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[the-expatriate]

 Bit-tech doesn't have a whole lot that's nice to say. The many fanboys and fangirls may be disappointed... others may find themselves agreeing. It's a sharp critque, and not overly hopeful sounding; at least they're honest.

It begins:

'It’s very brown,’ we thought to ourselves, as we got comfortable during the opening minutes of Bioware’sDragon Age 2 presentation. ‘It looks a bit washed out and bland too. Are we in the right room? This isn’t Call of Duty, is it?’

Yikes. Nevertheless, here it is.

Modifié par the-expatriate, 05 octobre 2010 - 07:09 .

[Dave of Canada]

I don't understand, what do they mean by brown? The landscape? Of course it's brown, they are in the Blightlands.

[Anarya]

Ouch, that IS rather unflattering. But there's nothing new being said, either, so my opinion has not changed.

[The Hardest Thing In The World]

I'm happy with the brown. In fact I hope they don't change the colors of the armors too much. They were just fine.

[Tamyn]

More brown (and washed out colors) everywhere? I had hoped they'd gotten away from that this time.

Modifié par Tamyn, 05 octobre 2010 - 07:21 .

[the-expatriate]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I don't understand, what do they mean by brown? The landscape? Of course it's brown, they are in the Blightlands.

I think they're referring to the blandness of the color palette; they also seem to think the art style is not really any better or more individual than before. I mean obviously it's all to be taken with a grain of salt as they only saw the opening sequence, which I imagine is supposed to across as gritty. However either way, if the developer's choose to show off an area of the game they think will make a big first impression and the response is "meh," then that's never a good sign. On the other hand, I think the opinion of the majority of people at that same presentation seemed to be much more positive than this fellow, based on what I've read. But hey. Can't please 'em all.

Modifié par the-expatriate, 05 octobre 2010 - 07:22 .

[Anarya]

It looks sorta reddish to me. Like the surface of Mars.

[Ahzrei]

Ouch. That burns.







I disagree with what they said about DAO's fiction though. I loved the writing of the first game.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Tamyn wrote...

More brown (and washed out colors) everywhere?

Good news!

Realism FTW!

[Tamyn]

Having everything tinged brown is not realistic. Yes, the real world isn't as saturated as grocery commercials (unless you're in a tropical zone), but it doesn't mean everything is a variant of mud colors.

Modifié par Tamyn, 05 octobre 2010 - 07:33 .

[the-expatriate]

Gritty. Down and dirty. Dark. Realistic. Brown. Dragon Age 2.

[Pauravi]

Meh, that was pretty nit-picky. I'm not particularly worried.

Most of the things they complain about are not things that bother me, or that generally even bother other game reviewers. Complaining about the color palette is pretty subjective, and the fact that they use a dialogue system that was very well received in another game of theirs is something that I can imagine other reviewers actually praising. I certainly don't mind. In fact, most of the review boiled down to them complaining that Bioware didn't invent enough completely new and exciting gameplay mechanics that no one has ever seen before. Are Bioware games so routinely ground-breaking that people are now disappointed if every release doesn't reshape an entire genre? Are they really getting boo'd for simply making a great game with well-liked gameplay elements that they already invented?

Also -- of course you can't import your old Warden. Duh. The story is about a very specific person who isn't the Warden -- DA2 isn't the continuing story of the same person, like ME2 was. And yet, even with a totally different character, Bioware clearly understands that players become invested in the world that they help to shape, and that they want to see the fruits of their actions. I'm glad that they let you import; I'd be disappointed if they didn't, but that's just because I expect that sort of excellence from Bioware.

[Chairon de Celeste]

Edit: added the 1rst part wich I'd accidently deleted...

I'd rather go for the 'what do we know so far' thread
than for this revview.
True - I don't play fantasy action rpg to have a human
avatar - I will not drop it for a '7 classes, 7 races
game by another dev house.
As written - I recommend Sir Ocam's thread.
Sums pretty much up what we were shown and told between
the lines of the pr releases and interviews.

I suppose bit-tech is mostly sponsored by the hardware
industry, not by the game industry...

I'll buy 'it' anyway, just to help BW through hard times.

Modifié par Chairon de Celeste, 05 octobre 2010 - 09:20 .

[HighMoon]

"Wizard"



*sigh*



"The Archdemon itself shows up"



*SIGH*

[the-expatriate]

Pauravi wrote...

Most of the things they complain about are not things that bother me

This.

Modifié par the-expatriate, 05 octobre 2010 - 07:42 .

[JakePT]

Sounds like they're really not explaining the role-elements to the people they're giving previews to. The previewers seemed to be under the impression that the gender/class choice was the full extent of character customisation, which we know isn't the case, and didn't seem to know about the personality aspect.

They also seem a bit confused about the story, at one point saying "someone is disputing the facts of the tale, namely that the heroes ever encountered an Archdemon." before later saying "things don’t get any better when the Archdemon appears on the scene…" Eh?

Also doesn't sound like they liked the original much either with references to "slogg(ing) through Origins’ underwhelming end-game" and "drab fiction".

Modifié par JakePT, 05 octobre 2010 - 07:46 .

[Anarya]

Golden-Rose wrote...

"Wizard"

*sigh*

"The Archdemon itself shows up"

*SIGH*

Haha I didn't even notice that when I skimmed the article. Also I think I missed the taxidermy spec when I played Origins.

[bobolda7]

haha they say really off the charts stuff like they never played origins. " Suddenly, there’s a cut to the future, where someone is disputing the facts of the tale, namely that the heroes ever encountered an Archdemon" and "but his classes are limited to only the generic ‘Warrior’, ‘Wizard’ or ‘Rogue’ " haha i guess they are sad that there is no Rouge class

[TheBlackBaron]

I'm liking the idea of the framed narrative the more I read about it. Certainly, they won't be able to slot it perfectly into the BioWare RPG Trope chart.

For that matter, I agree with them on the matter of importing the Warden, but arguing about that at this point is beyond a lost cause.

Brown and blood? Whatever. Same old song and dance, and that's not a bad thing.

EDIT: Oh, and yeah, preeeeeety obvious they didn't get to see the whole of character customization. There's no way it's just a gender and class thing - that would be a step back farther than BioWare has ever gone.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 05 octobre 2010 - 07:52 .

[GodWood]

****ing about not being able to carry your Warden over is a pretty stupid thing to complain about considering Bioware never even hinted that it was a possibility.

[Dhiro]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Tamyn wrote...

More brown (and washed out colors) everywhere?

Good news!

Realism FTW!

Sarcasm?

Anyway, I don't think is fair the way they use old screenshots to their article. I mean, the graphics improved a lot.

[Xewaka]

I like this review.

At least it doesn't go into "oheemgee it's [censorbar] awesome" territory inmediately to get more publicity revenue. We need more sites like that.

[theamplifiedsoul]

The article sounded like they were looking for things not to like. Very nitpicky. I take it with a grain of salt. Can't judge the whole game's color palette on just on small part. the complaints seemed trivial. Complaining about not being able to import your Warden is pretty weak. This isn't Mass Effect and Shepard's story.



Now if the actual reviews are bad when the game comes out I'll worry. As of right now I take everything, whether good or bad with a grain of salt. The final game is far from being done.

[Cribbian]

Golden-Rose wrote...

"Wizard"

*sigh*

"The Archdemon itself shows up"

*SIGH*

No need to read that preview it seems...

[Chairon de Celeste]

Well, only the few among us who played the demo could've
proven bit-tech wrong if they had been allowed to take pictures.
The price of dropping bioware wednesday and not updating
the da2 main page as well - any journalist can state anything....

Modifié par Chairon de Celeste, 05 octobre 2010 - 08:15 .