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[joriandrake]

You know, there are people who like these characters, the world is not perfect with everyone having the same tastes.

[Sable Rhapsody]

joriandrake wrote...

You know, there are people who like these characters, the world is not perfect with everyone having the same tastes.

Just to reiterate for the frillionth time:  I have no problem with the trope in and of itself, I just want something different.  It does tend to get used a lot, and something different would be refreshing.  I like the majority of the characters I listed in the OP just fine.  (Yes, even Kaidan and Thane who I love to mock).

[General Malor]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Due to Thane's overwhelming popularity, we decided that every romance in DA2 should have a dead former lover, spouse, fling, crush, or missed connection. In fact, each romanceable character in DA2 has more dead exes than the last!

Any possiblitiy of zombie exs?

Twist!*Gasp*

[Sable Rhapsody]

General Malor wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

Due to Thane's overwhelming popularity, we decided that every romance in DA2 should have a dead former lover, spouse, fling, crush, or missed connection. In fact, each romanceable character in DA2 has more dead exes than the last!

Any possiblitiy of zombie exs?

What do we want?  BRAAAAAINS.  When do we want them?  BRAAAAAINS.

I now ship Thane/Zombie!Irikah.  And you can't stop me 

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 05 octobre 2010 - 12:04 .

[Tamyn]

scyphozoa wrote...

I find death is too common amongst the young and the fit. Dead exes are appropriate for seventy year olds, not for 20 and 30 year olds who are capable of running and fighting. I know there are plenty of reasons to justify the deaths of young people, like Sith lords and Blights, but in general, I do not identify with 30 year olds who bear the sorrows of 70 year olds. tragedy and youth is a distasteful combination.

That is an excellent point.

Why can we not have NPCs with exes that ended their relationship amicably? As Alistair says, it doesn't have to be all "death, and fighting, and tragedy."

IMO exes do not need to be brought up AT ALL (at least not individuals), considering the limited number of interactions we get to establish a romance with an LI.

Modifié par Tamyn, 05 octobre 2010 - 12:01 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Tamyn wrote...

That is an excellent point.

Why can we not have NPCs with exes that ended their relationship amicably? As Alistair says, it doesn't have to be all "death, and fighting, and tragedy."

IMO exes do not need to be brought up AT ALL (at least not individuals), considering the limited number of interactions we get to establish a romance with an LI.

Depends on the LI, I think, but I do agree.  All things equal, if the same character development point can be communicated with a literary device other than the ex, why not mix things up a little?  Now that I come to think of it, Garrus has an ex.  That turian scout.  Does she ever come up in the romance?  Nope, because it's not relevant--or at least not in any meaningful way other than as a funny conversational segue.  I don't quiz every guy I potentially date in real life on their exes, and I certainly don't expect them to bring it up unless it's important.  In fact, talking about your exes in great detail to the people you're dating is generally considered more than a bit impolitic.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 05 octobre 2010 - 12:09 .

[mousestalker]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Due to Thane's overwhelming popularity, we decided that every romance in DA2 should have a dead former lover, spouse, fling, crush, or missed connection. In fact, each romanceable character in DA2 has more dead exes than the last!

woot?

:innocent:

[syllogi]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Due to Thane's overwhelming popularity, we decided that every romance in DA2 should have a dead former lover, spouse, fling, crush, or missed connection. In fact, each romanceable character in DA2 has more dead exes than the last!

What about estranged and/or abandoned children?  My female player characters will only have intimate relations with a male character who left their children or had them kidnapped away from them.  It's a role playing thing.

[MisterDyslexo]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Due to Thane's overwhelming popularity, we decided that every romance in DA2 should have a dead former lover, spouse, fling, crush, or missed connection. In fact, each romanceable character in DA2 has more dead exes than the last!

Henry the VIII ??

[Sable Rhapsody]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

Due to Thane's overwhelming popularity, we decided that every romance in DA2 should have a dead former lover, spouse, fling, crush, or missed connection. In fact, each romanceable character in DA2 has more dead exes than the last!

Henry the VIII ??

Ouch.  Unfortunate implications are unfortunate 

Poor Henry.  He's the laughingstock of history.  He's also pretty damn low on the Civ V ranking totem pole, but he's not at the bottom.  I think Dan Quayle is at the bottom.

[Leonia]

Hm, well, they could be overly cliche and start doing some love triangles. You sort of get that with the Rowan-Katriel-Maric (though it's not quite as overt as say, Lancealot-Arthur-Geneviere) thing in the books. It certainly adds the "someone has to make a tough choice" element. I don't mind the normal romance options for female characters in Bioware games overall but a little variation is nice here or there.

[upsettingshorts]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
Poor Henry.  He's the laughingstock of history.

He is?  Which historians have you been reading, ones employed by the House of York? 

I submit my alternative choice as the monarch who is the laughing stock of history.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 05 octobre 2010 - 03:24 .

[Leonia]

I'm actually quite fond of Henry VIII, aside from his, um, choices in wives he had some interesting ideas.

[Arijharn]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Due to Thane's overwhelming popularity, we decided that every romance in DA2 should have a dead former lover, spouse, fling, crush, or missed connection. In fact, each romanceable character in DA2 has more dead exes than the last!

Yay! /clap XD

[hangmans tree]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Due to Thane's overwhelming popularity, we decided that every romance in DA2 should have a dead former lover, spouse, fling, crush, or missed connection. In fact, each romanceable character in DA2 has more dead exes than the last!

Don't forget to add incurable disease! Or a curse that prevents the player to touch ones skin...affliction...denying even a sigle kiss :devil:and then make the npc greates ever. Oh, the horror, the horror!

And maybe, just maybe, writers for DA2 will suprise us with a persona so inconceivably and deviously evil, that will make you love her/him and stab you (the PC) in the back unexpectedly, revealing her/his true nature (rotten to the bone). Then, while you are "dying" she/he slaughters your friends that want to aid you, kills your puppy, poisons your horse, steals all valuable possession and walks away never to be seen. you - slowly bleeding out

And then a mermaid saves you.

Modifié par hangmans tree, 05 octobre 2010 - 03:33 .

[Absafraginlootly]

hangmans tree wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

Due to Thane's overwhelming popularity, we decided that every romance in DA2 should have a dead former lover, spouse, fling, crush, or missed connection. In fact, each romanceable character in DA2 has more dead exes than the last!

Don't forget to add incurable disease! Or a curse that prevents the player to touch ones skin...affliction...denying even a sigle kiss :devil:and then make the npc greates ever. Oh, the horror, the horror!

And maybe, just maybe, writers for DA2 will suprise us with a persona so inconceivably and deviously evil, that will make you love her/him and stab you (the PC) in the back unexpectedly, revealing her/his true nature (rotten to the bone). Then, while you are "dying" she/he slaughters your friends that want to aid you, kills your puppy, poisons your horse, steals all valuable possession and walks away never to be seen. you - slovely bleeding out.  

And then a mermaid saves you.

Ok, I've only played DA:O, DA:A and ME1, so I gotta know is that last one actually IN a bioware game?

Modifié par Absafraginlootly, 05 octobre 2010 - 07:26 .

[Dhiro]

David Gaider wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
I'm not talking about any one specific case, but rather its consistent use across multiple titles.  Of course I understand that no one writer is responsible across titles, but it does get used in a lot of BioWare's games with some consistency.  Kind of like Obsidian and their trope of EVERYTHING IS HORRIBLE 

Uh-huh.

Well, we'll see if we can come up with something just for those with jaded sensibilities, so they can get off the couch and stop taking laudanum to dull the pain of enduring so many thousands of tropes. We will come up with something so refreshingly new that TVTropes will be forced to create a new category and somewhere, a hipster will smile.

Or not. But it's fun to think about.


EDIT: Not that I necessarily disagree with the spirit of what you've said-- I thought we had avoided it in DA, but then someone brought up the Zevran thing like they had been watching, just waiting for it and... OMIGAWD! THERE IT IS! When the ex wasn't even really his issue. It was the fact he killed someone who didn't deserve it. Was she his lover? Sure... but so what? The insistence of some people on using reductionism to accuse us of lazy writing is ironic only because it's lazy criticism.

Aways, Mr. Gaider. Aways.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

TVtropes screwed up...they said Khalid was a half-elf. He's a full elf dammit, I just beat BG 1 again last week. Jaheira was half-elven though. Yep, total video game fact nerdage.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Talimancers remind me of Browncoats.  Yes, Firefly was a good show with a lot of potential that had too short a run - but it isn't the standard for space opera awesomeness the Browncoats fervently claim it is, and as such their fanboyism actually makes me more critical of the show than I might have been otherwise.

Firefly isn't a standard space opera to begin with. My two sisters AND my mother watched it with me and LIKED IT. If I tried that with any other sci fi, they would be bored.

Is it awesome? Definately!
Is it made for a broader audience? Yes..it's ahead of it's time in that respect.
Should every Scfi-fi be like it? Nah. Some poeple like technobabble and ship p0rn and shiny effects or thebackground universe more than character interaction.

[hangmans tree]

Absafraginlootly wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

Due to Thane's overwhelming popularity, we decided that every romance in DA2 should have a dead former lover, spouse, fling, crush, or missed connection. In fact, each romanceable character in DA2 has more dead exes than the last!

Don't forget to add incurable disease! Or a curse that prevents the player to touch ones skin...affliction...denying even a sigle kiss :devil:and then make the npc greates ever. Oh, the horror, the horror!

And maybe, just maybe, writers for DA2 will suprise us with a persona so inconceivably and deviously evil, that will make you love her/him and stab you (the PC) in the back unexpectedly, revealing her/his true nature (rotten to the bone). Then, while you are "dying" she/he slaughters your friends that want to aid you, kills your puppy, poisons your horse, steals all valuable possession and walks away never to be seen. you - slovely bleeding out.  

And then a mermaid saves you.

Ok, I've only played DA:O, DA:A and ME1, so I gotta know is that last one actually IN a bioware game?

No, its just some grim scenario from my head, as a hyperbole I guess...

[Ayanko]

Have we yet to have the option to kill an LI? No I'm not talking along the lines of quests such as the earn of ashes with Leliana. I'm talking about killing them in a Maric and Katriel sort of way.

[SilentK]

Just ended the DA:O with my second warden, she did the ultimate sacrifice. My poor little Soriell, sat there sniffing and crying ( just a little =) ) But this was the first time that I did a romance with Zevran and it was great. I really liked him, ok, love Alistair more but still.



So, nothing speciall, just skipped in to say that I have loved the game and the two male LI so far =) I don't care too much how their specific past should be. I feel that if it is a good well thought out person, with both good traits and bad I'm a happy camper. Now I'm off to make a male to romance Leiliana. Time to get to know her a bit better =)



Good playing all

[AlexXIV]

SilentK wrote...

Just ended the DA:O with my second warden, she did the ultimate sacrifice. My poor little Soriell, sat there sniffing and crying ( just a little =) ) But this was the first time that I did a romance with Zevran and it was great. I really liked him, ok, love Alistair more but still.

So, nothing speciall, just skipped in to say that I have loved the game and the two male LI so far =) I don't care too much how their specific past should be. I feel that if it is a good well thought out person, with both good traits and bad I'm a happy camper. Now I'm off to make a male to romance Leiliana. Time to get to know her a bit better =)

Good playing all

You don't need a male for Leliana, just for Morrigan. jfyi

[Sable Rhapsody]

SilentK wrote...

So, nothing speciall, just skipped in to say that I have loved the game and the two male LI so far =) I don't care too much how their specific past should be. I feel that if it is a good well thought out person, with both good traits and bad I'm a happy camper. Now I'm off to make a male to romance Leiliana. Time to get to know her a bit better =)

Good playing all

I loved Zevran.  Even though he got friendzoned pretty hard by my Warden.  Did I do a little facepalming when I got Zev's conversation about Raina?  Yes, but only because I thought, "This again?"  And then it was back to feeling bad for poor Zev.  

All things equal, I care more about a character's dialogue, voice acting, personality, development arc, etc. than I do about the specific details of their backstory.  But I do prefer diverse backstories.  When I've heard the same thing in several different games, it loses the emotional punch that it's supposed to have.  It becomes "Oh, great.  This again."

Or maybe I'm just a heartless, horrible person.  (Who plays mostly good characters and tends to romance adorkable ones like Alistair and Garrus?  Go figure )

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 05 octobre 2010 - 06:42 .