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[crimzontearz]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I know it sucks to want an ME2 squaddie back in ME3, but I think everybody should brave up and stop inventing faint reasons for them to be back other than as cameo/DLCs. Or else it's just the quickest way to the dissapointment with ME3.

This one is particularly pathetic, 'cause Casey Hudson has recently revealed that BioWare had not even been expecting the people to care about carry-overs as much as they had. And during ME2 promo he was as clear as he could about ME2 squad not being planned to stay for ME3, when he said that Liara, Ashley and Kaidan had to be kept away from it to return in ME3.

That sounds like an extremely idiotic thing to say, did he seriously think that ME fans wanted each game be as stand alone as possible?

But i do think that there will be returning squad members. I know that there is no way in hell Garrus will be leaving shepard, Miranda and Jacob i also think are highly likely to be in your squad. The rest, however, have reasons to leave. So the rest of the crew will likely be new squaddies, which i don't have a problem with.

it's Casey, the same guy who said "oh yeah a lot of people think the mining game is addicting"

nuff said

[TMA LIVE]

crimzontearz wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I know it sucks to want an ME2 squaddie back in ME3, but I think everybody should brave up and stop inventing faint reasons for them to be back other than as cameo/DLCs. Or else it's just the quickest way to the dissapointment with ME3.

This one is particularly pathetic, 'cause Casey Hudson has recently revealed that BioWare had not even been expecting the people to care about carry-overs as much as they had. And during ME2 promo he was as clear as he could about ME2 squad not being planned to stay for ME3, when he said that Liara, Ashley and Kaidan had to be kept away from it to return in ME3.

That sounds like an extremely idiotic thing to say, did he seriously think that ME fans wanted each game be as stand alone as possible?

But i do think that there will be returning squad members. I know that there is no way in hell Garrus will be leaving shepard, Miranda and Jacob i also think are highly likely to be in your squad. The rest, however, have reasons to leave. So the rest of the crew will likely be new squaddies, which i don't have a problem with.

it's Casey, the same guy who said "oh yeah a lot of people think the mining game is addicting"

nuff said

I wouldn't say addicting, but I did try to mine everything... till I realised it was a complete waste of time.

[Sajuro]

TMA LIVE wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I know it sucks to want an ME2 squaddie back in ME3, but I think everybody should brave up and stop inventing faint reasons for them to be back other than as cameo/DLCs. Or else it's just the quickest way to the dissapointment with ME3.

This one is particularly pathetic, 'cause Casey Hudson has recently revealed that BioWare had not even been expecting the people to care about carry-overs as much as they had. And during ME2 promo he was as clear as he could about ME2 squad not being planned to stay for ME3, when he said that Liara, Ashley and Kaidan had to be kept away from it to return in ME3.

That sounds like an extremely idiotic thing to say, did he seriously think that ME fans wanted each game be as stand alone as possible?

But i do think that there will be returning squad members. I know that there is no way in hell Garrus will be leaving shepard, Miranda and Jacob i also think are highly likely to be in your squad. The rest, however, have reasons to leave. So the rest of the crew will likely be new squaddies, which i don't have a problem with.

it's Casey, the same guy who said "oh yeah a lot of people think the mining game is addicting"

nuff said

I wouldn't say addicting, but I did try to mine everything... till I realised it was a complete waste of time.

I found a certain appeal to it, since I was sure there would be some achievement to mining every planet in the galaxy. But alas

[crimzontearz]

my point remins

[Zulu_DFA]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

My point is, if I spend 45 hours (my average playtime) working mostly on my team to keep them alive, why don't I get to have them with me in the next stage of the adventure? Why should I be treated like those who just ran through ME2 and ended up with a few teammates alive? A two-minute cameo is nothing I care for.

It's just not fair.

With all due respect, Phoenix, it's not fair to sell a game half empty for the same price to those folks that don't have a "good" save to import. If you do, well, good for you, you're entitled to bonuses.

TMA LIVE wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

The only saving grace is that you can't import a character unless 2 or 3 people survive (from what I'm told). If more then 2 (to fill a squad) die, then you die.

That doesn't mean they'll have important roles, but they at least want you to have some survivors for playing DLC and ME3.

???

Think about like this. Unless ME3 starts with completely different people, and you have to recruit everyone, they'll at least want Shepard to start with 2 people. Those people "could" be ME2 squadmates, or not. They're probably still deciding that right now. But they left the option open in case they do want you to start ME3 with the SR2 crew, without anyone new till later.

ME2 had two returning squadmates from ME1 (who could not be dead), and yet it started with two different people. And the devs had probably decided on it even before they started developing ME2, when, as Casey Hudson said, they hadn't even thought people would be so eager to carry over their saves. Of course, they could always change their previous decision, for example, make a planned cameo into LotSB-like one-mission "playable" cameo...

But saying that the "last pair standing" will return as ME3 squadmates is the same as saying that all thirteen squadmates will return as squadmates.

Besides, it's possible to kill the "last pair standing" in the Gibbed's Save Editor, and still continue playing ME2 - talk to Joker, Chakwas, Kelly, purchase upgrades, eject trash... You only can't leave the Normandy, lol! But you still can make saves and import those saves for New Game Plus, so the best guess is, it'll be possible to import them into ME3 as well and play it as if ALL ME2 SQUADMATES DIED in the "suicide mission".

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 05 octobre 2010 - 05:09 .

[TMA LIVE]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

ME2 had two returning squadmates from ME1 (who could not be dead), and yet it started with two different people. And they had probably decided on it even before they started developing ME2, when, as Casey Hudson said, they hadn't even thought people would be so eager to carry over their saves. Of course, they could always change their previous decision, for example, make a planned cameo for LotSB like one-mission "playable" cameo...

But saying that the "last pair standing" will return as ME3 squadmates is the same as saying that all thirteen squadmates will return as squadmates.

Besides, it's possible to kill the "last pair standing" in the Gibbed's Save Editor, and still continue playing ME2 - talk to Joker, Chakwas, Kelly, purchase upgrades, eject trash... You only can't leave the Normandy, lol! But you still can make saves and import those saves for New Game Plus, so the best guess is, it'll be possible to import them into ME3 as well and play it as if ALL ME2 SQUADMATES DIED in the "suicide mission".

The Gibbed Save Editor is more of a hack. I think that'll just screw up your import. Thus they won't bother with that.

And ME1 still started with Ash/Kaidan/Liara running towards you. So they might need someone to fill that role.

Another thing is, in ME3, you might have to start kicking people off your ship in order to make room for new people. We don't know if they'll add that as a feature.

[Sajuro]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

My point is, if I spend 45 hours (my average playtime) working mostly on my team to keep them alive, why don't I get to have them with me in the next stage of the adventure? Why should I be treated like those who just ran through ME2 and ended up with a few teammates alive? A two-minute cameo is nothing I care for.

It's just not fair.

With all due respect, Phoenix, it's not fair to sell a game half empty for the same price to those folks that don't have a "good" save to import. If you do, well, good for you, you're entitled to bonuses.

With all due respect, Zulu, it's not fair to those who actually were able to complete the Suicide Mission with everyone alive to pander to the people who sucked enough to get a lot of their squad killed. If you are talking about people who killed the characters they didn't like then you are getting exactly what you wanted, none of the content related to said character not Bioware's fault you wanted to kill some people.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

My point is, if I spend 45 hours (my average playtime) working mostly on my team to keep them alive, why don't I get to have them with me in the next stage of the adventure? Why should I be treated like those who just ran through ME2 and ended up with a few teammates alive? A two-minute cameo is nothing I care for.

It's just not fair.

With all due respect, Phoenix, it's not fair to sell a game half empty for the same price to those folks that don't have a "good" save to import. If you do, well, good for you, you're entitled to bonuses.

Point taken.

I'm patiently waiting for the ME3 announcement. I'm sure we'll know everything then.

[Zulu_DFA]

TMA LIVE wrote...

The Gibbed Save Editor is more of a hack. I think that'll just screw up your import. Thus they won't bother with that.

They won't bother to screw me over my hacks. ME1: using glitches for cheating screwed up the saves, using console commands for cheating did not.

TMA LIVE wrote...
And ME1 still started with Ash/Kaidan/Liara running towards you. So they might need someone to fill that role.

A placeholder with 3 variables - cheers to BioWare. A placeholder with 11 variables - I can't see it coming. Besides, for all those "running towards you" expect the second (and the last) of the "bridging" DLCs.

TMA LIVE wrote...
Another thing is, in ME3, you might have to start kicking people off your ship in order to make room for new people. We don't know if they'll add that as a feature.

That'd be a great feature, but 90% of the people prefer a smaller number of more interactive squadmates over a larger number of less interactive squadmates. So that'll be a feature for another game, I suppose.

Sajuro wrote...
With all due respect, Zulu, it's not fair to those who actually were able to complete the Suicide Mission with everyone alive to pander to the people who sucked enough to get a lot of their squad killed. If you are talking about people who killed the characters they didn't like then you are getting exactly what you wanted, none of the content related to said character not Bioware's fault you wanted to kill some people.

Being able to complete the "suicide mission" with everyone alive is its own just reward.

But you had to think hard and seriously rush through the game to get everyone killed. So it warrants its own "achievement".

Of couse, both things are easily attainable by cheating. So will you enjoy your ME3 bonuses that much, knowing that some Zulu guy has them too, although he sucks at games? Mwa-ha-ha-ha!!!

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
I'm patiently waiting for the ME3 announcement. I'm sure we'll know everything then.

Nah. They'll be PRBS-ing us up until the release. Safest course of action: expect ME3 to suck hard. Then you'll probably be pleasantly surprised in the end!

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 05 octobre 2010 - 05:47 .

[Sajuro]

Yes I will, because I feel games are better the more people enjoy them. Thank for asking Zulu

[Zulu_DFA]

Sajuro wrote...

Yes I will, because I feel games are better the more people enjoy them.

That's why I think BioWare will try to make ME3 enjoyable regardless of any previous experience you will have had with the series. They say it themselves: standalone.

Sajuro wrote...
Thank for asking Zulu

The pleasure is mine.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 05 octobre 2010 - 06:00 .

[crimzontearz]

uh.....how is it nopt fair to let people deal with the consequences of their actions (read playing ME2 ****** poorly)? isn't that what ME was all about as a serie?



also



Dragon Age had what? 10 party-members?..Shale, Zevran, Morrigan, Wynne, Lelianna, Alistair/Logain, Oghren, Sten and Dog (...ok....Dog we cannot really REALLY count but so we can't count Kasumi or Zaeed) and Bioware managed to make them VERY interactive with tons of party banter so why in HELL can't they do the same in ME?



oh wait, I forgot....ME is now aimed to bring in the "average" gamer and not the RPG players.....guess all we can do (by we I mean the RPG players) is hope for the best but buy lots of astroglide just to be sure

[Zulu_DFA]

crimzontearz wrote...

uh.....how is it nopt fair to let people deal with the consequences of their actions (read playing ME2 ****** poorly)? isn't that what ME was all about as a serie?

Having the squad alive IS the consequences! Enjoy.

[Godeskian]

This thread makes me feel all inadequate given that I'm not perfect and so many here are.



I mean, am I really the only one here who decided that garrus, being the only team member besides tali to lose his entire team should in no way have been leading a fireteam?

[wizardryforever]

Godeskian wrote...

This thread makes me feel all inadequate given that I'm not perfect and so many here are.

I mean, am I really the only one here who decided that garrus, being the only team member besides tali to lose his entire team should in no way have been leading a fireteam?

Well technically he lost his team because Sidonis betrayed him at gunpoint, not because he was a bad leader, like Zaeed.  Garrus' team was quite successful otherwise, pissing off three major merc groups to the point that they banded together to take them out.  I'd say that makes Garrus a good leader.

[crimzontearz]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

uh.....how is it nopt fair to let people deal with the consequences of their actions (read playing ME2 ****** poorly)? isn't that what ME was all about as a serie?

Having the squad alive IS the consequences! Enjoy.

Well...that is not an answer.How is it unfair to make people deal with the consequences of their actions

[Elite Midget]

Doubt it since it would mean less max squad members for default Shepards and thus alienate new gamers into the ME Universe.



Last time I checked Default Shepard could get the same amount of SM in ME2 as an imported one. Thus I doubt saving everyone will give anything more than cameos. If they died? Oh well, not gonna effect the trilogy that much anyways since we'll most likely get a new squad of new characters.

[Zulu_DFA]

crimzontearz wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

uh.....how is it nopt fair to let people deal with the consequences of their actions (read playing ME2 ****** poorly)? isn't that what ME was all about as a serie?

Having the squad alive IS the consequences! Enjoy.

Well...that is not an answer. How is it unfair to make people deal with the consequences of their actions

Those that lost people will have to deal with no cameos. Those that saved all will enjoy all the cameos.

You can't seriously expect Shepard to not be able to recruit a new bunch of fashion show winners to save the Galaxy once more.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 05 octobre 2010 - 11:08 .

[RiouHotaru]

I love how Zulu goes on about how they can't possibly do it because there's "too many variables" and "standalone game."



It'll likely be the same as ME2: There's a default Shepard for people who couldn't be bothered to play the original and import a save, which will be the worst of both worlds (Honestly, the default non-import Shepard made some HORRIBLE decisions, we can agree on that). BUT for those folks who took the time to complete ME2 and do sidequests and keep people alive will be properly awarded for their efforts as they should be.



Arguing "too many combinations" and "production costs" just doesn't fly anymore. Bioware has a lot of time in which to do it.



Also, Zulu, you said yourself the "everyone dead" Hack keeps you from leaving the Normandy...what makes you think you'll be able to leave in ME3 and recruit anyone?

[Zulu_DFA]

RiouHotaru wrote...

I love how Zulu goes on about how they can't possibly do it because there's "too many variables" and "standalone game."

It'll likely be the same as ME2: There's a default Shepard for people who couldn't be bothered to play the original and import a save, which will be the worst of both worlds (Honestly, the default non-import Shepard made some HORRIBLE decisions, we can agree on that). BUT for those folks who took the time to complete ME2 and do sidequests and keep people alive will be properly awarded for their efforts as they should be.

Arguing "too many combinations" and "production costs" just doesn't fly anymore. Bioware has a lot of time in which to do it.

Still, it would be wiser to dedicate resources to developing a brand new invariable Quarian character, than to splitting them between the exiled Tali, betrayed Tali, and acqutted Tali, that may or may not be romanced or dumped in favor of Miranda, or told to back down in her little chat with Legion... Thats about 5-6 Talis that ain't dead and all of those 5-6 different Talis should react differently to Shepard...

And it's never been a given that ME2 squadmates are to return even as cameos instead of e-mails, so I wonder where did you get this "any more" stuff?

And no, we can't agree that the default Shepard made horrible decisions.

RiouHotaru wrote...
Also, Zulu, you said yourself the "everyone dead" Hack keeps you from leaving the Normandy...what makes you think you'll be able to leave in ME3 and recruit anyone?

The ME3 opewning plot twist, that'll make it a standalone game.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 05 octobre 2010 - 11:27 .

[RiouHotaru]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Still, it would be wiser to dedicate resources to developing a brand new invariable Quarian character, than to splitting them between the exiled Tali, betrayed Tali, and acqutted Tali, that may or may not be romanced or dumped in favor of Miranda, or told to back down in her little chat with Legion... Thats about 5-6 Talis that ain't dead and all of those 5-6 different Talis should react differently to Shepard...

And it's never been a given that ME2 squadmates are to return even as cameos instead of e-mails, so I wonder where did you get this "any more" stuff?

Well, perhaps they won't have to account for 5-6 different Talis.  Also, the only thing that these 5-6 Talis changes is the dialog, and recording excess lines isn't new for Bioware.  Look at all the threads regarding cut dialog.  Getting the VA to say different reactions isn't an issue.  Also, dumping Tali in favor of Miranda doesn't produce a specific reaction, that I can tell.

To counter your statement, it's never been a given that they WON'T return.  Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The ME3 opewning plot twist, that'll make it a standalone game.

I hope for your sake it works out like that.  If they start you out on the Normandy or something you could end up with a broken game.  Remember, they removed the "infinite skill-point glitch" because it could corrupt files.

[Sajuro]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Yes I will, because I feel games are better the more people enjoy them.

That's why I think BioWare will try to make ME3 enjoyable regardless of any previous experience you will have had with the series. They say it themselves: standalone.

Sajuro wrote...
Thank for asking Zulu

The pleasure is mine.

I'm sure it will be plenty enjoyable at its main story, all the content will be sweet icing that you'll have to keep your team to see. You could always keep them in one of your non canon playthroughs Zulu to get all the enjoyment of 3 without ruining your personal narrative, everyone wins

Modifié par Sajuro, 05 octobre 2010 - 11:51 .

[Sajuro]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

uh.....how is it nopt fair to let people deal with the consequences of their actions (read playing ME2 ****** poorly)? isn't that what ME was all about as a serie?

Having the squad alive IS the consequences! Enjoy.

Well...that is not an answer. How is it unfair to make people deal with the consequences of their actions

Those that lost people will have to deal with no cameos. Those that saved all will enjoy all the cameos.

You can't seriously expect Shepard to not be able to recruit a new bunch of fashion show winners to save the Galaxy once more.

What if people had the choice of keeping their squadmates or getting the new one so someone who didn't like Tali just wouldn't recruit her again and pick another engineer or someone else entirely.
Asari Harem

[Zulu_DFA]

RiouHotaru wrote...

To counter your statement, it's never been a given that they WON'T return.  Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

It's been strongly suggested, though. By keeping the really important characters - Liara and Ashley/Kaidan out of the ME2 squad.

RiouHotaru wrote...
I hope for your sake it works out like that.  If they start you out on the Normandy or something you could end up with a broken game.  Remember, they removed the "infinite skill-point glitch" because it could corrupt files.

Glitches do corrupt files. It's something that wasn't planned for. Such simple things as plot flags were planned for and they only switch content on/off, independently of each other. So I doubt any harm can come out of altering them in the Save Editor as opposed to the game itself. It ain't rocket science, after all.

There are some minor "glitches", however, with absolutely legitimate saves. For instance, if you get Garrus killed on the "suicide mission" and later come to Omega or Donovan Hock's party, the game seems to think that Garrus hasn't been recruited and is still beseiged by the mercs. But Emily Vong reports the death of Sidonis on the Citadel. So if BioWare really want to spare themselves a lot of headaches, and avoid this minefield of Conrad Verner -style glitches as much as possible (while they deal with really important loose ends of the main story line), they will keep the ME2 squad comeback short and simple. Hence, it's either a cameo, or a Zaeed-like DLC minus the loyalty mission, or at the very most a one-two mission stint LotSB-like (but still playable even without the featured squadmate).

[Zulu_DFA]

Sajuro wrote...
You could always keep them in one of your non canon playthroughs Zulu to get all the enjoyment of 3 without ruining your personal narrative, everyone wins

I could. But I don't have a non-canon playthrough. ME2 was as bad as that.

Sajuro wrote...

What if people had the choice of keeping their squadmates or getting the new one so someone who didn't like Tali just wouldn't recruit her again and pick another engineer or someone else entirely.
Asari Harem

Would even trade Zaeed for Gianna Parasini. But BioWare can't make 30+ squadmates old and new. So they'll make Liara, probably VS, possibly Legion and 4-6 brand new ones. The rest - as I said, cameo/DLCs.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 06 octobre 2010 - 12:12 .