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[Skyblade012]

The recent discussion of the Virmire Survivor DLC reminded me of one of my favorite scenes with Ashley.  Namely, she asks you about relegion.  The possible responses to this include the ability to reveal that Shepard believes in God as well.

It's actually one of the most concrete bit of character customization the games allow.  Sure, as you play through, you get to characterize your Shepard as a jerk or a naive fool, but this actually reveals one of your character's personal beliefs.

And it is never touched on again.  Please, fix this.  Nothing huge, a line of dialogue would suffice, but give us the ability to expand on this.  Thane gets to pray before he heads off to kill stuff.  Why can't Shepard?

[AntiChri5]

A moment in which Shepard prepares and centres him/herself before battle.



He/she could pray, look at a holo of earth/family/Love Interest (this actually can happen in ME2)/Squad, check and maintain his/her weapons.........

[fongiel24]

When would Shepard be shown praying? Should Shepard have the option of holding a prayer circle before each mission?

I agree that Shepard needs more character depth, but I can't see how Shepard's religious beliefs could be incorporated into the game without looking awkward and possibly offending people.

It worked in ME1 because Shepard's opinions about God were expressed in ME1 only after Ashley brought it up and it was fairly limited in scope. That one conversation in ME1 was enough. Expanding further on it would require Bioware to account for an entire range of beliefs or risk having another controversy on their hands.

Modifié par fongiel24, 02 octobre 2010 - 07:33 .

[Skyblade012]

There are plenty of times Shepard could be shown praying, especially in ME3, if the stakes are as high as we are all hoping they will be.



It doesn't have to be a prayer, just something. Some bit of dialogue, somewhere, that acknowledges this bit of character development, since it is among the only character development Shepard ever gets.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Can't say it is a bad idea considering the lack of character development for Shepard. But expect this topic to be flooded by trolls soon enough.

[Ieldra]

As long as atheist Shepards get to express themselves as well in a line or two, I wouldn't mind briefly touching on the topic again. I thought its appearance in Ashley's dialogue was very moderate and even-handed from both sides, and the violent reaction it got was completely undeserved.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 octobre 2010 - 07:48 .

[Skyblade012]

Ieldra2 wrote...

As long as atheist Shepards get to express themselves as well in a line or two, I wouldn't mind briefly touching on the topic again. I thought its appearance in Ashley's dialogue was very moderate and even-handed from both sides, and the violent reaction it got was completely undeserved.

I agree that I thought it was really well handled.

And of course I would want atheist Shepard's views a chance to be expressed too, even though I realize I never hinted at that in my earlier post (whoops!).  The point is to make the choice matter, rather than it being another "Shepard VI", which is introduced, then mysteriously absent.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Ieldra2 wrote...
As long as atheist Shepards get to express themselves as well in a line or two, I wouldn't mind briefly touching on the topic again. I thought its appearance in Ashley's dialogue was very moderate and even-handed from both sides, and the violent reaction it got was completely undeserved.

So basically you want Shepard to act like a dick to Thane or Ashley? All that will do is cause problems.

[Skyblade012]

ReconTeam wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
As long as atheist Shepards get to express themselves as well in a line or two, I wouldn't mind briefly touching on the topic again. I thought its appearance in Ashley's dialogue was very moderate and even-handed from both sides, and the violent reaction it got was completely undeserved.

So basically you want Shepard to act like a dick to Thane or Ashley? All that will do is cause problems.

You can act like a dick to them anyway.  Acting like a dick to people has been around since the very first line Shepard had in ME1.

This is a choice, it shouldn't cause problems.  In ME1, you get to tell Ashley that you don't appreciate her views.

Yet Thane's relegious beliefs are all fine and dandy?  Double standard much?

[Zan51]

I dealt with that without going into religion at all as far as I remember. Certainly I never heard Ash talk about it so I must have managed to avoid it with her too.

[Whatever42]

Perhaps it will come up again in the Virmire survivor DLC.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Skyblade012 wrote...
Yet Thane's relegious beliefs are all fine and dandy?  Double standard much?

Because recruiting a guy to help you and proceeding to royally ****** him is rather foolish?

godless jerk Shepard: "Thane snipe that guy shooting at me."
Thane: "Sorry, I decided to strip down and start cleaning my weapons back here... good luck."

[fongiel24]

I'm okay with some moments of self-reflection, but anything more than that is tricky to implement because that bit of character development didn't happen on some playthroughs. Shepard also has the option of mocking Ashley's beliefs in that conversation, shutting her down, or claiming not to believe in God at all.

[Weiser_Cain]

I want the opposite.

[Ieldra]

ReconTeam wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
As long as atheist Shepards get to express themselves as well in a line or two, I wouldn't mind briefly touching on the topic again. I thought its appearance in Ashley's dialogue was very moderate and even-handed from both sides, and the violent reaction it got was completely undeserved.

So basically you want Shepard to act like a dick to Thane or Ashley? All that will do is cause problems.

I submit that expressing atheist views to people is as little, or as much "acting a dick" as expressing religious views. Religious views do not get a free pass just because they're religious, and deserve no more or less consideration than any other kind of opinion.

Edit:
I should add I never selected the lower option in the ME1 conversation with Ashley because I thought Shepard would "act a dick" if I did. I still don't know if he does, but while Ashleys religion does not deserve special consideration, the situation with her speaking about her dead father deserves some empathy. I always choose the middle option.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 octobre 2010 - 08:37 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I submit that expressing atheist views to people is as little, or as much "acting a dick" as expressing religious views. Religious views do not get a free pass just because they're religious, and deserve no more or less consideration than any other kind of opinion.

I beg to differ but that would be taking this further off-topic. I simply hope Shepard behaving like an ass in such a manner to Ashley or Thane for example will come back to haunt him.

[Weiser_Cain]

ReconTeam wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I submit that expressing atheist views to people is as little, or as much "acting a dick" as expressing religious views. Religious views do not get a free pass just because they're religious, and deserve no more or less consideration than any other kind of opinion.

I beg to differ but that would be taking this further off-topic. I simply hope Shepard behaving like an ass in such a manner to Ashley or Thane for example will come back to haunt him.

Hoping for some divine vengence?

[Inquisitor Recon]

Weiser_Cain wrote...
Hoping for some divine vengence?

In the form of the said squadmember returing the favor perhaps.

[MrnDvlDg161]

Is this wishful thinking or is there actully going to be something called " Virmire Survivor" DLC

[Onyx Jaguar]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Is this wishful thinking or is there actully going to be something called " Virmire Survivor" DLC

At the moment it is hanging around the Romance DLC and the Helmet Toggle DLC

[marshalleck]

ReconTeam wrote...

Can't say it is a bad idea considering the lack of character development for Shepard. But expect this topic to be flooded by trolls soon enough.

Ironic.

[Onyx Jaguar]

See that is like an umpire warning. I like to pitch inside and ReconTeam is denying me the inner half of the plate.

[MrnDvlDg161]

I fail to have seen the big deal with this infamous " religious Ashley" conversation. Wow it was a small segment --- it totally blew by, and it was so presented in moderation that you know, only someone with a huge chip on their shoulder would possibly have found it " offending".



I find that if you want to see contraversy, you'll see it. If you go out of your way to find it --- you will.



Who cares if she did speak about some god... so do many other characters in more ways than one, it just simply injects realism into the game. I didn't care for the insinuations in Assassins Creed but I didn't complain about it, it was a fictional story that had a slant to it... if I did not like it. --- then I would have not played it.



All in all --- I think things will be fine. Just keep it real and keep it as a natural act in the story instead of some special interest slam, whether it be for or against belief.

[Inquisitor Recon]

marshalleck wrote...
Ironic. [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

I wasn't aware I was a troll for not subscribing to the popular "lawl Ashley is dum" opinion. <_<