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[MrnDvlDg161]

No, her acts on Horizon is what interests me more than some people attempting to claim she's some zealot of sorts --- I'd rather talk about her character's repair from mishandling.

[CroGamer002]

Why not have choice for Shepard to be religious?

[MrnDvlDg161]

I for one don't see a problem with it, in reality, you did have a choice as to what you would say in ME1.



Seems to me that ME1 period was full of raw matured things... from dialogue to sex scenes.



Ahh well. There's watering down for you.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I'd also like an option to say that Shepard could be religious. My own personnal main Shepard chose the dialogue option to say he was. Although I seriously wish that if they do include more dialogue that makes him seem less like a jerk. In retrospect it is kinda funny that conversation gives you the option of talking like an atheist dick or a religious dick. Anyway, it's probably best that it's limited to a couple of lines of dialogue in maybe a few important points.

I'm not an atheist but I'm not sure exactly when an atheist Shepard would really talk about it unless perhaps it already comes up in a conversation. Like maybe in passing while talking with Thane, or Liara or whoever. It's conceivable that a religious Shepard might pray before a battle or something, but I don't see why an atheist Shepard would take the time to mention that he doesn't believe in any gods right before a battle. I figured He or she would just not mention it. Of course, even a relgious Shepard might also possibly not pray before a given battle so I don't know. Although maybe Bioware avoids bringing it up, not only to avoid offending people (especially given the totally ridiculous reaction to Ashley being of some kind of ambiguous spiritual persuasion) but to let the player think of their own Shepard however way they want to without being confined to what is always going to be a somewhat limited series of choices. For example, I mostly think of my primary renegade Shepard as an apatheist rather than considering herself either an atheist or a theist.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 02 octobre 2010 - 09:27 .

[Ieldra]

ReconTeam wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
Ironic. [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

I wasn't aware I was a troll for not subscribing to the popular "lawl Ashley is dum" opinion. <_<

You come across as a troll because you imply that religion deserves special consideration just because it's religion. Special pleading never goes down well. Also, this may be new for you, but it's actually possible to disagree with a religious view without saying "You're an idiot" - well, at least as much as expressing a differring view on any subject doesn't imply "you're an idiot".

[Whereto]

as much as shepard may be your character, he/she is very much independent. There are a lot of things you cant decide about him or her , as a example: He/She may believe in god but it doesnt mean he or she prays. Somethings such as these issues should be left to the areas where you dont have complete control over the character

[Gibb_Shepard]

I guess if your shepard was religious BW could input a little prayer session before the final battle with the reapers. But it being mentioned everywhere throughout the game wouldn't be a good idea.

[lovgreno]

Some blue box option somewhere on the Normandy perhaps? For example: Click on the blue box at a window and get some options. 1. Watch the stars. 2. Say a silent prayer (religion is unspecified for practical reasons), 3. Walk away.

[Ieldra]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
I'm not an atheist but I'm not sure exactly when an atheist Shepard would really talk about it unless perhaps it already comes up in a conversation.

As a rule, he wouldn't bring it up unless religion is brought up by someone else. And perhaps not even then. When others are deep in remembrance of their loved ones isn't exactly an appropriate time to say you don't believe all that religious stuff.

Also, as Shepard, I wouldn't like to express my disagreement with others so much as what I feel in that situation myself. For instance, if someone started praying while the team was preparing for the suidice mission, what would an atheist Shepard do instead to deal with the situation on an emotional level. I don't think we're ever going to see something in the games because the possibilities are endless, but it would be nice nonetheless.

@lovgreno:
That sounds as if it could work. Good idea.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 octobre 2010 - 09:46 .

[CroGamer002]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

I for one don't see a problem with it, in reality, you did have a choice as to what you would say in ME1.

Seems to me that ME1 period was full of raw matured things... from dialogue to sex scenes.

Ahh well. There's watering down for you.

Only problem with me I never knew there was that option until my 3rd Shepard.<_<

[bjdbwea]

Skyblade012 wrote...

The recent discussion of the Virmire Survivor DLC reminded me of one of my favorite scenes with Ashley.  Namely, she asks you about relegion.  The possible responses to this include the ability to reveal that Shepard believes in God as well.

It's actually one of the most concrete bit of character customization the games allow.  Sure, as you play through, you get to characterize your Shepard as a jerk or a naive fool, but this actually reveals one of your character's personal beliefs.

And it is never touched on again.  Please, fix this.  Nothing huge, a line of dialogue would suffice, but give us the ability to expand on this.  Thane gets to pray before he heads off to kill stuff.  Why can't Shepard?

I agree. I actually didnt like the dialogue in ME 1 all that much. A simple "me too" would have been sufficient. Perhaps the "foxholes" weren't even the reason? In any case, it's a question that would naturally come up sooner or later, especially of course from a character like Ashley. Of course Shepard should also be able to express that he doesn't believe, if that's what the player wants. If there's going to be a DLC featuring Ashley, it would be the perfect opportunity to include as small discussion about the topic.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 02 octobre 2010 - 10:48 .

[marshalleck]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

I guess if your shepard was religious BW could input a little prayer session before the final battle with the reapers. But it being mentioned everywhere throughout the game wouldn't be a good idea.

But who decides to what deity Shepard would pray? 

It's a huge can of worms. Best to let Shepard express a generalized belief, and leave it at that. Which is exactly what they did.

Of course some religious people would be extremely unhappy with this, because it implies that the religious beliefs of others who do not believe as they do, are just as valid and worthy of equal consideration.

Modifié par marshalleck, 02 octobre 2010 - 10:43 .

[Talogrungi]

Religion is just too diverse and emotive a field for Shepard to tackle.

Imagine; if an option popped up "Say a prayer" before the big battle, you clicked it expecting Shepard to just bow his head and silently reflect on the possibility of imminent death, and instead he suddenly whips out a live chicken, kneels on a prayer mat facing space-mecca, crosses himself and then ritually sacrifices the poor wee clucker while intoning a buddhist mantra.

[yummysoap]

Your Shepard's can have your religion so long as my Shepard gets another opportunity to take the ****** and call her dead father a zombie again.

[Rivercurse]

AntiChri5 wrote...

A moment in which Shepard prepares and centres him/herself before battle.

I would support this in ME3, provided the praying aspect alluded to in this thread is optional.

ME2 had something similar if you remain loyal to your ME1 love interest, though.

Modifié par Rivercurse, 02 octobre 2010 - 11:14 .

[Flamesz]

Is there a video for Shepard hating on Ashley for being religious? I just picked that i was fine with it as long as she wasn't a zealot.

[SaintRaccoon]

heh Religion is already responsible for so much hatred bloodshed and all ignorance. Why bringing it in a Meta-game context? At Worse bring a similarly strong choice for Shepard to claim his Atheism.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Good to know I'm not the only one who loved that particular moment. It lets you determine whether you want your Shepard to be a believer. Very deep and interesting, though I think you only get that dialog if you're in a romance with Ashley, or not? It's been a while since I last played ME1; sorry.

[mopotter]

Ieldra2 wrote...

As long as atheist Shepards get to express themselves as well in a line or two, I wouldn't mind briefly touching on the topic again. I thought its appearance in Ashley's dialogue was very moderate and even-handed from both sides, and the violent reaction it got was completely undeserved.

I agree.  I used it a couple of times, but not every time. And as someone else mentioned, Ash brought it up.  I liked that. 

I wouldn't mind Shepard bowing her/his head before a major mission, you could interpret it the way you want.  focusing your mind, praying,   I don't see it for every fight or mission, but on one or two having a moment of reflection before it goes to picking your team.  I'd be fine with it. 

[mopotter]

Mesina2 wrote...

Why not have choice for Shepard to be religious?

This I really wouldn't want.  

pick religious yes or no,  belief in no god, one god or 3,  

I like the idea that my Shepard sees religion as a private, personal thing and is willing to talk about it if asked, but I don't want it to be one of the stated choices like adapt or soldier.  It may or may not be part of My Shepard personality and I think BW did a good job with talking to Ash and Thane about it.

[mopotter]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
Ironic. [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

I wasn't aware I was a troll for not subscribing to the popular "lawl Ashley is dum" opinion. <_<

You come across as a troll because you imply that religion deserves special consideration just because it's religion. Special pleading never goes down well. Also, this may be new for you, but it's actually possible to disagree with a religious view without saying "You're an idiot" - well, at least as much as expressing a differring view on any subject doesn't imply "you're an idiot".

I think this is always a problem with forums and not being able to see the person.  The little round faces are cute, but not really conductive to telling what someone is feeling about the subject.  

[lastpatriot]

Skyblade012 wrote...

The recent discussion of the Virmire Survivor DLC reminded me of one of my favorite scenes with Ashley.  Namely, she asks you about relegion.  The possible responses to this include the ability to reveal that Shepard believes in God as well.

It's actually one of the most concrete bit of character customization the games allow.  Sure, as you play through, you get to characterize your Shepard as a jerk or a naive fool, but this actually reveals one of your character's personal beliefs.

And it is never touched on again.  Please, fix this.  Nothing huge, a line of dialogue would suffice, but give us the ability to expand on this.  Thane gets to pray before he heads off to kill stuff.  Why can't Shepard?

Skyblade makes a great point as this was one area that I was surprised that we never really hear about after that conversation.  It would be nice if there was some way in the future content to allow for more information into the background/personality/belief system of our Shepard.

[Skyblade012]

fongiel24 wrote...

I'm okay with some moments of self-reflection, but anything more than that is tricky to implement because that bit of character development didn't happen on some playthroughs. Shepard also has the option of mocking Ashley's beliefs in that conversation, shutting her down, or claiming not to believe in God at all.

Right, that's kind of the point.  Add something in that changes depending on the decision.  Just a line or two.  Like every other imported decision in the game.

[TheGreenLion]

Religion is a subject that is far too volatile to be breached in the ME universe any further than it has been already. Not everyone wants a religious Shepard. Those who do want it to be their religion. Not everyone will agree, and it will most certainly spark up more problems than if it was left out entirely.



Oh, and there's the work involved. How easy do you think it will be to implement "religious" acts or whatever for Shepard...when there are soooo many religions out there, not all people are comfortable with Shepard being say...Christian. But then what sub-type of Christian, there are several different factions within. Would he be Catholic/Evangelist/Protestant etc.



It's all well and good for a thought, but the implementation and the problems that come with it are larger than just leaving it for someone other than Shepard. In other words, it causes conflict for the consumers once you make it part of the main character. I'd suggest leaving it out, to prevent any sort of conflict that may ensue because of such a topic being brought into a place where it should not be.



That goes for rituals as well, any form of praying should be left out in the case of Shep. If anything I'd rather see Shep either being nervous or getting pumped before some major events. And now, I shall retire behind my flame shield...for I can feel the fire licking at my boot heels.

[Crunchyinmilk]

mopotter wrote...
I wouldn't mind Shepard bowing her/his head before a major mission, you could interpret it the way you want.

Shepard already does this a couple of times in ME2. Right before the briefing to the crew after crashing on the collector vessel springs to mind.



I see no reason to be any more overt about it than they already have been. I don't get specific dialogue to discuss Shepard's preference in underwear but I can choose to imagine he's a briefs or boxers man.