer_Khan]

I think when looking at Council in large scope of ME 2 (Alien lead, Human-Alien, All Human) it's clear that Bioware and Walters shoot themselfs in foot because of entire cerberus as major "player" idea when Council was viewed more as hindrance on this road than support.



They simply can't allow all Human Council to give Shepard support (as logical this would look) because this would brought obvious attacks from pro Alien Council side about absolute favorism of only one side... that's why (i think at least) for the story sake they sacrifice Council in general, what was idiotic move anyway but that's story for another topic.

[Uber Rod]

It can't be an all human Council, the Turians, Asari and Salarians would never stand for that. Also if you kill the original Council and choose Anderson, he is still having a hard time dealing with the new Council, not something you would see if it was all Human. Besides if it was all Human don't you think they would want to meet the man who put them in power?

[Count Viceroy]

If the old council went down, thats fine, they'd still elect new turian asari and salarian representatives, and still possibly give humanity a spot depending.

[Asheer_Khan]

Like i say, Council role was neglected in favor of cerberus what in my personal opinion brought more harm to ME 2 (and what all cerberus related threads show pretty clear) than good.

[hamtyl07]

not sure if this was said but if you listen to the citadel news reports or certain dialog from aliens around you find out that the council is human led if you kill off the orginal council

[Xilizhra]

The very concept of an all-human Council is silly and I'm glad my playthroughs never have to worry about it.

[jbblue05]

hamtyl07 wrote...

not sure if this was said but if you listen to the citadel news reports or certain dialog from aliens around you find out that the council is human led if you kill off the orginal council

It says that the Alliacne believes dissidents from former council races are possibly behind the atracks on human colonies in the Terminus systems

Then their are reports that the Council wants STG to look into the missing colonies but STG only answers to the Council.  But if their is no salarian councilor why would the STG worrk with an all-human council?

Their is a report that the Asari ceded their share of Council fleet requirements to the turians.  If its all-human and the turians and asari are not on the Council why do they have "Council fleet requirements"

The Alliance leads the new council because they have the largest fleet to protect the Citadel.  What happens wheen the other Council races rebuild?   How come the Alliance has the largest fleet, the Arcturus fleet was protecting Alliance space, that means the Alliance is spreading out their naval power.  Why can't the Turians, Salarians, and Asari spread out their naval power when they have a larger Navy then the Alliance

As someone said earlier it must be bugged.  Bioware should just get rid of the all-human council until after the events of ME3.  Still an all-human Council after the defeat of the Reapers still sounds absurd

Modifié par jbblue05, 02 octobre 2010 - 03:14 .