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[Ayanko]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Ayanko wrote...

Also, the one that didn't have an ex "Alistair" was socially arkward, he was goofy and didn't know what he was doing. Sure that appeals to some but to others it's just...."Euh, go away"

Morrigan, Dawn Star, Silk Fox, Aerie, Liara, Garrus, Tali, and Viconia didn't have exes either, at least not ones that were brought up in-game.  Their personalities and approaches toward the PC were wildly different from one another.  

Morrigan had many Ex's if you friendzone her as a male. She'll tell you. But still, does it actually matter if they have ex's or not? But back to Morrigan looking at her past, I assume there dead specially from the stories she said about her mother using men untill they was spent and then killing them..

Modifié par Ayanko, 04 octobre 2010 - 07:10 .

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I don't think the "issue" - if indeed there is one and I'm not sure there is - is the notion of using the plot device of a dead ex to give insight into the character. Like Zevran's dead-ex being used as a window into his own existential crisis.



Not the existence or non-existences of exes themselves.

[_-Greywolf-_]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Ayanko wrote...

Also, the one that didn't have an ex "Alistair" was socially arkward, he was goofy and didn't know what he was doing. Sure that appeals to some but to others it's just...."Euh, go away"

Morrigan, Dawn Star, Silk Fox, Aerie, Liara, Garrus, Tali, and Viconia didn't have exes either, at least not ones that were brought up in-game.  Their personalities and approaches toward the PC were wildly different from one another.  

Actually Viconia did have exes, 2 of them she got sick of and hunted for sport and the other slept with her sister.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ayanko wrote...

True, but I wouldn't throw myself to the wolves (Lets say griffins) if it was a friend or work colleague. It was someone he was smitten with and well...loved. Like I said before love makes people do that sort of thing.

And I'm saying there are multiple kinds of love.  Familial love, the love between close friends, even the kind of love that Atton experienced during his little mind-screw crisis in KOTOR 2.  It doesn't have to be romantic love, and it can work just as well without employing a consistently used literary device.

Meh.  To each their own.  I don't like the consistent use of the dead ex thing because I could go for more variety, and I think it's unnecessary.  Still, I concede that it's a relatively minor point to pick out in a series of narratives that have over all been pretty solid.  But this is the social site, we exist to pick out minor points 

EDIT: Also, my mistake on Morrigan and Viconia.  But the point still stands that just because an LI doesn't have exes (that we know of), that LI is going to turn out like Alistair.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 04 octobre 2010 - 07:12 .

[Ayanko]

Suprised people haven't started Fitting about Taliesen yet.

[Ayanko]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Ayanko wrote...

True, but I wouldn't throw myself to the wolves (Lets say griffins) if it was a friend or work colleague. It was someone he was smitten with and well...loved. Like I said before love makes people do that sort of thing.

And I'm saying there are multiple kinds of love.  Familial love, the love between close friends, even the kind of love that Atton experienced during his little mind-screw crisis in KOTOR 2.  It doesn't have to be romantic love, and it can work just as well without employing a consistently used literary device.

Meh.  To each their own.  I don't like the consistent use of the dead ex thing because I could go for more variety, and I think it's unnecessary.  Still, I concede that it's a relatively minor point to pick out in a series of narratives that have over all been pretty solid.  But this is the social site, we exist to pick out minor points 

EDIT: Also, my mistake on Morrigan and Viconia.  But the point still stands that just because an LI doesn't have exes (that we know of), that LI is going to turn out like Alistair.

Meh, I just think its easy to judge someone by their spouse, or their past spouses. And just makes it more interesting for the player.

Modifié par Ayanko, 04 octobre 2010 - 07:14 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ayanko wrote...
Meh, I just think its easy to judge someone by their spouse, or their past spouses. And just makes it more interesting for the player.

Erm...maybe I'm missing something, but we don't know a lot about some of these people's exes.  We know quite a bit about Morgana, Fenthick, Khalid, and Irikah, but that's because the dead ex thing is integral to Carth, Aribeth, Jaheira, and Thane's characterizations and motivations.  We know a little about Raina, and pretty much nothing about the exes for Kivan, Valen, Coran, Cernd, Aarin Gend, Viconia, Morrigan....yeah.  Kinda hard to judge.

[Ayanko]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Ayanko wrote...
Meh, I just think its easy to judge someone by their spouse, or their past spouses. And just makes it more interesting for the player.

Erm...maybe I'm missing something, but we don't know a lot about some of these people's exes.  We know quite a bit about Morgana, Fenthick, Khalid, and Irikah, but that's because the dead ex thing is integral to Carth, Aribeth, Jaheira, and Thane's characterizations and motivations.  We know a little about Raina, and pretty much nothing about the exes for Kivan, Valen, Coran, Cernd, Aarin Gend, Viconia, Morrigan....yeah.  Kinda hard to judge.

You know that their dead or w.e, and thats going to make you think. How did they die, did that person have something to do with the death. Are they ready for an relationship? It also gives you an understanding on why they don't want to be with you.
I know one thing, when you try to end it with Leliana. You can use the line "I don't want to loose you" If you look at the Warden's life you can see that they've lost alot family, Love interests. And this just backs up the feeling that the warden may be scared to loose someone else they love.

[Beerfish]

I imagine all of the ex's wearing the red security personal uniforms from star trek.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ayanko wrote...
You know that their dead or w.e, and thats going to make you think. How did they die, did that person have something to do with the death. Are they ready for an relationship? It also gives you an understanding on why they don't want to be with you.
I know one thing, when you try to end it with Leliana. You can use the line "I don't want to loose you" If you look at the Warden's life you can see that they've lost alot family, Love interests. And this just backs up the feeling that the warden may be scared to loose someone else they love.

True.  But honestly, I don't want to schlep through that train of thought over and over.  I'd rather schlep through that train of thought a couple of times, then schlep through some different ones.  Variety and all.  Alistair didn't have a dead ex.  The issues impeding his romance were ones of self-esteem, duty, bloodline, and sticking up for yourself.  Garrus, so far as we know, doesn't have a dead ex.  The train of thought for his romance involves your differing species, close friendship from the first game, and the fact that he and Shep are both damaged goods to a certain degree.  To be entirely honest, part of why I enjoy Alistair and Garrus so much is specifically BECAUSE they don't exhibit the same trope as a lot of other characters.  It's refreshing.

If I must play therapist to my NPC companions, at least give me a variety of things to fix 

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 04 octobre 2010 - 07:35 .

[Akka le Vil]

David Gaider wrote...

When the ex wasn't even really his issue. It was the fact he killed someone who didn't deserve it.

Well, she's hardly the only one he killed without her deserving it, to be honest

I was actually quite pleased about Marjolaine being alive (even if only for a short time). It made for a nice change.
And Sheryl makes me a bit worried. Is she only able to rest easy when her lover's exes are all dead ? You should work on your self-confidence, ma'am, I'm not sure that death is always required to feel safe

[Anarya]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Not to mention that it is really bad style to talk about ex's on first date. Or second. Or third.

Especially ones that you clearly aren't over.  *glares meaningfully at Thane and Carth*  AHEM.  

I don't think that Thane and Carth not exhibiting hate or apathy for their former loves means they aren't "over" them. I mean, obviously it's a different case when your relationship is ended against your will and without you ever having a chance to fall out of love with the person in question, and you're going to view that differently than a relationship that soured. However I don't think it means that the surviving partner will never be "over" their ex. I guess maybe I just don't believe in "soulmates" insofar as that means there's only one person out there who's destined for you and anyone else you love won't really be "true love". I think you can still have love in your heart for a past lover even if you've moved on and are able to love someone new.

Besides it's not like Thane or Carth are constantly talking about their ex-wives. Unless I'm remembering them incorrectly they only discuss their wives at length if you ask about them specifically.

Really I think exes are just a part of having an older romanceable character. You can get away with the blank slate if the guy is young like Alistair, but a guy in his late 30s who's never fallen in love before stretches believability, not to mention putting his social skills in serious question. Unless he's a priest or something.

[Anarya]

Akka le Vil wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

When the ex wasn't even really his issue. It was the fact he killed someone who didn't deserve it.

Well, she's hardly the only one he killed without her deserving it, to be honest

Probably not, but to him the others were just business. He wasn't the one who wanted them dead, he was just the weapon. When he killed his lover, it was completely his doing. No one had ordered him to do it, and that fact combined with the fact that he cared about her on a personal level kind of broke down the barrier between his conscience and his actions and made it an issue for him.

[_-Greywolf-_]

Personally I think Bioware should make a LI that is 50ft tall and mimics the mating ritual of the parying mantis, however that could be just me.



On the plus side at least nobody could say that she isnt unique.

[AlexXIV]

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

Personally I think Bioware should make a LI that is 50ft tall and mimics the mating ritual of the parying mantis, however that could be just me.

On the plus side at least nobody could say that she isnt unique.

Flemeth?

[Mary Kirby]

Due to Thane's overwhelming popularity, we decided that every romance in DA2 should have a dead former lover, spouse, fling, crush, or missed connection. In fact, each romanceable character in DA2 has more dead exes than the last!

[Ortaya Alevli]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Due to Thane's overwhelming popularity, we decided that every romance in DA2 should have a dead former lover, spouse, fling, crush, or missed connection. In fact, each romanceable character in DA2 has more dead exes than the last!

Good on you.

[Herr Uhl]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Due to Thane's overwhelming popularity, we decided that every romance in DA2 should have a dead former lover, spouse, fling, crush, or missed connection. In fact, each romanceable character in DA2 has more dead exes than the last!

I thought that the key to his popularity was that he was a walking hallucinogenic.

[upsettingshorts]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Due to Thane's overwhelming popularity, we decided that every romance in DA2 should have a dead former lover, spouse, fling, crush, or missed connection. In fact, each romanceable character in DA2 has more dead exes than the last!

They have to be dying too.  Romance without tragedy is so pre-Titanic (and pre-Avatar).

Damn you, James Cameron!

[Khayness]

Akka le Vil wrote...

And Sheryl makes me a bit worried. Is she only able to rest easy when her lover's exes are all dead ? You should work on your self-confidence, ma'am, I'm not sure that death is always required to feel safe

This reminds me of a certain webcomic strip

[Anarya]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Due to Thane's overwhelming popularity, we decided that every romance in DA2 should have a dead former lover, spouse, fling, crush, or missed connection. In fact, each romanceable character in DA2 has more dead exes than the last!

Watch your back, Mary. I think Saibh is gonna go after you. Like a ninja.

[NKKKK]

Wow the devs sure like to kick you people in the balls huh?

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Due to Thane's overwhelming popularity, we decided that every romance in DA2 should have a dead former lover, spouse, fling, crush, or missed connection. In fact, each romanceable character in DA2 has more dead exes than the last!

You wound me Mary!
What about the huge demand for Oghren romance?!

[Eudaemonium]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Due to Thane's overwhelming popularity, we decided that every romance in DA2 should have a dead former lover, spouse, fling, crush, or missed connection. In fact, each romanceable character in DA2 has more dead exes than the last!

LI: Hey, Hawke. I probably should have mentioned this, but those 4 guard contingents that got slaughtered near the start of the story? They were my exes.
Hawke: All of them?
LI: Yeah... I'm really broken up about it. I think I might sulk in this corner. And is this a good time to mention my 15 kids I never speak to?