jbblue05 wrote...
You forget the part of the Council Races sending fleets to the Citadel to overwhelm the Alliance. They don't have to fire a shot and ask the Alliance to step down from the Council. The Alliance isn't stupid they know they have no chance against the most powerful races in the Galaxy and would step down. THe Alliance is already overwhelmed by their responsibility. Why do you think the Alliance is begging the Asari, Salarian, and turians to help them protect the Citadel.
Would they? As far as I can tell, the human-led Council has an interesting opportunity known as a political hostage situation. If the human-led Council simply refused to leave after the fleets arrived, what are the fleets then going to do? Do they intend to open fire on the Citadel? Your gun doesn't matter if you aren't willing to use it.
This trading center has ties to the Salarian, Turian, and Asari governments. The Alliance can't strong-arm the trading center without strong-arming the governments whom they represent. Some merchants can be independent but its likely that most are Government funded. I'm sure their are some stores ranned by the Council.
There is a possibility that some of the stores on the Citadel are run by the respective governments. However, the problem with your argument is you are blurring a command economy with a market economy. As far as I can tell, the Citadel has a market economy and that means that a great of the economic sector within the Citadel is actually privately owned. The governments, by this point, are irrelevant. Besides, even if there was some level of command on them, who do you think has the authority to operate those businesses? The governments of those corporations aren't going to matter if humanity runs the very station they are attempting to operate on.
The Destiny Ascension the Asari are pissed off the Alliance didn't save it. The Turians aren't honoring the treaty of Farixen their building dreadnoughts and warships at an alarming rate. The Asari ceding their shares of defences to the Turians is an act of rebelling under Alliance rule. Connect the Dots you can see they're plotting together.
The Salarians would rather have a Council seat then be a pawn for the Alliance. The Salarians have allied with the other Council races for more then a 1,000 years why would they ally with the Alliance and oppose the other Council races after one battle. The Salarians are smart they know the COuncil races united are far more powerful then the Alliance by itself.
No offense, but this is flawed logical reasoning. Your assumption that because the Asari are ceding their shares of defences and the Turians are refusing to acknowledge treaties with the human-led Council aren't necessarily signs that they are plotting. While it is true that it is a possibility that they are plotting, there is also the possibility that the turians are hoping to intimidate humanity just be increasing it's production. I certainly have to congradulate the turians for giving the press news that they would be upping their dreadnaught counts, plots certainly work well when you tell your enemy ahead of time what you intend to do. I will contest the point that it really doesn't make sense for the Salarians to side with the Alliance if it means they still won't be in power, however I still have to point out that your argument is based upon assumptions that are in turn based on a series of premises that may not be so connected to one another after all.
The volus are a client race for the turians, the Elcor owe space-fligt to the Asari, The Citadel and COuncil races have been building Alliances with each other while Humanity was in the stone age. The Volus, Elcor, and Hanar have prospered for a 1,000 years under Council rule.
They don't have to build a Citadel they could form a "capitol" to oppose the Alliance's influence. No matter how powerful you think the Alliance is they can't protect the Citadel and their Colonies without support from the other races and enemies on all sides. The Alliance would have to choose to protect the Citadel or their Colonies either way the Alliance would be crippled..
The Volus are merchants and economic powerhouses. They are loyal to two things: whoever controls the trading outpost and whoever can protect them. Humanity controls the former, the turians can do the latter. If you think the Volus are willing to walk away from all of the profits they could be making on the Citadel in the meantime that this capitol is being created, I think I would like to meet your accounting professor. I would agree with you on the non-Council races only if it weren't for the fact that, as is, they aren't in power anyways no matter what the consequence. It is not in their interest to pull themselves away from the Citadel and get caught up in a war that isn't theirs to fight. Likewise for the Elcor, could you come up with something more tangible that the Elcor owe the Asari? As in maybe the Elcor owe the Asari $10? Simply because you do a favor for someone does not mean they have to come to your aid under any circumstances.
As for the capitol, I think you greatly overestimate the drive of the former races to attack the human-led Council. In fact, as far as I can tell from the game, humanity came to power completely legally. The aliens were confused and had a problem they never faced before, humanity offered solutions. Now that humanity is choosing to leave them out of the loop, the aliens are still just as clueless as to what to do as they were when the Council died in the first place. This is why the riots have been isolated incidents that have easily been put down. If the Turians REALLY wanted to get rid of humanity, it wouldn't be telling humanity that it is building an invasionary force to attack them.
The Alliance only keeps power if the other races are willing or if the
Alliance can find a powerful ally. Again 2 years is not enough time to
overthrow the Alliance. Why are you saying only the Turians, yes they
have the military might, don't forget STG, Asari Commandos, And the
funding and military aid the Turians would get from the other races
I think you might be confusing this power with that of the UN sort of system where the power of the UN is particularly limited. Let's change the circumstances a little bit. Let's assume for a moment that New York City secedes from the United States and comes directly into the control of the United Nations. The United Nations has soverignty over New York City now, however the countries who make up the United Nations do not maintain soverignty of NYC because the United Nations is it's own legal entity at the sametime in a similar manner to how the 50 states make up the United States, but no one state can claim federal property under its control. This is precisely how the Citadel works. While it is true that the Council is made up of pacts of multiple species and doesn't have a whole lot of jurisdiction over non-members anymore, the Citadel is directly controlled by the Council. Don't believe me? Look up the definition of a government and you will see that to be a government, you must have to abilities: the ability to coerce and the ability to generate revenue. C-Sec is the coercion factor of the Citadel and we also know that C-Sec can collect fines and money for permits, which fullfills the ability to generate revenue. What you confuse as the Citadel being under the control of the Council Races is not true at all because the Citadel is under the Sovereignty of the Council itself, which humanity controls; thus meaning humanity controls the Citadel. The defense of the Citadel does not really require the other races once we have established this point.
Now, as for aid, let me use another example. Suppose for a moment that you are a middle-class peasant with no voting rights and no representation in the government of Blahblah. I am attempting to raise a coup against the government of Blahblah and I ask you for your support. If you like, you can even suppose that I once helped finance once of your businesses and thus you owe me a favor. However because I am asking for your support, there is a good chance that you will have to give up the life you known in your community and also give up all of your businesses that are within the well-established community until I win. You get nothing profitable and you still get no voting rights, only the knowledge that you helped a friend. Somehow, I don't think you are going to be quite so willing to help me out if there is nothing for you to gain. This is exactly what would happen to the non-Council races. They had no representation under the former regime and they won't have any representation now. The only thing they have to gain from helping the turians is the possibility that humanity will simply kick them off of the Citadel, which will ultimately result in them losing their homes and employment. Remember that power of the purse I mentioned? This is precisely why I mentioned it.
The Alliance remains cluesless to the Reaper threat. The Alliance isn't doing itself any favors by saying the Reapers don't exist. The Alliance would get more support if they capitalized on the Reaper threat.by saying its real. So you're telling me after 30 years the Alliance is far more powerful then all the races combined that have been around for 1,000+ years. The aliens aren't stuck with the Alliance after 2 years the Aliens are already undermining the Alliance. The only leverage the Alliance has is more ships to protect the Citadel and they are begging for the other races help. The Alliance can't carry the weight of the Galaxy on their shoulders without the support of the other races.
Their is no doubt the Alliance has become more powerful in the last 2 years but it can't match the power of the Council races yet..
Correction: The Alliance KNOWS of the Reaper threat. The Alliance has merely convinced everyone that it doesn't exist. Denying something is true is not an indication that one has no knowledge of it. This is a phenomena called lying, which requires me to have knowledge of something but then pretend that I have knowledge of something else. You contested in your second comment that the Alliance isn't doing itself any favors by saying the Reaper's don't exist. If the Alliance didn't know the Reapers didn't exist, why would they have been so quick to sweep of Sovereign's remains?
Now for my second point, I didn't say the Alliance is far more powerful then all of the races combined. Quite the contrary actually because I acknowledged the fact that the Alliance certainly don't come into power because of merit. What actually happened is that humanity got lucky with multiple incidents and obtained power as a result. The aliens have never faced something like this before, they haven't even had a real war in a millenia, and as a result have been slacking on an idea similar to brinkmanship that was embraced by the US-Soviets in the Cold War. What the aliens don't realize, however, is that humanity is growing more and more powerful the longer they wait (especially if you are playing a ReneShep).
As Shandepard has pointed out countless times, if the races had any inclination of war; why wait? What could they possibly have to gain by sitting around for 2 years and not doing anything about it short of a few isolated riots? What you perceive as acts of war, I perceive as acts of brinkmanship. The aliens are scrambling to figure out what to do and brinkmanship seems like a good option to them. Brinkmanship can easily escalate into war, but the Council races appear to be doing anything possible to avoid that, otherwise they would have already jumped into it. After all with your analysis, they have been more powerful than humanity from the get-go; why wait?
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