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[ShrinkingFish]

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

The wolves area with a lot of traps in DA:O sadden me. Wolves are such great creatures. We shouldn't be forced to kill them. Bears too. 

Wolves:
http://t3.gstatic.co...svWrpmIflxeyZE=

A little about them in folklore. See Fenrir in particular. They are truly magnificent and great. I'd like one as a companion in DA2 and once again let me stress, not killing them.

Alright. This is definitely a joke. Fenrir reference confirms it. Anyone who knows anything about that slice of mythology would recognize it for what it is. Fenrir the Devourer, the great wolf who's maw reaches from the sky to the ground, and would open wider if but there was more room for it to do so. His escape from his bonds, the breaking of the final chain that keeps him penned, kicks off Ragnarok which is the end of everything. Ever. He is a great villain. An unstoppable evil of the world. The child of Loki, etc. etc...

Heh. Fenrir is still great, villain or no.

But seriously, I'd like to avoid killing them and people too. I never kill Ser Cauthrien at the Landsmeet in all my playthrough. Just felt more epic in convincing her to step aside.

Wait. You can do that? She always ends up fighting me... crazy.

Yes, you can. At the Landsmeet not during your rescue of Anora.

She always fights me there too... guess my Intimidate skills just aren't high enough... which is weird cause I max out persuasion as soon as possible.

[Onyx Jaguar]

You have to answer her just right, and in a specific order from what I have found

[The Hardest Thing In The World]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

You have to answer her just right, and in a specific order from what I have found

True, just exhaust all your conversation options with her and never pick the "Show me what you've got" option(or something to that effect) and she'll step down and let you pass.

[Hex of Hell]

Killing animals in games always makes me sad. I really wish everything didn't just attack me on sight and force me to kill it. If my survival skills allowed me to communicate with a halla, why didn't it enable me to soothe the wolves or bears? I didn't want them to have to die.

[Onyx Jaguar]

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

You have to answer her just right, and in a specific order from what I have found

True, just exhaust all your conversation options with her and never pick the "Show me what you've got" option(or something to that effect) and she'll step down and let you pass.

For some reason I always have to use the persuade in a specific order or else she will reluctantly fight me or step down.  Even though I pick both options. 

I think you might need a combination of the Persuade and the Intimidate and use the Intimidate at just the right time.  Or I am getting that wrong.  It was strange, found out by accident (killed her the first time)

[The Hardest Thing In The World]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

You have to answer her just right, and in a specific order from what I have found

True, just exhaust all your conversation options with her and never pick the "Show me what you've got" option(or something to that effect) and she'll step down and let you pass.

For some reason I always have to use the persuade in a specific order or else she will reluctantly fight me or step down.  Even though I pick both options. 

I think you might need a combination of the Persuade and the Intimidate and use the Intimidate at just the right time.  Or I am getting that wrong.  It was strange, found out by accident (killed her the first time)

You may be right about that, it's all a bit fuzzy right now.

[joey_mork84]

Anarya wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

joey_mork84 wrote...

I'm not like a huge animal lover or anything, but I did feel there was something a bit wrong with having to kill wolves and bears in DA.. Especially those two animal groups, because, ironically, I'm Native American and my spirit guide is a wolf while my totem animal is a bear >.<.. Kind of disheartening having to kill them, but eh.. It's just a video game lol

Hey, that's cool. My spirit animal is a wolf too, but my totem animal is a hawk.

But still. If a wolf attacked me in real life. I would not mind killing it. It sucks, yes, but like hell I'm going to let it kill me.

The characters in the game are put in this position, because this is the position that naturally occurs. Wolves see human, they either avoid them or attack them, when attacked you can either die or fight. I'll fight any day.

What's the difference between a spirit animal and a totem animal and how do you know what yours are?

In short, your spirit guide is what helps to guide you in decision making (sort of) and is kind of a guardian angel, in a sense. The totem animal is, more or less, how the world percieves you through your actions and personality. Hope that makes sense lol.. Also, the totem animal is representitive of your family or clan which is further explained here. Sorry for the Wiki links, as I usually don't trust them, but these are spot-on and do a better job of explaining it than I ever could.

Modifié par joey_mork84, 02 octobre 2010 - 08:00 .

[BroBear Berbil]

Oh please. You people do know that if you're in the wilderness and you come across a pack of wolves or a grizzly bear you're officially in a dangerous, life-threatening situation, right? They're predators. They're dangerous.



I would recommend maybe switching the channel from Animal Planet to National Geographic, or something, because if you have the impression that large carnivores will just scurry off or leave you alone in the wilderness you need a reality check.



I think it's amusing that you're playing a violent game with decapitations and gory explosions but, oh please don't kill my majestic animal guide.



When I was 12 and started playing RPGs and MMORPGs that had me killing rats, lizards, wolves, bears, boars, whatever I felt a little bad about it but I'll let you in on a little secret...they're not real. Besides, it's not like the game is making you throw a sack of puppies into a river.

[ShrinkingFish]

joey_mork84 wrote...

Anarya wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

joey_mork84 wrote...

I'm not like a huge animal lover or anything, but I did feel there was something a bit wrong with having to kill wolves and bears in DA.. Especially those two animal groups, because, ironically, I'm Native American and my spirit guide is a wolf while my totem animal is a bear >.<.. Kind of disheartening having to kill them, but eh.. It's just a video game lol

Hey, that's cool. My spirit animal is a wolf too, but my totem animal is a hawk.

But still. If a wolf attacked me in real life. I would not mind killing it. It sucks, yes, but like hell I'm going to let it kill me.

The characters in the game are put in this position, because this is the position that naturally occurs. Wolves see human, they either avoid them or attack them, when attacked you can either die or fight. I'll fight any day.

What's the difference between a spirit animal and a totem animal and how do you know what yours are?

In short, your spirit guide is what helps to guide you in decision making (sort of) and is kind of a guardian angel, in a sense. The totem animal is, more or less, how the world percieves you through your actions and personality. Hope that makes sense lol.. Also, the totem animal is representitive of your family or clan which is further explained here. Sorry for the Wiki links, as I usually don't trust them, but these are spot-on and do a better job of explaining it than I ever could.

Thanks for that. I was completely without words to describe it. Too many "sort of"s and "in a sense"s for me to be comfortable with explaining it myself. Felt like I didn't have any real answers... anyways. Thanks for biting the bullet.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Honestly, EVERY wolf or bear you run across should not be hostile. Obviously DA is different from real life but if I were to walk in the woods out back I would not get mauled by five wolves and two bears. And I wouldn't be walking around with three other people carrying all sorts of weapons and armor either.

[Onyx Jaguar]

You would have a higher risk of getting mauled by coyote's anyway than Wolves

[Elanareon]

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

Wolves can be dangerous, so can bears. If they attack first, I'm killing them.

But there's no avoiding them. In the Brecilian forest, as soon as you see them, they turn hostile and start to rage. I'm just hoping they'll make it like in BG, where I could avoid them and others can kill them if they like.

Sadly that won't happen anymore... Bioware past isnt the Bioware present anymore. They evolved and progressed into something better.... In their opinion...

[Dhiro]

Hey, I want one of these spirit guides, too. All my lucid dreams are about running of people with black suit. In a playground.

[Hex of Hell]

OnionXI wrote...
Oh please. You people do know that if you're in the wilderness and you come across a pack of wolves or a grizzly bear you're officially in a dangerous, life-threatening situation, right? They're predators. They're dangerous.

I would agree with you were we discussing the real world, but...

OnionXI wrote...
I'll let you in on a little secret...they're
not real.

[ShrinkingFish]

ReconTeam wrote...

Honestly, EVERY wolf or bear you run across should not be hostile. Obviously DA is different from real life but if I were to walk in the woods out back I would not get mauled by five wolves and two bears. And I wouldn't be walking around with three other people carrying all sorts of weapons and armor either.

Well... to be honest... you likely wouldn't even run into five wolves and two bears...

However... such would be much more likely had people not been killing them off at a regular pace for the past few centuries. Few may be the wrong word... I'll try several... wait... more than several... dozens. That'll work.

But! If you were, say... in an age before these animals were hunted to miniscule numbers, like some sort of time when people were still wearing iron armor and carrying swords perhaps... you'd have a slightly increased chance of running into them. And... if you ran into them... there is a pretty good chance they'd try to eat you.

I can't think of a single instance in DA:O where my getting attacked by wolves or bears was unreasonable. I always stumbled on bears in their own dens or while they were eating food, thus threatening their meal. Same with wolves. I either threatened the food source or walked into their abmush... in any case, their attack was not unmerited.

[Schuback]

But what can you do? When it bites you you'll become a werewolf like Swiftrunner.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Schuback wrote...

But what can you do? When it bites you you'll become a werewolf like Swiftrunner.

I think we should test this theory.

[ShrinkingFish]

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

You have to answer her just right, and in a specific order from what I have found

True, just exhaust all your conversation options with her and never pick the "Show me what you've got" option(or something to that effect) and she'll step down and let you pass.

For some reason I always have to use the persuade in a specific order or else she will reluctantly fight me or step down.  Even though I pick both options. 

I think you might need a combination of the Persuade and the Intimidate and use the Intimidate at just the right time.  Or I am getting that wrong.  It was strange, found out by accident (killed her the first time)

You may be right about that, it's all a bit fuzzy right now.

Well... that explains it. On my first playthrough Cauthrian didn't survive her attempt to arrest me. On my second she beat me fair and square. Then I killed her in the Landsmeet. I wasn't sorry about it since she was such a pain in the ass, and I rather liked walking into the Landsmeet covered in blood (set the right tone for the meeting in my opinion), but yeah, I didn't just dive right into the fight. I tried to talk her down, hit the first "Persuade" "Intimidate" option, picked one, and she immediatly attacked me. Must have been too soon or something... or maybe I just failed. My cunning wasn't that high after all.

[Khayness]

You have to remind them who is the apex predator on this mudglobe. I see no problems with that!

[Inquisitor Recon]

ShrinkingFish wrote...
But! If you were, say... in an age before these animals were hunted to miniscule numbers, like some sort of time when people were still wearing iron armor and carrying swords perhaps... you'd have a slightly increased chance of running into them. And... if you ran into them... there is a pretty good chance they'd try to eat you.

Yet they're not stupid creatures, your typical wolf or bear would know there are easier meals than an armored guy carrying all sorts of pointy objects. A starving wolf or bear? Possibly, but I rather doubt every wolf or bear you run into during DA is horribly starved.

[HighMoon]

Well, there was the occasional friendly animal which you didn't have to fight scattered about here and there... such as the hala, and those tame animals in Jarvia's hideout (deep roads crawler and Bronto).

[Icinix]

...wait....



are you saying...



you want all the characters to be vegetarians?

[ShrinkingFish]

ReconTeam wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...
But! If you were, say... in an age before these animals were hunted to miniscule numbers, like some sort of time when people were still wearing iron armor and carrying swords perhaps... you'd have a slightly increased chance of running into them. And... if you ran into them... there is a pretty good chance they'd try to eat you.

Yet they're not stupid creatures, your typical wolf or bear would know there are easier meals than an armored guy carrying all sorts of pointy objects. A starving wolf or bear? Possibly, but I rather doubt every wolf or bear you run into during DA is horribly starved.

It was during a Blight. A Blight corrupts and poisons anything and everything it touches. Leading wildlife to desperate measures as an animal will eat tainted meat only when it has no other option. One of the Codex entries even mentions this. The wolves who attack your party for food would be starving due to the circumstances.

But more likely, and indeed what most often seems to be the case, is when bears and wolves attack you in defense of what food they have. How many times did you walk up to a pack of wolves or a couple bears standing around a carcass who then turned and attacked you? Happened to me a whole lot. In fact I'd say about 6 or 7 times out of 10 this was the case.

[BroBear Berbil]

Captain Hex wrote...

OnionXI wrote...
Oh please. You people do know that if you're in the wilderness and you come across a pack of wolves or a grizzly bear you're officially in a dangerous, life-threatening situation, right? They're predators. They're dangerous.

I would agree with you were we discussing the real world, but...

OnionXI wrote...
I'll let you in on a little secret...they're
not real.

Oh, you're clever. <_< They're not real in the sense that they're not actually alive and cannot feel pain. That's not a reason to make them unrealistic and passive creatures. They are not, after all, fictional animals.

Honestly, EVERY wolf or bear you run across should not be hostile.
Obviously DA is different from real life but if I were to walk in the
woods out back I would not get mauled by five wolves and two bears. And I
wouldn't be walking around with three other people carrying all sorts
of weapons and armor either.

Recored Bear attacks
http://en.wikipedia....ca#Brown_bear_2

Wolf Attacks - it seems wolves are particularly fond of Russians.
http://en.wikipedia....s#North_America

They're predators and if they're hungry then they'd probably try to kill you. Obviously, you're not going to run into wild animals with the frequency or in the numbers (6+ bears just hanging out?) that you would in Dragon Age but you wouldn't need to in order to be killed.