Briiel wrote...
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I also remember Slim saying that Howe was stealing from the royal treasury to give gifts to his mistress Sophie.
Once again proving that the source of all evil is a womanjk
So what are you trying to say here ?? Women are evil *gets ready to light a fire under KoP*<3
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Costin_Razvan wrote...
I see no honor in sitting idly by while a rapist has just kidnapped a few women, while you give your weapon to two elves to sort it out themselves.
I will have to agree with you on this . When you meet Duncan he gives you no sense of "Im in it for the honor and glory" it's more of "I must save these people no matter the cost":)KnightofPhoenix wrote...
KaiLyn wrote...
Ah, but they are the best in their zones of activity AND some DO consider it an honor - Bryce, Gilmor, Jory and Wynne each have comments that indicate some consider Grey Wardens exceptional.
And they are naive, who refer to stories and legends, and not first hand experience.
Honor means nothing to the Wardens.
I see no honor in bargaining with dying parents who were generous enough to welcome you about saving their child. I see cold ruthless pragmatism and I respect Duncan for that. But I would not call this honorable.
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Briiel wrote...
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I also remember Slim saying that Howe was stealing from the royal treasury to give gifts to his mistress Sophie.
Once again proving that the source of all evil is a woman
So what are you trying to say here ?? Women are evil *gets ready to light a fire under KoP*
No, that women, in their infnite beauty and seductive qualities, are what push us poor weak willed men to ere.
I don't think you have to worry about that, at least. The VO notes make it clear that he doesn't really want you to be with his son.By the end of the night, Howe had "arranged" to murder the family, my cook/Nanny (remember Nan?) and friends in his diabolical scheme - planning, perhaps, to "save me" for his son?? Creep.
And letting you, a rightful heir of Highever, live just so his son (who apparently had nothing to do with his father's acts) could have a trophy is too out there even for him, in my opinion.VO: vague dismissal with the wave of a hand. "I raised the topic to distract you and curry favor, so I wasn't expecting to seriously explain it."
and
VO: Honest disapproval under proper noble discourse. "If I gave real thought to you dating my child, I disapprove. I don't like how you were raised."
Costin_Razvan wrote...
I see no honor in sitting idly by while a rapist has just kidnapped a few women, while you give your weapon to two elves to sort it out themselves.
The fact that most humans wouldn't do anything at all has nothing to do with how honorable Duncan's inaction is.Wulfram wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
I see no honor in sitting idly by while a rapist has just kidnapped a few women, while you give your weapon to two elves to sort it out themselves.
It's more than most shem would do.
Costin_Razvan wrote...
I see no honor in sitting idly by while a rapist has just kidnapped a few women, while you give your weapon to two elves to sort it out themselves.
Elhanan wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
I see no honor in sitting idly by while a rapist has just kidnapped a few women, while you give your weapon to two elves to sort it out themselves.
AFAIK, up to that point, he was not known as a rapist; just another drunken Noble's son.
If you play a CEM then when you wake up post-abduction, someone says that someone else in the Alienage had a daughter who worked in the estate but one day she was taken to Vaughan's room and her body was found by the docks.Elhanan wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
I see no honor in sitting idly by while a rapist has just kidnapped a few women, while you give your weapon to two elves to sort it out themselves.
AFAIK, up to that point, he was not known as a rapist; just another drunken Noble's son.
Aeowyn wrote...
Elhanan wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
I see no honor in sitting idly by while a rapist has just kidnapped a few women, while you give your weapon to two elves to sort it out themselves.
AFAIK, up to that point, he was not known as a rapist; just another drunken Noble's son.
Eh, what? Everyone knows of his appetites and that he doesn't treat women well. The elves seem to know it at least.
Sarah1281 wrote...
The fact that most humans wouldn't do anything at all has nothing to do with how honorable Duncan's inaction is.
Sarah1281 wrote...
If you play a CEM then when you wake up post-abduction, someone says that someone else in the Alienage had a daughter who worked in the estate but one day she was taken to Vaughan's room and her body was found by the docks.Elhanan wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
I see no honor in sitting idly by while a rapist has just kidnapped a few women, while you give your weapon to two elves to sort it out themselves.
AFAIK, up to that point, he was not known as a rapist; just another drunken Noble's son.
And it was clear what Vaughan was after earlier in the day when Shianni hit him with that bottle.
THREE seperate people including Valendrien explain what happened to you. It's not a rumor that the elf servant was seen being carried to Vaughan's room by his men. It's not a rumor that children found her washed under the docks. It's not a rumor that it was clear that she'd been violated. Your character does not personally know that this has happened but that doesn't mean that others don't. Your character was considered a child when it happened the year before so of course they're not going to be told about it.No; by your words we know of this incident post-abduction. And for the same reasons some of my Warden's used to free him from his cell, all we have is the word of one man (or in this case: rumor) vs the other.
Wulfram wrote...
Sarah1281 wrote...
The fact that most humans wouldn't do anything at all has nothing to do with how honorable Duncan's inaction is.
He is supposed to be neutral, but still does more than most.
I don't think that makes him dishonourable.
Sarah1281 wrote...
THREE seperate people including Valendrien explain what happened to you. It's not a rumor that the elf servant was seen being carried to Vaughan's room by his men. It's not a rumor that children found her washed under the docks. It's not a rumor that it was clear that she'd been violated. Your character does not personally know that this has happened but that doesn't mean that others don't. Your character was considered a child when it happened the year before so of course they're not going to be told about it.
No; by your words we know of this incident post-abduction. And for the same reasons some of my Warden's used to free him from his cell, all we have is the word of one man (or in this case: rumor) vs the other.
Persephone wrote...
BAH. Neutrality has nothing to do with allowing helpless women to be abducted, raped and possibly killed.
Also does not make his pragmatic actions honorable.Wulfram wrote...
Persephone wrote...
BAH. Neutrality has nothing to do with allowing helpless women to be abducted, raped and possibly killed.
Killing nobles to save elvish damsels in distress is a good way to get the wardens kicked out of the country, unfortunately
Sarah1281 wrote...
Did Howe actually do anything that could even vaguely be called betraying Cailan? He wasn't even at Ostagar. Unless neglecting to show up counts as treason now?darkshadow136 wrote...
kill them both, they both betrayed the king, and if you played a noble character Howe killed your family so he should be dead no matter what.
There were plenty of other nobles who did not show up to fight (most of the Bannorn, in fact, which is why they still had soldiers to wage a civil war against Loghain with) and killing off the Couslands isn't treason against the Crown as the Couslands are not part of the royal family. It is still highly illegal but not actually treason against the Crown. Howe didn't betray Cailan. He betrayed the Couslands and you could easily argue that he betrayed Ferelden but not Cailan himself since he soon died.cdtrk65 wrote...
Sarah1281 wrote...
Did Howe actually do anything that could even vaguely be called betraying Cailan? He wasn't even at Ostagar. Unless neglecting to show up counts as treason now?darkshadow136 wrote...
kill them both, they both betrayed the king, and if you played a noble character Howe killed your family so he should be dead no matter what.
Not only neglecting to show up but also fighting and killing (3/4 or 1/2) of a noble family, including the head. I would say he was just as guilty of betraying the king as Lohgain. He might as well joined the darkspawn..
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