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[Legbiter]

I'm all for Shepard having a bit more personality. As to the evangelical Christians here wanting Shepard to be more outwardly religious I shrug my shoulders and point at Shepard's private cabin.



Now, my Renegon Shepard spends most of his time viewing Ass-ari Up & Cummers vol.576-789 (plus feeding the fish) via the extranet, while your personal Shepard on the other hand obviously spends his/her time at least partially asking God for aid. But since this is an RPG certain things will always have to be left to the imagination.



Except mayo on fries. I demand Shepard acknowledge the inherent evil in that arrangement!

[Saibh]

It's true there's little customization available, but I don't think this can be incorporated into the game correctly. Shepard believing in a religion is not the same as Shepard praying before battle or something. Shepard as a character doesn't need to be religious--of all the things you can customize, this one ranks low for me. Although I guess I can see it if Ashley or Thane or Samara or something brings it up. The thing is, there are so few dialogue choices in any given scenario, I don't want my only options to be religious/non-religious like I feel they would be.

[Legbiter]

Saibh wrote...

Shepard believing in a religion is not the same as Shepard praying before battle or something.

Nicely stated. I...agree.

[mopotter]

Saibh wrote...

It's true there's little customization available, but I don't think this can be incorporated into the game correctly. Shepard believing in a religion is not the same as Shepard praying before battle or something. Shepard as a character doesn't need to be religious--of all the things you can customize, this one ranks low for me. Although I guess I can see it if Ashley or Thane or Samara or something brings it up. The thing is, there are so few dialogue choices in any given scenario, I don't want my only options to be religious/non-religious like I feel they would be.

Very well said.  Wish I had said it as good or well or whatever the correct modifier or pronoun is.  

[cachx]

I like the way it has been handled so far, with subtlety. Even Mordin got a religious moment and you can ask him about it.

But it would be fun to land on a new planet and yell at the natives: "Your Bible is wrong!"

Modifié par cachx, 02 octobre 2010 - 06:14 .

[lastpatriot]

Crunchyinmilk wrote...

 I don't get specific dialogue to discuss Shepard's preference in underwear but I can choose to imagine he's a briefs or boxers man.

My FemShep tends to go commando...

[Sable Phoenix]

Brodyaha wrote...

I could see a conversation like that happening in DLC if you're talking with Ashley and she asks you if you remember an afterlife or something. I think if BW can explore concepts such as genocide, differing ideologies, etc, then they could address religion pretty well. Even if it's just the option to say, "I have my own beliefs," or "I'm not religious."

This.  I really hope to see this if they do anything more with Ashley.  It's part of her character, one of the things that makes her among the most well-fleshed-out characters in Mass Effect so far.  I think it would be really wierd if someone who holds her beliefs would not acknowledge just how big of a monkeywrench zombie-Shepard represents to that worldview.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 02 octobre 2010 - 07:46 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I think perhaps an actual prayer like Thane gets is probably a bad example. But an offhand line about believing on God or maybe a mention in passing about "God help us" or something when going into a dangerous situation might be better. There's no way that Bioware is going to be able to account for everybody's religious beliefs in the game, but I figure if they do include anything my first guess would be to include some sort of dialogue tree that includes: "I believe in God," "I don't believe in God" & "I really don't care." And maybe one that is "I haven't really thought about it." Keeping it to a vague concept of God would be the best choice, Ashley didn't really specify either. I hardly expect that Bioware will include a bunch of options for Shepard to constantly go around telling people "Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?" or "There is no god but Allah." Because that would be almost hilariously ridiculous.

EDIT: Just as an aside though, I thought that one picture somebody made of Shepard talking about the aftlerlife was  pretty funny.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 02 octobre 2010 - 07:56 .

[brfritos]

Skyblade012 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
As long as atheist Shepards get to express themselves as well in a line or two, I wouldn't mind briefly touching on the topic again. I thought its appearance in Ashley's dialogue was very moderate and even-handed from both sides, and the violent reaction it got was completely undeserved.

So basically you want Shepard to act like a dick to Thane or Ashley? All that will do is cause problems.

You can act like a dick to them anyway.  Acting like a dick to people has been around since the very first line Shepard had in ME1.

This is a choice, it shouldn't cause problems.  In ME1, you get to tell Ashley that you don't appreciate her views.

Yet Thane's relegious beliefs are all fine and dandy?  Double standard much?

To be fair, you can tell Thane to spare you from his "mystical crap" in every dialog.
Then he will not discuss his beliefs and religion with you.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Ironic. {smilie}

I wasn't aware I was a troll for not subscribing to the popular "lawl Ashley is dum" opinion. {smilie}

You come across as a troll because you imply that religion deserves special consideration just because it's religion. Special pleading never goes down well. Also, this may be new for you, but it's actually possible to disagree with a religious view without saying "You're an idiot" - well, at least as much as expressing a differring view on any subject doesn't imply "you're an idiot".

Well I think it does only in the sense that generally people do not appreciate being mocked for their relgious beliefs more so than other beliefs they might have, such as their taste in food or entertainment. And the idea that Shepard would recruit say Thane just constantly antagonize him before going into life or death situations with him is kind of...counterproductive. This can apply to him in a non religious context too. When he talks about his dead wife, you can say "You're a smart man Thane, you did not take precautions?" That's not exactly the most sensitive thing to say but it's still not really trying to antagonize him. Maybe if Shepard had said something like "Nice work getting your wife killed MORON," then it would be, and I imagine Thane would take some sort of offense to that. He might similarly take offense to Shepard relentlessly mocking his faith in Arashu, even if to a different degree. Do I think that Thane would just leave Shepard to die in combat because Shepard was a jerk to him? Probably not, I mean even Ashley didn't even seem to mind too much but still, you don't really get a lot of deliberately antagonistic to your squadmates (at least to that degree) because it's like asking for trouble.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Some dialogue expanding on Shep's religious views (or lack thereof) would be cool, but I don't think  Bioware could, or should show Shep praying. The problem with showing Shep praying is that Bioware would have to give him a canon religion. Different religions have different prayers and different ways or praying. I think it is better that any statements made by believer Shep are vague in regards to his religion or denomination.

Personally I'd be partial to Shep reciting to himself, "Yea do I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil," but that would establish him as either Christian or Jewish, and be unfair to players who want Shepard to have a different background. (i.e. Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, ect)

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 02 octobre 2010 - 08:30 .

[Agamo45]

In ME2, Shepard says from time to time something like "My God", or something similar. That shows some belief in one of the monotheistic religions.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Agamo45 wrote...

In ME2, Shepard says from time to time something like "My God", or something similar. That shows some belief in one of the monotheistic religions.

Does he say this as an expression of religious belief or as an expression of shock or suprise? Because if it is the latter, Shep could still be a polytheist, an agnostic, or an atheist. In that case it would just be a figure of speech, sort of like "God damn it."

I ask only because I don't recall Shepard discussing religious belief at all in ME2.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 02 octobre 2010 - 09:07 .

[Frybread76]

Agamo45 wrote...

In ME2, Shepard says from time to time something like "My God", or something similar. That shows some belief in one of the monotheistic religions.

I disagree.  I'm an atheist but there are times when I have said "My God!" or "Jesus Christ!" because I was raised in a Western Christian household in which such words were sometimes used in this way.

[Frybread76]

I don't think Bioware should really delve too far into Shepard's beliefs, but I would totally be up for a an exploration of religions (not just Christianity) and their places in the ME universe through other characters or missions. We got a little bit of that from Ashley and Liara (very briefly) in ME1 and Thane in ME2.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Yeah I mean, it's a common expression even if one doesn't believe in God. An atheist Shepard is still more likely to say "My god! She's still alive!" at Kelly being liquefied than say..."Great googly-moogly! She's still alive!"

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 02 octobre 2010 - 08:56 .

[Ieldra]

Brodyaha wrote...

 We ideally have 6 dialogue choices on the wheel.  I could see something like this happening.  Very rough concept, and going from knowledge learned in Religion 101 from 3 years ago, so please don't flame me!

Question: "What do you believe, Shepard?

One Higher Power. "God has saved from a lot from certain death."  Address monotheistic religions such as Islam, Sikhism, Christianity, Judaism.

Multiple Higher Powers. "Multiple universal forces are looking out for me.  I'm lucky."  Addresses polytheistic beliefs, such as Hinduism, or for those who don't believe in a creator but believe assistive spirits such as in Buddhism, Shinto, or Taoism, to an extent.

I'm Not Sure. "Sometimes it's difficult to decide in this complicated universe."  For Shepards who don't know or can't decide.

Myself. "The only thing I believe is that I can give the Reapers what they deserve: a good kick in the a**." A confident answer for those whose Shepards are athiest.  

All too concrete, and the last option overlooks the fact that atheists have only in common what they don't believe, not what they do. All but one of my Shepards would give different answers than the last one. One would be something like "I try to avoid beliefs. I know what I know, everything else is unknown and has no meaning to me until known." Another would reply: "I believe we must grab the powers once believed to be the domain of the gods for ourselves, and act more responsibly with them than they did, if you can believe the myths."

In general, I'd like to express my Shepards' views somewhere, but I'd consider it enough to have him look out at the stars, silently and pensive.

[Aedan_Cousland]

It is also possible that a Shepard that expresses a belief in a higher power doesn't belong to any human religion. No doubt alien religions have spread to human worlds, just as human religions have found converts on alien ones.

[Xilizhra]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

It is also possible that a Shepard that expresses a belief in a higher power doesn't belong to any human religion. No doubt alien religions have spread to human worlds, just as human religions have found converts on alien ones.

Very much so. My own Shepard is into the asari main religion, siari.

[Saibh]

Xilizhra wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

It is also possible that a Shepard that expresses a belief in a higher power doesn't belong to any human religion. No doubt alien religions have spread to human worlds, just as human religions have found converts on alien ones.

Very much so. My own Shepard is into the asari main religion, siari.

Which is why I believe simply not mentioning it is the way to go. Too many permutations. Someone is bound to get upset or feel left out or feel like their choice wasn't represented properly.

[Weiser_Cain]

Earthman, your Mickey Mouse is one big stupid dope!

[General User]

Yeah well… Shismar aint exactly hot…Shismar.