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[Daerog]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

They don't really know much about the Wardens. All the Qunari know of them, they've heard from the people in Rivain -- which has never been the center of a Blight. So the stories both of Wardens and Blights are more like faerie tales than historical data.

Sten's got the only current information on what a Blight or a Warden even is, and there's not much he can actually say about Grey Wardens. Most of them died in the assault at Ostagar. Two of them survived and killed the archdemon. So, from his viewpoint, Wardens as a group are no more useful than any other soldier. One particular Warden was pretty good at their job, though.

 
Pretty good? A single Warden defied a corrupt monarchy bent on his order's distruction, raised an army from nothing against nearly impossible odds, overthrew said monarchy, then led those armies to victory against overwhelming impossible odds, all with the unstoppable horde washing slowly over his lands and wiping out the grand majority of their standing forces... and that's just "pretty good"? Damn.... I'd like to see what Sten's version of "exceptional" would be.

Sten's version of "exceptional" would be if a warrior did the same thing but was also enlightened by the Qun. So, the warrior would have to be qunari, not just some brother-thing with great determination and lacking in the wisdom of the Qun.

[ShrinkingFish]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

They don't really know much about the Wardens. All the Qunari know of them, they've heard from the people in Rivain -- which has never been the center of a Blight. So the stories both of Wardens and Blights are more like faerie tales than historical data.

Sten's got the only current information on what a Blight or a Warden even is, and there's not much he can actually say about Grey Wardens. Most of them died in the assault at Ostagar. Two of them survived and killed the archdemon. So, from his viewpoint, Wardens as a group are no more useful than any other soldier. One particular Warden was pretty good at their job, though.

 
Pretty good? A single Warden defied a corrupt monarchy bent on his order's distruction, raised an army from nothing against nearly impossible odds, overthrew said monarchy, then led those armies to victory against overwhelming impossible odds, all with the unstoppable horde washing slowly over his lands and wiping out the grand majority of their standing forces... and that's just "pretty good"? Damn.... I'd like to see what Sten's version of "exceptional" would be.

Sten's version of "exceptional" would be if a warrior did the same thing but was also enlightened by the Qun. So, the warrior would have to be qunari, not just some brother-thing with great determination and lacking in the wisdom of the Qun.

But... but what does being Qunari have to do with doing one's job and doing it well? Granted, the Qunari are the exact sort of people who admire this sort of determination. If it is, by complete and utter chance, present in someone outside the Qun, does that not make that person exceptional by the standards of other Bas? I don't think the Warden being a convert would change his opinion in either case.

I mean, I was mostly making a joke and didn't mean for my statement to be taken seriously in the first place. But if the Warden is pretty good at his job as a Bas then he would still be pretty good at his job as a Qunari. His status of enlightenment not really having any affect on his performance.

[Daerog]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

But... but what does being Qunari have to do with doing one's job and doing it well? Granted, the Qunari are the exact sort of people who admire this sort of determination. If it is, by complete and utter chance, present in someone outside the Qun, does that not make that person exceptional by the standards of other Bas? I don't think the Warden being a convert would change his opinion in either case.

I mean, I was mostly making a joke and didn't mean for my statement to be taken seriously in the first place. But if the Warden is pretty good at his job as a Bas then he would still be pretty good at his job as a Qunari. His status of enlightenment not really having any affect on his performance.

I was just joking on the fact of how Sten views everything and everyone inferior to the qunari, but the Warden is just an odd example. A kadan among the bas. If the Warden was a qunari, Sten would be calling him/her Arishok instead I bet. I didn't mean to be taken too seriously on it, I just need to use these emote things more often I suppose.

hmm... appropriate face icon... ummmm..... ?

[Annihilator27]

Mary Kirby wrote...

They don't really know much about the Wardens. All the Qunari know of them, they've heard from the people in Rivain -- which has never been the center of a Blight. So the stories both of Wardens and Blights are more like faerie tales than historical data.

Sten's got the only current information on what a Blight or a Warden even is, and there's not much he can actually say about Grey Wardens. Most of them died in the assault at Ostagar. Two of them survived and killed the archdemon. So, from his viewpoint, Wardens as a group are no more useful than any other soldier. One particular Warden was pretty good at their job, though.

You mean damn good lol.

[ShrinkingFish]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

But... but what does being Qunari have to do with doing one's job and doing it well? Granted, the Qunari are the exact sort of people who admire this sort of determination. If it is, by complete and utter chance, present in someone outside the Qun, does that not make that person exceptional by the standards of other Bas? I don't think the Warden being a convert would change his opinion in either case.

I mean, I was mostly making a joke and didn't mean for my statement to be taken seriously in the first place. But if the Warden is pretty good at his job as a Bas then he would still be pretty good at his job as a Qunari. His status of enlightenment not really having any affect on his performance.

I was just joking on the fact of how Sten views everything and everyone inferior to the qunari, but the Warden is just an odd example. A kadan among the bas. If the Warden was a qunari, Sten would be calling him/her Arishok instead I bet. I didn't mean to be taken too seriously on it, I just need to use these emote things more often I suppose.

hmm... appropriate face icon... ummmm..... ?

I think you nailed it dude.

[Chromie]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

They don't really know much about the Wardens. All the Qunari know of them, they've heard from the people in Rivain -- which has never been the center of a Blight. So the stories both of Wardens and Blights are more like faerie tales than historical data.

Sten's got the only current information on what a Blight or a Warden even is, and there's not much he can actually say about Grey Wardens. Most of them died in the assault at Ostagar. Two of them survived and killed the archdemon. So, from his viewpoint, Wardens as a group are no more useful than any other soldier. One particular Warden was pretty good at their job, though.

 
Pretty good? A single Warden defied a corrupt monarchy bent on his order's distruction, raised an army from nothing against nearly impossible odds, overthrew said monarchy, then led those armies to victory against overwhelming impossible odds, all with the unstoppable horde washing slowly over his lands and wiping out the grand majority of their standing forces... and that's just "pretty good"? Damn.... I'd like to see what Sten's version of "exceptional" would be.

Lord of the Rings what?!

[ShrinkingFish]

Ringo12 wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

They don't really know much about the Wardens. All the Qunari know of them, they've heard from the people in Rivain -- which has never been the center of a Blight. So the stories both of Wardens and Blights are more like faerie tales than historical data.

Sten's got the only current information on what a Blight or a Warden even is, and there's not much he can actually say about Grey Wardens. Most of them died in the assault at Ostagar. Two of them survived and killed the archdemon. So, from his viewpoint, Wardens as a group are no more useful than any other soldier. One particular Warden was pretty good at their job, though.

 
Pretty good? A single Warden defied a corrupt monarchy bent on his order's distruction, raised an army from nothing against nearly impossible odds, overthrew said monarchy, then led those armies to victory against overwhelming impossible odds, all with the unstoppable horde washing slowly over his lands and wiping out the grand majority of their standing forces... and that's just "pretty good"? Damn.... I'd like to see what Sten's version of "exceptional" would be.

Lord of the Rings what?!

I don't get it.

[Dhiro]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

They don't really know much about the Wardens. All the Qunari know of them, they've heard from the people in Rivain -- which has never been the center of a Blight. So the stories both of Wardens and Blights are more like faerie tales than historical data.

Sten's got the only current information on what a Blight or a Warden even is, and there's not much he can actually say about Grey Wardens. Most of them died in the assault at Ostagar. Two of them survived and killed the archdemon. So, from his viewpoint, Wardens as a group are no more useful than any other soldier. One particular Warden was pretty good at their job, though.

Edited: But didn't Sten view the Warden as being an awesome-super-bud-buddy-friend-guy if you did his sidequest and was kind to him as a whole or is that just him being a /leliana "softie"? I seem to remember reading in my Ultimate Sacrifice ending that he said he met only one super-awesome guy in Ferelden.

Yes, but our warden was "special". Like a war hero. Shepard, as a member of Cerberus, can save the world and kick ass while being Paragon, but that doesn't mean that everyone see Cerberus as good guys.

I know, I'm late.

[KJandrew]

So do the rest of the Qunari still think that the wardens are unicorns or has Sten enlightened them yet?

[Faz432]

Mary Kirby wrote...

They don't really know much about the Wardens. All the Qunari know of them, they've heard from the people in Rivain -- which has never been the center of a Blight. So the stories both of Wardens and Blights are more like faerie tales than historical data.

Sten's got the only current information on what a Blight or a Warden even is, and there's not much he can actually say about Grey Wardens. Most of them died in the assault at Ostagar. Two of them survived and killed the archdemon. So, from his viewpoint, Wardens as a group are no more useful than any other soldier. One particular Warden was pretty good at their job, though.

Bioware's canon is that the warden performed the dark ritual, interesting.

Modifié par Faz432, 03 octobre 2010 - 11:03 .

[KJandrew]

Faz432 wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

They don't really know much about the Wardens. All the Qunari know of them, they've heard from the people in Rivain -- which has never been the center of a Blight. So the stories both of Wardens and Blights are more like faerie tales than historical data.

Sten's got the only current information on what a Blight or a Warden even is, and there's not much he can actually say about Grey Wardens. Most of them died in the assault at Ostagar. Two of them survived and killed the archdemon. So, from his viewpoint, Wardens as a group are no more useful than any other soldier. One particular Warden was pretty good at their job, though.

Bioware's canon is that the warden performed the dark ritual, interesting.

She means they survived Ostagar

[AlexXIV]

Faz432 wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

They don't really know much about the Wardens. All the Qunari know of them, they've heard from the people in Rivain -- which has never been the center of a Blight. So the stories both of Wardens and Blights are more like faerie tales than historical data.

Sten's got the only current information on what a Blight or a Warden even is, and there's not much he can actually say about Grey Wardens. Most of them died in the assault at Ostagar. Two of them survived and killed the archdemon. So, from his viewpoint, Wardens as a group are no more useful than any other soldier. One particular Warden was pretty good at their job, though.

Bioware's canon is that the warden performed the dark ritual, interesting.

No, two of them survived Ostagar and killed the Archdemon. She didn't say two of them survived the Archdemon.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Faz432 wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

They don't really know much about the Wardens. All the Qunari know of them, they've heard from the people in Rivain -- which has never been the center of a Blight. So the stories both of Wardens and Blights are more like faerie tales than historical data.

Sten's got the only current information on what a Blight or a Warden even is, and there's not much he can actually say about Grey Wardens. Most of them died in the assault at Ostagar. Two of them survived and killed the archdemon. So, from his viewpoint, Wardens as a group are no more useful than any other soldier. One particular Warden was pretty good at their job, though.

Bioware's canon is that the warden performed the dark ritual, interesting.

Good god... Some people are just trying to lay as much crap into the words of the writers any oppertunity they get.... Oh well, the previous posters clarified what was meant by Kirby's post... Bad style Faz432...

[Faz432]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Good god... Some people are just trying to lay as much crap into the words of the writers any oppertunity they get.... Oh well, the previous posters clarified what was meant by Kirby's post... Bad style Faz432...

Wow I may of misinterpreted what she meant, so sue me!

Modifié par Faz432, 03 octobre 2010 - 11:36 .

[Mykel54]

To know about grey wardens, you first must know about the blight, otherwise you can´t understand why they exist and what they do. The qunari, based on what Sten says, don´t know what the blight is, so the only thing they could possibly know about the grey wardens are tales and legends at best.

[AlexXIV]

Just for the record, I assumed the Wardens would not participate in Exalted Marches. Since they have this political neutrality thing going on. And I guess they would also accept Qunari in their ranks.

[LobselVith8]

Mary Kirby wrote...

They don't really know much about the Wardens. All the Qunari know of them, they've heard from the people in Rivain -- which has never been the center of a Blight. So the stories both of Wardens and Blights are more like faerie tales than historical data.

Sten's got the only current information on what a Blight or a Warden even is, and there's not much he can actually say about Grey Wardens. Most of them died in the assault at Ostagar. Two of them survived and killed the archdemon. So, from his viewpoint, Wardens as a group are no more useful than any other soldier. One particular Warden was pretty good at their job, though.

That's interesting. Apparently, any Grey Wardens in the Free Marches wouldn't matter if the Qunari do invade.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 03 octobre 2010 - 01:50 .

[ValliLilli]

Remember that the Qunari believe that dedication to one's duty and serving the community with all one's has, is important above all other things. That's what the Grey Wardens are supposed to be: a group of people who single-mindedly focuses on destroying a threat to the whole community, with all means and sacrifices neccessary. This is what the Qunari respect. They don't have much contact with the Grey Wardens in real life, so all they have are stories. They don't know about the Joining or Wardens recruiting people from all ways of life including blood mages. Even if they knew I think they wouldn't mind so much. For the Qunari invidual's social role is what defines him/her and overrides all other things. So mage Wardens are first Wardens and then mages. That's why Sten follows PC who is a mage and a woman. Because her role as a Grey Warden overrules other things she is. That's why he gets annoyed when you go to do some non-Grey Warden stuff - you're stepping out of your role.