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[SirShreK]

tool_bot wrote...

vilnii wrote...

The Maker is not an old god...he actually created Thedas and the fade. However he may or may not be the 'Supreme Being' There may be other higher entities

Or he might just be something the Chantry made up.

David Gaider thinks otherwise.

Modifié par SirShreK, 03 octobre 2010 - 03:42 .

[DarthCaine]

SirShreK wrote...

David Gaider thinks otherwise.

No, he's never confirmed or denied that the Maker exists, and I doubt he ever will.

In your link he's just saying what the Chantry says, which according to several people in DAO is rarely the truth.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 03 octobre 2010 - 03:50 .

[Dr. wonderful]

BEHOLD THE MAKER!







THE MAKER PROTECTS!



....



Ok so that's not him.

[SirShreK]

DarthCaine wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

David Gaider thinks otherwise.

No, he's never confirmed or denied that the Maker exists, and I doubt he ever will.

In your link he's just saying what the Chantry says, which according to several people in DAO is rarely the truth.

Reading comprehension failure?

I said that Maker was not an asspull from the chantry. Even the pragmatic AND Old God praying tevinter Imperium believed that the Golden city was built by the maker.

I think you are ignorant of the fact (or did not read the linked post correctly) that the tevinter imprium precedes the Chantry.

[mousestalker]

Picture of the Maker:







There ya go.

[Jack Hoff]

Here is the true maker

[Lord_Valandil]

How quickly my thread derailed...although I won't lie, I laughed.

[Ortaya Alevli]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

How quickly my thread derailed...although I won't lie, I laughed.

I think we're still on the course as much as possible.

*whistle*

[Orbweaver]

The Maker? He looks like whatever he wants to look like.



Kinda like Flemeth.

[AlexXIV]

vilnii wrote...

The Maker may never be seen but he will affect events big time

You mean like he did in DA:O ?

[Gabey5]

the maker isnt real. Medieval minds remember

[Lord_Valandil]

All right, let's say he isn't real...what about the Golden City then?

[Lord Gremlin]

Combine a huge beard in the sky, ten tons of Nutella and David Gaider and you'll get the basic idea.

[Sidatarias999]

Woa right there, Gremlin. That was ALMOST funny, i give you that.

[Stanley Woo]

A bunch of spam and off-topic discussion removed.

[Demx]

If the Maker doesn't exist then explain to me, why your spirit returns to the Fade and the Black City exits?

[WidowMaker9394]

I often think of the Maker as a giant blob of jelly. That would make the Chantry go WTF.

[AlexXIV]

Siradix wrote...

If the Maker doesn't exist then explain to me, why your spirit returns to the Fade and the Black City exits?

Explain to me first why this has anything to do with the existance of the Maker? Black City can exist without a Maker. Your spirit can go anywhere without a Maker either. Remember that people who think the Maker doesn't actually exist don't give alot of credit to Chantry preaching. And you won't find alot of solid proof of anything in the game.

[AlexXIV]

Stanley Woo wrote...

A bunch of spam and off-topic discussion removed.

Well the topic is what the Maker looks like and you removed the picture I posted. How is that spam or off topic?

[Blacklash93]

SirShreK wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

David Gaider thinks otherwise.

No, he's never confirmed or denied that the Maker exists, and I doubt he ever will.

In your link he's just saying what the Chantry says, which according to several people in DAO is rarely the truth.

Reading comprehension failure?

I said that Maker was not an asspull from the chantry. Even the  AND Old God praying tevinter Imperium believed that the Golden city was built by the maker.

I think you are ignorant of the fact (or did not read the linked post correctly) that the tevinter imprium precedes the Chantry.

Just because the Maker concept existed before the Chantry doesn't mean it's true. It just wasn't turned into a formal religion yet.

All these individual myths and legends are only a fraction of the whole story. What people believe to be the maker probably exists, though the widely accepted story and vision of him may not be true. The elven and old gods are the most interesting to me at this point, as they're the ones we know the least about.

My biggest question question, though, is...

Why is this called Dragon Age? What about the story merits that title? I know the Old Gods are Dragons, but they're just... not that impressive if Urthemiel is any indication.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 05 octobre 2010 - 01:48 .

[Pauravi]

Why do you assume he exists?

One of my favorite parts about DA lore is that, unlike many other fantasy genres, the existence of a God or Gods is not obvious. In D&D there is no dispute; Clerics get their powers from prayers, or hell, you could even go visit them on their home plane if you're powerful enough. They even walked on the Prime during the Time of Troubles. In D&D the non-believers are generally just people who refuse to venerate the gods.

In DA, things the debate is not so cut and dried. The argument for the existence of The Maker is much like the "argument from design" that people use today. In the DA universe the fact that magic exists means that "physics" doesn't work the same as it does here on Earth, but it is no more an argument for the existence of the Maker than the Moon or the stars are an argument for God here on Earth. In fact, magic provides a pretty strong argument for the NON-existence of Gods by providing a mechanism for many so-called miracles.

Indeed, the OP's bias appears to be showing: why assume that the Chantry's "Maker" exists, as opposed to the Gods of the Elves? Probably the same reason that people in the U.S. have this debate almost solely with regard to the Christian God; not because his existence is more likely than any other god, but simply because it is the one that they identify with the most.

Modifié par Pauravi, 05 octobre 2010 - 12:21 .

[Shreav]

Maybe we should start a "Draw The Maker" day or something.

[Pauravi]

Siradix wrote...

If the Maker doesn't exist then explain to me, why your spirit returns to the Fade and the Black City exits?

Does your spirit return to The Fade?  I don't see any evidence that it does.  In fact, I have yet to encounter a single spirit that has ever shown any indication that it once belonged to a mortal being.

The existence of the Black City is also no proof of anything except that there is a city-like structure in The Fade.  There is no reason to think that it used to be a Golden City, and even it was, there is no reason to think that The Maker built it.  Considering that spirits can simply will things into existence when in The Fade, I find it very likely that The City exists simply because the Fade Spirits make it so.

[Pauravi]

WidowMaker9394 wrote...

I often think of the Maker as a giant blob of jelly. That would make the Chantry go WTF.

I found a picture of him: