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[tool_bot]

fyi, the last post under my account wasn't mine. A buddy was using my laptop and the browser was opened to this site.

Anyway, I was thinking she should have lived if just to provide some kind of proof against Howe. I understand you surviving should have provided that but as we know you'd been drafted at this point and would be riding off into battle very soon. She would have no other engagments and would be free to bring up a case against Howe and expose his plot.

This might have spared the HN a lot of trouble later in the game.

Modifié par tool_bot, 04 octobre 2010 - 10:08 .

[kag666]

I don't mind her decision at all, imo he'd stay and die with his wife if the situation was reversed.

Plus the game has enough choices to keep me busy, I try not to sweat over what the programmed characters do.
I love when a choice I make leads to a cutscene, one of my favorites is spraying gallons of loghain blood on people.

Modifié par kag666, 04 octobre 2010 - 11:58 .

[Burritos]

I hated my mom

[Costin_Razvan]

I asked my mother, ( who is an old woman ) on what she would have done.



To quote her: "A mother is always responsible for her children above all else. It is not something she can ignore and still be considered a good parent."

[thesuperdarkone]

Burritos wrote...

I hated my mom

 

[TJPags]

She stayed with her dying husband, and used that opportunity to hold soldiers up so her child could escape.



What on earth is wrong with that?

[Zjarcal]

@thesuperdarkone:

I know!

@TJPags:

I agree. When your house has been rampaged, your daughter in law and grandchild killed, and your husband is lying in a pool of his own blood, rational decisions are the last thing you're going to be making.

And as you stated, her decision did help the HN in a way.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 05 octobre 2010 - 02:37 .

[Sarah1281]

I agree. When your house has been rampaged, your daughter in law and grandchild killed, and your husband is lying in a pool of his own blood, rational decisions are the last thing you're going to be making.

Irrational decisions are rarely GOOD decisions. Under the circumstances, I don't think anyone's judging her but I feel that she really did make a horrible decision to just essentially commit suicide instead of going with her child. Fergus could have died at Ostagar and then it would only be the HN GW to try and stand against Howe and Duncan made it clear that being a GW took precedence to dealing with Howe.

[TJPags]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I agree. When your house has been rampaged, your daughter in law and grandchild killed, and your husband is lying in a pool of his own blood, rational decisions are the last thing you're going to be making.

Irrational decisions are rarely GOOD decisions. Under the circumstances, I don't think anyone's judging her but I feel that she really did make a horrible decision to just essentially commit suicide instead of going with her child. Fergus could have died at Ostagar and then it would only be the HN GW to try and stand against Howe and Duncan made it clear that being a GW took precedence to dealing with Howe.

So, should the old lady have left her husband to cough his life out alone, or should she have slit his throat herself to speed it up?
And then hope she didn't slow her child down as they tried to escape?

I think she did the only thing she could.  Frankly, I'd likely have done it myself.

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I agree. When your house has been rampaged, your daughter in law and grandchild killed, and your husband is lying in a pool of his own blood, rational decisions are the last thing you're going to be making.

Irrational decisions are rarely GOOD decisions. Under the circumstances, I don't think anyone's judging her but I feel that she really did make a horrible decision to just essentially commit suicide instead of going with her child. Fergus could have died at Ostagar and then it would only be the HN GW to try and stand against Howe and Duncan made it clear that being a GW took precedence to dealing with Howe.

That's your view and I respect it.

As I said in the second post of this thread, if the option was available, my HNF would've also stayed with them. Call me a hopeless romantic if you will. It's an emotional choice for sure (and without a doubt not the best one), but it's what I really wanted to do.

[Sarah1281]

TJPags wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I agree. When your house has been rampaged, your daughter in law and grandchild killed, and your husband is lying in a pool of his own blood, rational decisions are the last thing you're going to be making.

Irrational decisions are rarely GOOD decisions. Under the circumstances, I don't think anyone's judging her but I feel that she really did make a horrible decision to just essentially commit suicide instead of going with her child. Fergus could have died at Ostagar and then it would only be the HN GW to try and stand against Howe and Duncan made it clear that being a GW took precedence to dealing with Howe.

So, should the old lady have left her husband to cough his life out alone, or should she have slit his throat herself to speed it up?
And then hope she didn't slow her child down as they tried to escape?

I think she did the only thing she could.  Frankly, I'd likely have done it myself.

Should she have left like Bryce asked her to? Yes. She was hardly breathing hard or showing any signs that she would actually slow anyone down. I'm not judging her for not doing that. I'm saying that it was an emotional decision that I disagree with and wish she had chosen otherwise. Just because it's sentimental and other people could see themselves doing the same thing doesn't make it the right decision.

[TJPags]

Zjarcal wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I agree. When your house has been rampaged, your daughter in law and grandchild killed, and your husband is lying in a pool of his own blood, rational decisions are the last thing you're going to be making.

Irrational decisions are rarely GOOD decisions. Under the circumstances, I don't think anyone's judging her but I feel that she really did make a horrible decision to just essentially commit suicide instead of going with her child. Fergus could have died at Ostagar and then it would only be the HN GW to try and stand against Howe and Duncan made it clear that being a GW took precedence to dealing with Howe.

That's your view and I respect it.

As I said in the second post of this thread, if the option was available, my HNF would've also stayed with them. Call me a hopeless romantic if you will. It's an emotional choice for sure (and without a doubt not the best one), but it's what I really wanted to do.

What I really wanted to do was drag pop Cous out the there by his ankles if i had to.  May not have saved him, but I REALLY didn't like leaving him there, alive, for Howe's men to butcher.

So maybe I'm a hopeless romantic also.

[Zjarcal]

TJPags wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I agree. When your house has been rampaged, your daughter in law and grandchild killed, and your husband is lying in a pool of his own blood, rational decisions are the last thing you're going to be making.

Irrational decisions are rarely GOOD decisions. Under the circumstances, I don't think anyone's judging her but I feel that she really did make a horrible decision to just essentially commit suicide instead of going with her child. Fergus could have died at Ostagar and then it would only be the HN GW to try and stand against Howe and Duncan made it clear that being a GW took precedence to dealing with Howe.

That's your view and I respect it.

As I said in the second post of this thread, if the option was available, my HNF would've also stayed with them. Call me a hopeless romantic if you will. It's an emotional choice for sure (and without a doubt not the best one), but it's what I really wanted to do.

What I really wanted to do was drag pop Cous out the there by his ankles if i had to.  May not have saved him, but I REALLY didn't like leaving him there, alive, for Howe's men to butcher.

So maybe I'm a hopeless romantic also.

Yeah, THAT'S what I would've done as well. There's simply no way that I would leave a loved one who was still breathing behind.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Eleanor's decision was not good, or smart, or rational. But still understandable.

If I had the choice, I'd probably have knocked her unconscious and dragged her out.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 05 octobre 2010 - 02:57 .

[TJPags]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Eleanor's decision was not good, or smart, or rational. But still understandable.

If I had the choice, I'd probably have knocked her unconscious and dragged her out.

Perhaps not rational, I can understand.  Maybe even not smart.

But not good?  I can't see that.  I really can't.

Knock mom unconscious, and drag her away from your dying father who you're leaving to die alone?  That's good?

Modifié par TJPags, 05 octobre 2010 - 03:10 .

[tool_bot]

TJPags wrote...

Knock mom unconscious, and drag her away from your dying father who you're leaving to die alone?  That's good?

Alone?

Isn't there a castle filled with servants dying with him?

[Sarah1281]

TJPags wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Eleanor's decision was not good, or smart, or rational. But still understandable.

If I had the choice, I'd probably have knocked her unconscious and dragged her out.

Not good, and perhaps not rational, I can understand.

But not good?  I can't see that.  I really can't.

Knock mom unconscious, and drag her away from your dying father who you're leaving to die alone?  That's good?

Bryce, with the way he begged Duncan to take you AND his wife to safety, would have been perfectly fine with it. Eleanor would be upset, naturally, but she'd still be alive and you and her could help each other try to come to terms with what had happened.

[KnightofPhoenix]

TJPags wrote...
Not good, and perhaps not rational, I can understand.

But not good?  I can't see that.  I really can't.

Knock mom unconscious, and drag her away from your dying father who you're leaving to die alone?  That's good?

Ugh, hence why I hesitate using that word. By "not good", I meant should not have been done. I am not petty enough to start using moral judgements on this. 

And yes for your question. That's "good". Bryce is dying, nothing can stop it. Howe wants to kill us all. Leaving is the only option. Eleanor was not dying and she did not need to die.
A hard choice. But are you going to call me "evil" for it now?  

[RavenousBear]

It is a tough choice that had to be made within moments. I do not fault her for staying by her husband for his final moments or would I fault her if she left with her son/daughter. I have no idea what I would have done if I were in her shoes. Part of me would want to tear apart Howe's thugs until the very end, the other leaving with my son/daughter with Duncan and hopefully punish Howe for his treachery.

[TJPags]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

TJPags wrote...
Not good, and perhaps not rational, I can understand.

But not good?  I can't see that.  I really can't.

Knock mom unconscious, and drag her away from your dying father who you're leaving to die alone?  That's good?

Ugh, hence why I hesitate using that word. By "not good", I meant should not have been done. I am not petty enough to start using moral judgements on this. 

And yes for your question. That's "good". Bryce is dying, nothing can stop it. Howe wants to kill us all. Leaving is the only option. Eleanor was not dying and she did not need to die.
A hard choice. But are you going to call me "evil" for it now?  

Nope, not planning on calling you evil for that choice.  It's what Bryce wanted, and what seems the best choice.  Just not one I'd be inclined to take, prsonally.

I was more concerned with your choice of language, but I understand what you meant now.

[Asepsis]

I think she made a decision she thought was right, just imagine seeing a loved one laying in a pool of their own blood, it'd be pretty hard to leave them even with a bunch of angry Howe soldiers banging on the door.

Was it the right decision? I'd want revenge, and I'd want as many people as possible hear about Howe's treachery, but I'd also prefer NOT leaving my loved one to die.

I dunno if I could have left my Dad there.

Eleanor made the decision, good on her for whatever reason she made it.

Modifié par Asepsis, 05 octobre 2010 - 03:22 .

[Obadiah]

I thought the human noble origin really brought home the message of duty and sacrifice of the Couslands even more than the legends of the Grey Wardens. Your mother stays to defend your escape to the death, and your dying father flat out tells you that before vengeance, you have a duty to stop the blight.

Yikes.

I look at Eleanor's decision like this: it was her's to make. If my kid's escape depended on me dying, I might do the same.

[Sarah1281]

Obadiah wrote...

I thought the human noble origin really brought home the message of duty and sacrifice of the Couslands even more than the legends of the Grey Wardens. Your mother stays to defend your escape to the death, and your dying father flat out tells you that before vengeance, you have a duty to stop the blight.

Yikes.

I look at Eleanor's decision like this: it was her's to make. If my kid's escape depended on me dying, I might do the same.

It didn't. Duncan told Bryce that he could take both of them to safety. Eleanor refused to leave Bryce. It had little to do with her kid and more to do with her inability to leave her dying husband.

[Obadiah]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

I thought the human noble origin really brought home the message of duty and sacrifice of the Couslands even more than the legends of the Grey Wardens. Your mother stays to defend your escape to the death, and your dying father flat out tells you that before vengeance, you have a duty to stop the blight.

Yikes.

I look at Eleanor's decision like this: it was her's to make. If my kid's escape depended on me dying, I might do the same.

It didn't. Duncan told Bryce that he could take both of them to safety. Eleanor refused to leave Bryce. It had little to do with her kid and more to do with her inability to leave her dying husband.

Regardless of what Duncan said he would do, it would be an attempt to escape. Nothing was guaranteed. Eleanor wanted to give her child more of a chance.

Modifié par Obadiah, 05 octobre 2010 - 03:28 .

[tool_bot]

Obadiah wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

I thought the human noble origin really brought home the message of duty and sacrifice of the Couslands even more than the legends of the Grey Wardens. Your mother stays to defend your escape to the death, and your dying father flat out tells you that before vengeance, you have a duty to stop the blight.

Yikes.

I look at Eleanor's decision like this: it was her's to make. If my kid's escape depended on me dying, I might do the same.

It didn't. Duncan told Bryce that he could take both of them to safety. Eleanor refused to leave Bryce. It had little to do with her kid and more to do with her inability to leave her dying husband.

Regardless of what Duncan said he would do, it would be an attempt to escape. Nothing was guaranteed. Eleanor wanted to give her child more of a chance.

I haven't done the human Origion (never going to either) but this doesn't make much sense to me. Howe has a small army there and from what I understand what's his face and Eleanor are in a tiny room away from it all. How could she hope to cause any kind of delay that simply being so far from the fight wouldn't cause itself?