247 réponses à ce sujet

[pizoxuat]

LiquidGrape wrote...

oenis wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

Personally, I don't think it's that big an issue. Any "trope" is fine, as long as the writing holds up.
All I would ask is that Raphael Sbarge is kept well away from the recording studio.

Dude, eat my boogers.

Happily. As long as Raphael Sbarge is kept well away from the recording studio.

Note:  Please no booger-eating romances.

[LiquidGrape]

pizoxuat wrote...

Note:  Please no booger-eating romances.

I never thought I'd get to see something like that written. Bless you for brightening my day.

[Sable Rhapsody]

LiquidGrape wrote...

oenis wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

Personally, I don't think it's that big an issue. Any "trope" is fine, as long as the writing holds up.
All I would ask is that Raphael Sbarge is kept well away from the recording studio.

Dude, eat my boogers.

Happily. As long as Raphael Sbarge is kept well away from the recording studio.

I have no problem with Raphael Sbarge's voice acting in and of itself, but the problem is that it's highly recognizable.  More versatile VAs, not a problem.  But VAs that I've heard a lot or have a very distinctive voice cause me to think of their other characters, and that's not a good thing.

I love love love Jen Hale's voice acting, but at this point, if I hear her in another BioWare game, I'm gonna think "Hey, it's FemShep!"  She's pretty good at switching up her voice, but I've heard her in so many things now that I can pick her out quite easily.

[JrayM16]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

oenis wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

Personally, I don't think it's that big an issue. Any "trope" is fine, as long as the writing holds up.
All I would ask is that Raphael Sbarge is kept well away from the recording studio.

Dude, eat my boogers.

Happily. As long as Raphael Sbarge is kept well away from the recording studio.

I have no problem with Raphael Sbarge's voice acting in and of itself, but the problem is that it's highly recognizable.  More versatile VAs, not a problem.  But VAs that I've heard a lot or have a very distinctive voice cause me to think of their other characters, and that's not a good thing.

I love love love Jen Hale's voice acting, but at this point, if I hear her in another BioWare game, I'm gonna think "Hey, it's FemShep!"  She's pretty good at switching up her voice, but I've heard her in so many things now that I can pick her out quite easily.

Yes.  The instant recognizability of Sbarge's voice made it really hard to connect with Kaiden in ME1 because I just kept thinking of him as Carth.

[upsettingshorts]

Maybe my memory sucks, but it had been so long since I played KOTOR 1 that I wasn't thinking about Carth when talking to Kaidan.



It's the same reason I'm not repeating "Saigon, I can't believe I'm still in Saigon" in my head when Shepard is talking to the Illusive Man.

[Bann Duncan]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Maybe my memory sucks, but it had been so long since I played KOTOR 1 that I wasn't thinking about Carth when talking to Kaidan.

It's the same reason I'm not repeating "Saigon, I can't believe I'm still in Saigon" in my head when Shepard is talking to the Illusive Man.

To be fair, Sheen's voice changed a fair bit between Apocalypse Now and The West Wing/Mass Effect 2 as is to be expected over a 30 year period.

[upsettingshorts]

Bann Duncan wrote...
To be fair, Sheen's voice changed a fair bit between Apocalypse Now and The West Wing/Mass Effect 2 as is to be expected over a 30 year period.

Definitely, but then I loved Gettysburg - which I've watched many times - and he played Robert E. Lee.

Actors play different roles without dramatic alterations, it's odd to me that the idea that the same guy voiced Carth and Kaidan is somehow different than Patrick Stewart playing Charles Xavier and Jean-Luc Picard. 

/shrug

[oenis]

DARN IT. The interwebs lost my post so here it is again:

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
I have no problem with Raphael Sbarge's voice acting in and of itself, but the problem is that it's highly recognizable.  More versatile VAs, not a problem.  But VAs that I've heard a lot or have a very distinctive voice cause me to think of their other characters, and that's not a good thing.

OH. MY. GOD. Are you seriously using that as an excuse?! Because guess who else is highly recognizable: Simon Templeman, Claudia Black, Steve Valentine ... need I say more, or is my point clear? HOLY. REASONING FAIL.

Modifié par oenis, 07 octobre 2010 - 10:29 .

[upsettingshorts]

oenis wrote...

DARN IT. The interwebs lost my post so here it is again:

OH. MY. GOD. Are you seriously using that as an excuse?! Because guess who else is highly recognizable: Simon Templeman, Claudia Black, Steve Valentine ... need I say more, or is my point clear? HOLY. REASONING FAIL.

Excuse?  No, just saying I don't have the same issues other people do, and I honestly don't understand them.  

[Numa-Fai]

Maybe my memory sucks, but it had been so long since I played KOTOR 1 that I wasn't thinking about Carth when talking to Kaidan.

I couldn't help but thinking my Pc was talking to Carth instead of Kaidan the first time I played ME... Then I played ME2 and found out Thane... Did't like it... Why didn't they make Thane a female character? At least it wouldn't have been the same old story...

[habitat 67]

Felene wrote...

DA2 easter egg : a graveyard full of dead exs from Bioware game.

This would be extrordinarily funny.

[Anarya]

oenis wrote...

DARN IT. The interwebs lost my post so here it is again:

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
I have no problem with Raphael Sbarge's voice acting in and of itself, but the problem is that it's highly recognizable.  More versatile VAs, not a problem.  But VAs that I've heard a lot or have a very distinctive voice cause me to think of their other characters, and that's not a good thing.

OH. MY. GOD. Are you seriously using that as an excuse?! Because guess who else is highly recognizable: Simon Templeman, Claudia Black, Steve Valentine ... need I say more, or is my point clear? HOLY. REASONING FAIL.

I have to agree. It seems like actors that have more of a background in stage and screen acting can't do wildly different voices like actors who focus on voice acting exclusively can. However, I thought Templeman and Valentine gave the best performances in the game (along with Claudia Black, but she is a bit more versatile as far as voices go). I'd love to see Steve Valentine return as a VA and I don't think I would care too much that he sounded the same. I'd rather have a really great performance out of a VA regardless of whether he or she can do a bunch of different voices.

Sbarge I think is alright but he's not my favorite. But I don't think the fact that he can only do one voice is a strike against him.

[Saibh]

Anarya wrote...

oenis wrote...

DARN IT. The interwebs lost my post so here it is again:

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
I have no problem with Raphael Sbarge's voice acting in and of itself, but the problem is that it's highly recognizable.  More versatile VAs, not a problem.  But VAs that I've heard a lot or have a very distinctive voice cause me to think of their other characters, and that's not a good thing.

OH. MY. GOD. Are you seriously using that as an excuse?! Because guess who else is highly recognizable: Simon Templeman, Claudia Black, Steve Valentine ... need I say more, or is my point clear? HOLY. REASONING FAIL.

I have to agree. It seems like actors that have more of a background in stage and screen acting can't do wildly different voices like actors who focus on voice acting exclusively can. However, I thought Templeman and Valentine gave the best performances in the game (along with Claudia Black, but she is a bit more versatile as far as voices go). I'd love to see Steve Valentine return as a VA and I don't think I would care too much that he sounded the same. I'd rather have a really great performance out of a VA regardless of whether he or she can do a bunch of different voices.

Sbarge I think is alright but he's not my favorite. But I don't think the fact that he can only do one voice is a strike against him.

When it comes to love interests I do. Especially if you come pre-grudge from Carth and Kaidan. I personally don't, but his voice is so recognizable to me I can't not associate it with his past characters. It just takes me out of the experience.

[BroBear Berbil]

Anarya wrote...
It seems like actors that have more of a background in stage and screen acting can't do wildly different voices like actors who focus on voice acting exclusively can.

Mark Hildreth did an absolutely amazing job with voice variety I think. Sten sounded nothing like him in the Tudors or like Heero from Gundam Wing. I was surprised when I learned who did Sten's voice.

Modifié par OnionXI, 08 octobre 2010 - 01:53 .

[Saibh]

OnionXI wrote...

Anarya wrote...
It seems like actors that have more of a background in stage and screen acting can't do wildly different voices like actors who focus on voice acting exclusively can.

Mark Hildreth did an absolutely amazing job with voice variety I think. Sten sounded nothing like him in the Tudors or like Heero from Gundam Wing. I was surprised when I learned who did Sten's voice.

He also usually plays Ken/love interest in the Barbie movies. I kid you not.

[oenis]

For anyone whose played Uncharted II, Steve Valentine is totally recognizable and he is EVIL. He's bad and in a smarmy, backstabbing way. However, he does a fantastic job as Alistair. Isn't it the same as movies? Of course we recognize most well known actors. I wouldn't criticize the voice actors just because we want to associate them with another role.

[grillz]

Didn't Leliana kill all the males she slept with? and a psycho ex mentor/lover.  That really made my male warden feel good. lol

And Morrigan never saying what happened to her ex sex buddies.............

My Warden was scared of women. lol

Modifié par grillz, 08 octobre 2010 - 02:53 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

oenis wrote...

DARN IT. The interwebs lost my post so here it is again:

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
I have no problem with Raphael Sbarge's voice acting in and of itself, but the problem is that it's highly recognizable.  More versatile VAs, not a problem.  But VAs that I've heard a lot or have a very distinctive voice cause me to think of their other characters, and that's not a good thing.

OH. MY. GOD. Are you seriously using that as an excuse?! Because guess who else is highly recognizable: Simon Templeman, Claudia Black, Steve Valentine ... need I say more, or is my point clear? HOLY. REASONING FAIL.

Wow.  Way to get bent out of shape about something that's just a personal preference 

I can pick out a lot of actors and VAs.  The problem is highly subjective: it becomes a problem in all kinds of acting, voice or otherwise, when I pick out the actor before the character, and what I specifically said was "think of their other characters."  I never said there was anything wrong with being prolific.  It's more prevalent with VAs who have very distinctive voices, but obviously depends on actor talent and writing quality as well.  For example, I notice Raphael Sbarge's voice before I notice Kaidan, and immediately think of his other characters, namely Carth.

Martin Sheen is a counterexample.  I recognized his voice instantly.  And when I was talking to TIM, he was the Illusive Man to me, not the President or whatever else.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 08 octobre 2010 - 02:53 .

[Heimdall]

grillz wrote...

Didn't Leliana kill all the males she slept with? and a psycho ex mentor/lover.  That really made my male warden feel good. lol

And Morrigan never saying what happened to her ex sex buddies.............

My Warden was scared of women. lol

Leli only killed the ones it was her job to kill... and Morrigan used them like tissues...  Arion Surana went for the former, he likes a bit of insanity, and anyone who can talk about how her bruises form a pretty pattern after a deadly fight for their lives fits the bill.

[oenis]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

oenis wrote...

DARN IT. The interwebs lost my post so here it is again:

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
I have no problem with Raphael Sbarge's voice acting in and of itself, but the problem is that it's highly recognizable.  More versatile VAs, not a problem.  But VAs that I've heard a lot or have a very distinctive voice cause me to think of their other characters, and that's not a good thing.

OH. MY. GOD. Are you seriously using that as an excuse?! Because guess who else is highly recognizable: Simon Templeman, Claudia Black, Steve Valentine ... need I say more, or is my point clear? HOLY. REASONING FAIL.

Wow.  Way to get bent out of shape about something that's just a personal preference 

I can pick out a lot of actors and VAs.  The problem is highly subjective: it becomes a problem in all kinds of acting, voice or otherwise, when I pick out the actor before the character, and what I specifically said was "think of their other characters."  I never said there was anything wrong with being prolific.  It's more prevalent with VAs who have very distinctive voices, but obviously depends on actor talent and writing quality as well.  For example, I notice Raphael Sbarge's voice before I notice Kaidan, and immediately think of his other characters, namely Carth.

Martin Sheen is a counterexample.  I recognized his voice instantly.  And when I was talking to TIM, he was the Illusive Man to me, not the President or whatever else.

Sorry if I yelled but I really don't think whether a VA is recognizable or not impacts their level of talent that much. As I said, Steve Valentine, Claudia Black, Simon Templeman, all very recognizable and have played titular roles. Also, Carth association is often used to sully Kaidan's character when really they are nothing alike in personality. If people are willing to overlook other actors sounding similar in a variety of roles, why is Sbarge the exception?

[grillz]

Lord Aesir wrote...

grillz wrote...

Didn't Leliana kill all the males she slept with? and a psycho ex mentor/lover.  That really made my male warden feel good. lol

And Morrigan never saying what happened to her ex sex buddies.............

My Warden was scared of women. lol

Leli only killed the ones it was her job to kill... and Morrigan used them like tissues...  Arion Surana went for the former, he likes a bit of insanity, and anyone who can talk about how her bruises form a pretty pattern after a deadly fight for their lives fits the bill.

Idk
I was scared when Lel brought up eyelashes she was going to pull out a knife. 

[casedawgz]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

oenis wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

Personally, I don't think it's that big an issue. Any "trope" is fine, as long as the writing holds up.
All I would ask is that Raphael Sbarge is kept well away from the recording studio.

Dude, eat my boogers.

Happily. As long as Raphael Sbarge is kept well away from the recording studio.

I have no problem with Raphael Sbarge's voice acting in and of itself, but the problem is that it's highly recognizable.  More versatile VAs, not a problem.  But VAs that I've heard a lot or have a very distinctive voice cause me to think of their other characters, and that's not a good thing.

I love love love Jen Hale's voice acting, but at this point, if I hear her in another BioWare game, I'm gonna think "Hey, it's FemShep!"  She's pretty good at switching up her voice, but I've heard her in so many things now that I can pick her out quite easily.

Even in ME1 I was saying "Hey, it's Bastila!" And in KOTOR I was saying "Hey, it's Naomi Hunter!" I do enjoy her work but at the same time, she's so omnipresent that it almost damages immersion at this point.

[Ortaya Alevli]

Variety on the VA's part is nowadays less of a concern with voice filters all over the place. I'm sure them's in BioWare can figure out something if they wish to use Sbarge or Valentine or whoever again.

There was a funny bug in one of the party banters in Awakening. Between Velanna and Oghren, if I remember correctly. It recorded DeLisle reading one of Blum's lines and applied the Oghren filter on it. It was hilarious.

Range is important, but there's compensation to a degree.

[Saibh]

oenis wrote...

Sorry if I yelled but I really don't think whether a VA is recognizable or not impacts their level of talent that much. As I said, Steve Valentine, Claudia Black, Simon Templeman, all very recognizable and have played titular roles. Also, Carth association is often used to sully Kaidan's character when really they are nothing alike in personality. If people are willing to overlook other actors sounding similar in a variety of roles, why is Sbarge the exception?

As Sable said, it's personal preference. I didn't recognize Alistair's, Morrigan's, or Loghain's voice prior to playing Dragon Age. My sister was immediately able to place "That chick from Pitch Black", though. If I had, I'm not sure if it would affect my playthrough. Sometimes an actor embodies their character incredibly well--even Steve Blum, whom I hear everywhere, is still able to pull me out of being Steve Blum.

That being said, I'm more critical of romance interests than regular companions. If Carth left a bad taste in your mouth, hearing him as another romancable straight-shooting military type in a sci-fi BioWare game isn't going to help. Yes, they can still be talented voice actors--Sbarge is, after all--but some people aren't able to immerse themselves because they can only hear "CarthCarthCarthCarth I don't trust you dead wife CarthCarthCarth".

Think of all the people who compare Kaidan and Carth and say they're clones of each other. They're really not (of course, Horizon didn't help that), but the voices are obviously identical and people immediately associate the characters inextricably with one another.

[casedawgz]

When a character makes a really strong impression its hard to distance subsequent roles from that character. For instance, I still haven't seen Vicky Christina Barcelona, because the thought of the crazed hitman Anton Chigur from No Country For Old Men playing the male lead in a romantic comedy is something I know I wouldn't be able to get sufficiently over to enjoy the movie on its own merits. I'd spend the whole moving flipping a coin and yelling "CALL IT!"