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[ErichHartmann]

My only real beef with Carth is his voice. Makes me laugh for some reason (which is why I can't take Kaiden seriously).

[NamiraWilhelm]

He was too 'smarmy' for me. A slimeball. Likely just his voice but {shudders}

[GodWood]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Jacob didn't strike me as dickish.

Jacob was a dick.

And Kaiden never whined.

[Sable Rhapsody]

...how was Jacob a dick? Maybe it's because I was playing FemShep and assiduously avoiding anything other than the neutralish responses so as to avoid getting written up for sexual misconduct, but Jacob struck me as functional, stable, and generally a good dude. A suspicious dude at times (Tali, Thane), but a good dude.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I found him self-important and disingenuous. I really didn't like him.

[upsettingshorts]

Self important and disingenuous... I don't see it at all.

He seemed professional, cautious, and reserved to me. Very believable as a disenchanted (with the Alliance) soldier.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 04 octobre 2010 - 06:31 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Jacob was pretty defensive if you ever really prodded him on Cerberus. He was also not exactly charitable to Tali, Thane, or Legion. Maybe that's the sticking point. But no one's perfect.

[upsettingshorts]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Jacob was pretty defensive if you ever really prodded him on Cerberus. He was also not exactly charitable to Tali, Thane, or Legion. Maybe that's the sticking point. But no one's perfect.

Jacob's relationship with Cerberus was the definition of ambivalent.   He's well aware of the problems with the organization, stating that often the criticisms of the group from outsiders are well-deserved.  On the other hand, he did join them voluntarily after being disenchanted with the Alliance's inertia and inefficiency, so he definitely has positive feelings about what they're trying to do - especially when it comes to the Lazarus cell.  So, Tali's not-remotely-tactful objections to Cerberus - in his presence - are definitely going to spark some reaction from Jacob.  Legion is a Geth, something Jacob has personal and negative experience with up to that point.  He also distrusts Thane as someone who represents violence-without-scruples that Jacob also finds relatively distasteful.

However, he also never gets into a him-or-me type argument with any of them (like Tali, Legion, Miranda and Jack do) which shows he's able to internalize his issues and deal with them like a professional.

Note: Notice how 3 of the 4 conflicting companions are female, and the 4th is a robot?  Trying to say something, Bioware?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 04 octobre 2010 - 06:40 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

I think he was trying to come across as ambivalent in order to gain the confidence of an apprehensive Shepard. He was just really bad it. He acknowledges some legitimate concerns about Cerberus, but then glosses them over and gets defensive about it.

He seemed to me to be thoroughly indoctrinated but trying to hide it. It was juvenile.

[Kreid]

I had the impression Jacob was trying too hard some times to justify the fact that the only organization that lets him "deal with the bad guys" directly is just as criminal as the people he wants to take down.
Problem is I'm not sure if he was trying to convince Shepard or himself.

Modifié par Creid-X, 04 octobre 2010 - 07:20 .

[The Hardest Thing In The World]

I liked Aerie. I don't understand the hate she gets.

[upsettingshorts]

Eh, he's still ambivalent even if your Shepard embraces Cerberus at every opportunity. It struck me as genuine.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I think he was trying to come across as ambivalent in order to gain the confidence of an apprehensive Shepard. He was just really bad it. He acknowledges some legitimate concerns about Cerberus, but then glosses them over and gets defensive about it.
He seemed to me to be thoroughly indoctrinated but trying to hide it. It was juvenile.

Anyone you DID like out of ME2, Sylvius? 

Anyway, back on topic.  I could go for some bad guys.  Like Bishop.  (And before anyone starts on me, I do not believe Bishop is a healthy character or should be an LI in any way shape or form unless it actually does lead to a massive train wreck).  Someone who is bad news, but gifted enough where you need them on your side for the time being.

[Akka le Vil]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

*snerk*  Hey, Carth has a lot of fans.  Personally, I found Carth and Anomen insufferable, Alistair and Garrus adorable, and wanted to stab-kill Aerie on sight.   To each their own, right? 

I don't have a problem with characters with issues.  Issues are fine.  They make characters interesting.  What I personally find annoying is characters who try to out-angst the PC by continually bringing up some issue of theirs and expecting sympathy.  Generally speaking, the PC's life will always suck the most.  The PC will be the one who was killed, resurrected, soul-eaten, mind-wiped, child of a dead god, survived a brutal attack, etc.  And then you've got some NPC moping about their dead ex, or daddy issues, or god knows what--a little perspective is nice 

The real problem is not really that the character is whiny. If you notice, Carth doesn't utter a word out of line and is VERY professionnal by himself.
The problem is, the dialogues you have with him are ALL targeted around his issues. As such, he may sound "whiny" (because each time you talk to him he's visibly suffering from past betrayal), but if you just read the lines, it's our character that actually pressed the issue (so it's not like if he just jumped on you to cry on your shoulder, unlike Aerie).

The problem is the lack of other topics in the dialogues - because the relationship through dialogue is too much railroaded in the "discover your companion's problem" line and not enough in "general chatting", more natural way.
On the other hand, it's rather normal that the dialogues are more developped toward the thing that get the story moving and not just random discussions. That's the hard part of a writer's work I suppose.

[Wulfram]

Akka le Vil wrote...


The problem is the lack of other topics in the dialogues - because the relationship through dialogue is too much railroaded in the "discover your companion's problem" line and not enough in "general chatting", more natural way.
On the other hand, it's rather normal that the dialogues are more developped toward the thing that get the story moving and not just random discussions. That's the hard part of a writer's work I suppose.

Which is why I'd like to see more dialogues about things going on currently

[Sylvius the Mad]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Anyone you DID like out of ME2, Sylvius? 

Legion.

That dude was a lot of fun.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Anyone you DID like out of ME2, Sylvius? 

Legion.

That dude was a lot of fun.

Funny you should say that.  I was going through my favorite BioWare characters in my head, and a lot of them are non-organic, for lack of a better way of putting it.  HK-47, Legion, EDI, Shale...something about BioWare's robots is irresistable.