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[upsettingshorts]

The romances usually bug me a little on the suspension of disbelief front. Some of them happen in such a way that I find the characters claims of deeper emotional attachment - love - as hard to believe. Worst offender at least in my opinion was the Miranda romance. She dropped the L word, it seemed, out of nowhere.



I remain firmly convinced that the Miranda LI should have been about lust. I never bought any deep emotional connection with her and Shepard.

[AlexXIV]

GodWood wrote...

Ayanko wrote...
I can actually see Hawke killing Bethanys love interest, if she does have one. Causing some sort of argument between the two.

Why would Hawke kill Beth's LI?
And if you kill your sisters partner I'm sure you'll have more than "some sort of an argument".

Beth: You killed my man.
Hawke: Yep.
Beth: Why?
Hawke: He looked at my strangely.
Beth: Oh ... ok ...

[marshalleck]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

How about a game with no romances, that would be different.

Sure, why not?  I enjoyed Awakening, and it had no romances.  My favorite interactions with recent BioWare characters have been the non-romanceable ones: Sten, Legion, EDI, Mordin, Samara, Justice, Shale.  I want interesting, meaningful character interactions.  They don't have to be romances.

Bioware should force the community to go cold-turkey on romances and LIs for a while. That or just switch over to making dedicated dating sims. 

[Wulfram]

Ayanko wrote...

You forgot the Warden, silly
Cousland: Dead ex
City Elf Female: Dead ex
How depressing.

Don't you have to have talked to them more than on one or two occasions for them to count as an ex?  Ideally actually said something nice to them once, too.

[upsettingshorts]

marshalleck wrote...
Bioware should force the community to go cold-turkey on romances and LIs for a while.

Pitchforks.
Torches.

The forums would get ugly.  Sales and reviews would be fine, though.

[AlexXIV]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

The romances usually bug me a little on the suspension of disbelief front. Some of them happen in such a way that I find the characters claims of deeper emotional attachment - love - as hard to believe. Worst offender at least in my opinion was the Miranda romance. She dropped the L word, it seemed, out of nowhere.

I remain firmly convinced that the Miranda LI should have been about lust. I never bought any deep emotional connection with her and Shepard.

You assume that people who seem hard on the outside cannot be soft inside. Look at Sten, he is actually a softy too.

[GodWood]

AlexXIV wrote...
Well there is also Liara. You even get to be her first (and hopefully only).

You want her to remain chaste for 700 years when your PC dies.
You selfish bastard.

[AlexXIV]

GodWood wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
Well there is also Liara. You even get to be her first (and hopefully only).

You want her to remain chaste for 700 years when your PC dies.
You selfish bastard.

If she dies young, yes. Could as well be 1100.

[ENolan]

Sadly, we all have emotional baggage with us. Some more than others and that becomes a part of building someone up in the end. As they say, a hardened heart is easier to deal with than a fat shell. Literally, a shell made of fat. [DUUUDEE! Sorry, had to throw that reference in.]

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ayanko wrote...
 Since when did we need a reason to kill people in DA?

Best sentence ever 

AlexXIV wrote...

Well there is also Liara. You even get to be her first (and hopefully only).

I'm not saying there aren't exceptions to the dead ex/deadbeat dad thing.  I'm saying that it turns up often, and especially often among romance interests for female protagonists, though the guys did get Jaheira and Aribeth.  

Maybe I've played too many BioWare games (is there such a thing?) but when a particular device is used that frequently, it begins to lose its power to elicit sympathy.  It worked with Carth.  I didn't like Carth, but I did feel bad for him.  It worked with Aarin Gend, at least up until the "he killed his own girlfriend" bit.  Somewhere around Sky was where I began to think, "OK, heard this before, blah blah."  And by the time we got to Thane, I basically wanted to cold-stab the poor guy for sheer unoriginality.

[marshalleck]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
Bioware should force the community to go cold-turkey on romances and LIs for a while.

Pitchforks.
Torches.

The forums would get ugly.  Sales and reviews would be fine, though.

As if they aren't already with all the retrogrouches coming out of their holes to bark at Bioware each time they release a new game that isn't a carbon copy of Baldur's Gate II? :happy:

[upsettingshorts]

AlexXIV wrote...
You assume that people who seem hard on the outside cannot be soft inside.

No, that had nothing to do with my point.

I have no problem with the idea of Miranda and Shepard having a deeper, emotional relationship, I just didn't buy the way it was presented in ME2.  It would have made more sense to me if they were attracted to each other and had a physical relationship based on that, and based on stress relief - as implied by other characters like Mordin and Garrus.

Now let's say the relationship could be imported into ME3.  They would have survived the suicide mission and had time to reflect on what they had and whether or not to move on or take the relationship to another level.

That I would have bought.  And I think it would have been better. 

marshalleck wrote...
 As if they aren't already with all the retrogrouches coming out of their holes to bark at Bioware each time they release a new game that isn't a carbon copy of Baldur's Gate II? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]

I like the term reactionaries.  But imagine them being allied with the Talimancers.  It would be a forum apocalypse.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 04 octobre 2010 - 05:56 .

[Herr Uhl]

GodWood wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
Well there is also Liara. You even get to be her first (and hopefully only).

You want her to remain chaste for 700 years when your PC dies.
You selfish bastard.

Shepard has died once and potentially could have died twice and will still be in the third installment.

You think age matters at this point?

[tmp7704]

GodWood wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
Well there is also Liara. You even get to be her first (and hopefully only).

You want her to remain chaste for 700 years when your PC dies.
You selfish bastard.

Well, it doesn't count if it's elf so it's just matter of discovering some space elves...

[AlexXIV]

Herr Uhl wrote...

GodWood wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
Well there is also Liara. You even get to be her first (and hopefully only).

You want her to remain chaste for 700 years when your PC dies.
You selfish bastard.

Shepard has died once and potentially could have died twice and will still be in the third installment.

You think age matters at this point?

He could let the reapers turn him to one of them and live forever.

[marshalleck]

Herr Uhl wrote...

GodWood wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
Well there is also Liara. You even get to be her first (and hopefully only).

You want her to remain chaste for 700 years when your PC dies.
You selfish bastard.

Shepard has died once and potentially could have died twice and will still be in the third installment. You think age matters at this point? 

If Shepard died at the end of your ME2, you can't import that game into ME3. So (s)he won't be back. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 04 octobre 2010 - 05:58 .

[Ayanko]

Wulfram wrote...

Ayanko wrote...

You forgot the Warden, silly
Cousland: Dead ex
City Elf Female: Dead ex
How depressing.

Don't you have to have talked to them more than on one or two occasions for them to count as an ex?  Ideally actually said something nice to them once, too.

I think I said something complimentay to Iona and faked an interest in her child. And then I'm pretty sure I said something during and after said engagement. And of course we talked before she died...by an arrow in the shoulder (Which also seemed to be the same place the warden got hit with arrows, seriously need extra shoulder armour) but yeah, I count her as an ex.

[GodWood]

AlexXIV wrote...

GodWood wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
Well there is also Liara. You even get to be her first (and hopefully only).

You want her to remain chaste for 700 years when your PC dies.
You selfish bastard.

If she dies young, yes. Could as well be 1100.

...
wat?

[LiquidGrape]

Personally, I don't think it's that big an issue. Any "trope" is fine, as long as the writing holds up.

All I would ask is that Raphael Sbarge is kept well away from the recording studio.

[Sable Rhapsody]

The Director wrote...

Sadly, we all have emotional baggage with us. Some more than others and that becomes a part of building someone up in the end. As they say, a hardened heart is easier to deal with than a fat shell. Literally, a shell made of fat. [DUUUDEE! Sorry, had to throw that reference in.]

Emotional baggage is fine.  Getting hit with the same bloody cargo freighter time and again...gets a bit old.  

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I like the term reactionaries.  But imagine them being allied with the Talimancers.  It would be a forum apocalypse.

Remember the RAGE over Awakening not having any romances?  I did have issues with Awakening, specifically its bugginess.  But it was fun and I really enjoyed the NPC companions.  And the fact that I couldn't gauge the size of Anders' staff did not diminish that enjoyment one jot.

I can understand why people get passionate about romances--we do the same thing in real life.  Most of my PCs have romanced somebody.  Though there isn't any one game where I place super-high importance on the romance...except maybe ME2.  Garrus 

[ENolan]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

The Director wrote...

Sadly, we all have emotional baggage with us. Some more than others and that becomes a part of building someone up in the end. As they say, a hardened heart is easier to deal with than a fat shell. Literally, a shell made of fat. [DUUUDEE! Sorry, had to throw that reference in.]

Emotional baggage is fine.  Getting hit with the same bloody cargo freighter time and again...gets a bit old.  

I remember when I got hit by a cargo freighter years back. [Sits down in a rocking chair.] It was the fall of....... [Everyone immediately slips off into a gentle slumber.]

[EmperorSahlertz]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Sheryl Chee wrote...

No dead ex? Gotcha.

LI: Hey, you remind me of this girl I once fell in love with.
PC: Oh, yeah? What happened to her? She's not dead, is she?
LI: Dead?! Of course not. It just didn't work out. She was kind of high maintainance. We still hook up once in a while. You don't mind, do you?

To be 100% honest, it'd be a nice change of pace from the usual fare   Honestly, the graveyards in the Forgotten Realms are probably full of dead exes at the rate they pop up.

I don't have a problem with the dead ex/deadbeat dad thing in and of itself.  It's a literary device like any other.  I'd just like to see something different.  And a living, high maintanance ex is certainly different.  

Aren't all graveyards, technically, full of dead-exs?

[AlexXIV]

Not to mention that it is really bad style to talk about ex's on first date. Or second. Or third.

[Ayanko]

Made me wonder why in DA:O not once was your ex mentioned or could you bring them up into a conversation.

I would have least thought it could have popped up in the "Are you a virgin" Talk with Alistair.

[AlexXIV]

Ayanko wrote...

Made me wonder why in DA:O not once was your ex mentioned or could you bring them up into a conversation.
I would have least thought it could have popped up in the "Are you a virgin" Talk with Alistair.

I don't know what you mean. I only talked about lampposts.