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[Onyx Jaguar]

jsachun wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I'd rather fight like a Viking

TOO BAD VIKING ISN'T THE IN THING RIGHT NOW AS NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT THAT WOULD BE A TAD MORE APPROPRIATE< ALL CAPITALS. NEXT WE BE FIGHTING LIKE MONGOLS IN A SPINOFF WHERE WE RIDE AROUND ON MOUNTS EYAH

I'd rather think like a Vault Dweller & fight like an Enclave Hell Trooper. All in bold.

YES YES YES

[Faz432]

You can make the excuses you like but at the end of the day he went to a Bioware presentation of DA2, which should be designed to impress game journos and yet he's come away feeling meh.

Why hasn't he come away with the "omg this looks amazing" feeling?

like he did with this article?

 www.bit-tech.net/blog/2010/08/20/the-best-thing-at-gamescom-2010/

Same site, same writer, different opinions.

[Tinxa]

Meh, they don't like things I don't care about or even prefer so I'm not worried.



"it's brown" - the start takes place in a ruined blighted wasteland so yeah I gues the environment would be pretty brown. Until we see more this really isn't a valid complaint



"it's closer to mass effect" - the protagonist is voiced and new dialogue system is the wheel similar to mass effect - so what



Then the reviewer complains about having a set protagonist, who can only be human and about the classes - Well the classes are the same as in DAO and the protagonist is a set character which I don't mind.



there are some complaints about combat - we don't know which version it was and the reviewer wasn't playing the game himself and he doesn't elaborate much why he didn't like it besides calling it "old-hat"



and finally he complains about not being able to import the char from DAO - this is apparently the biggest disappointment but DA2 is a new game with new characters and I like the fact that the Warden isn't the PC

[shootist70]

It's a shame that the reviewer was so negative about the appearance of the game after seeing only one aspect of it.

Having said that, Bioware's presentation wasn't exactly full of graphical wow factor. Yes, DAO wasn't all about graphics, yet the DA2 presentation was pretty dull.

One of the devs stated here that they're going for a minimalist style for the environmental graphics. I'm really in two minds about that. If that means we get more meat on the actual gameplay then fine. Bioware environments have always been threadbare and non-immersive, though, and I really can't see how they can get any more minimalist without becoming almost non-existent.

Basically, I sure hope the rest of the game doesn't look like that vid.

Modifié par shootist70, 05 octobre 2010 - 11:25 .

[KLUME777]

I never ever thought Origins was brown (except the Deep Roads), so if it is as brown as Origins, ill be happy.  

However, if it is as brown as Killzone 2, then i wont be happy. Check this out.

[KLUME777]

Tinxa wrote...


"it's brown" - the start takes place in a ruined blighted wasteland so yeah I gues the environment would be pretty brown. Until we see more this really isn't a valid complaint

Yes it is, too me anyway. It doesnt matter if it is in a blightland, if its really brown, then i dont want to be there. Take me to Orlais.

If they can pull it off like Fallout 3 did, then ill be fine. If it is like Killzone 2, then DA2 is in trouble.

[shootist70]

KLUME777 wrote...

I never ever thought Origins was brown (except the Deep Roads), so if it is as brown as Origins, ill be happy.  

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Origins' environments were one big brown smear with a sprinkling of green every now and then.

[Lintanis]

 Thanks for the link made me laugh :D, all Brown  and here I was hoping the Blightlands would be a tropical vista :P

[highcastle]

Here's the thing, the guy doing the review doesn't necessarily seem as familiar with the first game as he's trying to pretend. He seems shocked that there's only three classes...the same three classes of the first game. It also appears he's confused Flemeth in the dragon form with the Archdemon. Unless I'm mistaken of course.

Honestly, it appears he's just learned most of the changes to the franchise upon playing the demo. Let's remember our own gut reactions to everything the first time we heard it. Most were upset. Some still are. I don't think this necessarily means we'll hate DA2, since most of us here are already aware of the changes to the franchise and won't have those pesky gut reactions.

[Ulathar]

I don't care much about what that article complains about, tbh.

and the 3 classes he mentioned were there in the first game, too....no difference there, except that he called the Mage "Wizard" <_<

Modifié par Systemlord Baal, 05 octobre 2010 - 12:01 .

[jsachun]

Yes, very brown indeed. Rats, I won't be able to see any of my army of ginger cats.

[Shepard Lives]

'Course it's brown, they're in the Blightlands. Also, I think the skyboxes haven't been completed yet.

And.. what the hell does he mean by his classes are limited to only the generic ‘Warrior’, ‘Wizard’ or ‘Rogue’? That's not a change (also, "generic"?). Has he even played Dragon Age?



Other than that, same old song and dance. They just seem a tad sour about the changes, which is not exactly a new attitude.



Man do I feel sorry for the Bioware reps forced to spout idiotic catchphrases for every gaming magazine that comes along.

[Elvhen Veluthil]

Not again brownish landscapes. Where did all the grass went? Nice review btw. Here is a screenshot with some green in it, from one of the entries of the community contest:

[SirOccam]

I wanted to take this seriously, I really did. I wanted to read some thoughtful and accurate critiques of the game I hadn't considered before. Unfortunately there was nothing like that to be found here.

Complaining about brownness in a desolate wasteland called the Blightlands? That's like saying the Deep Roads had too much rock.

Like Commander Shepherd, Dragon Age 2’s main character, Hawke, has a voice of his own and an established identity now.

Argh, no, he does not have an established identity. I don't understand what is so hard to understand about that. They're basing that on what, that you know his last name?

Hawke’s pre-established character brings other limitations to Dragon Age 2 as well, such as a simplified character creation system. Hawke can be a man or a woman, but his classes are limited to only the generic ‘Warrior’, ‘Wizard’ or ‘Rogue’ and there’s no option to change his race; he has to be human.

Okay, even disregarding the "wizard" thing, there is ONE fewer choice than in DAO. You still have full control over his appearance, name, and class (which, yes, have always been warrior, mage, and rogue). How this adds up to a "simplified character creation system" I don't understand.

There’s nothing inherently wrong with those limitations obviously – but if you loved the first game for it’s old-school PC RPG feel or are desperate to play as a dwarven taxidermist then you might be a little dismayed.

I'm sure if you are desperate to play as a dwarven taxidermist you'll be dismayed by a lot of games.

Dragon Age 2’s opening sequence, for example, shows a mountaintop battle where Hawke and his sister are decimating a legion of Darkspawn with the help of some Templars. Powerful magic and swordplay come into
effect, until at the end the Archdemon itself shows up and starts to bathe the battlefield in flame.

The opening sequence is just Hawke and Bethany. There are no Templars to be found, and even later on there's just Wesley. Saying the Archdemon shows up is just *facepalm*. Like every dragon now is the Archdemon? They didn't rethink this appraisal when the archdemon changed into an old woman who introduced herself as Flemeth? Did they not think that was a strange thing for an Archdemon to do?

You can move the camera around when the game is paused now though, at least.

Did he even play Origins?

At the same time though, it’s marred by many of the same flaws that plagued the first game; the excessive bloodiness, drab fiction and endless expanses of brown textures.

Nope, I guess not.

Seriously, I think it's fine not to be impressed with the demo. If they didn't like it, they didn't like it. But if it's all based on idiotic conjecture and just plain misinformation, you hardly have to be a fanboy to see how ridiculous it is.

Modifié par SirOccam, 05 octobre 2010 - 12:31 .

[nightcobra]

summary of this demo review:



in an attempt to stand out with controversy, he stood out with pure ignorance on the matter.

[Ulathar]

SirOccam wrote...

I wanted to take this seriously, I really did. I wanted to read some thoughtful and accurate critiques of the game I hadn't considered before. Unfortunately there was nothing like that to be found here.

Complaining about brownness in a desolate wasteland called the Blightlands? That's like saying the Deep Roads had too much rock.

Like Commander Shepherd, Dragon Age 2’s main character, Hawke, has a voice of his own and an established identity now.

Argh, no, he does not have an established identity. I don't understand what is so hard to understand about that. They're basing that on what, that you know his last name?

Hawke’s pre-established character brings other limitations to Dragon Age 2 as well, such as a simplified character creation system. Hawke can be a man or a woman, but his classes are limited to only the generic ‘Warrior’, ‘Wizard’ or ‘Rogue’ and there’s no option to change his race; he has to be human.

Okay, even disregarding the "wizard" thing, there is ONE fewer choice than in DAO. You still have full control over his appearance, name, and class (which, yes, have always been warrior, mage, and rogue). How this adds up to a "simplified character creation system" I don't understand.

There’s nothing inherently wrong with those limitations obviously – but if you loved the first game for it’s old-school PC RPG feel or are desperate to play as a dwarven taxidermist then you might be a little dismayed.

I'm sure if you are desperate to play as a dwarven taxidermist you'll be dismayed by a lot of games.

Dragon Age 2’s opening sequence, for example, shows a mountaintop battle where Hawke and his sister are decimating a legion of Darkspawn with the help of some Templars. Powerful magic and swordplay come into
effect, until at the end the Archdemon itself shows up and starts to bathe the battlefield in flame.

The opening sequence is just Hawke and Bethany. There are no Templars to be found, and even later on there's just Wesley. Saying the Archdemon shows up is just *facepalm*. Like every dragon now is the Archdemon? They didn't rethink this appraisal when the archdemon changed into an old woman who introduced herself as Flemeth? Did they not think that was a strange thing for an Archdemon to do?

You can move the camera around when the game is paused now though, at least.

Did he even play Origins?

At the same time though, it’s marred by many of the same flaws that plagued the first game; the excessive bloodiness, drab fiction and endless expanses of brown textures.

Nope, I guess not.

Seriously, I think it's fine not to be impressed with the demo. If they didn't like it, they didn't like it. But if it's all based on idiotic conjecture and just plain misinformation, you hardly have to be a fanboy to see how ridiculous it is.

WIN! This post should be quoted in the OP 

[Russalka]

I had not even heard of this site before.
I guess now I know why. SirOccam and nightcobra summarised my thoughts, bless them.

Edit: Anyone have a user there to tell them off? I am feeling spiteful.

Modifié par Russalka, 05 octobre 2010 - 12:55 .

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Chairon de Celeste wrote...

Edit: added the 1rst part wich I'd accidently deleted...

I'd rather go for the 'what do we know so far' thread
than for this revview.
True - I don't play fantasy action rpg to have a human
avatar - I will not drop it for a '7 classes, 7 races
game by another dev house.
As written - I recommend Sir Ocam's thread.
Sums pretty much up what we were shown and told between
the lines of the pr releases and interviews.

I suppose bit-tech is mostly sponsored by the hardware
industry, not by the game industry...

I'll buy 'it' anyway, just to help BW through hard times.

What 'hard times'?

[ankuu]

Leaving my little DA obsession behind, how can you call yourself a journalist when you compare the brown in a game with a toilet? Like come'on! And no, graphics are not everything. DA 1 was not excellent at that but it made me play it 6 times - while no other game could.

As for everything else, SirOccam pretty much summarized everything. God bless you as someone said b4 me.

Modifié par ankuu, 05 octobre 2010 - 01:04 .

[Calla S]

SirOccam wrote...
Complaining about brownness in a desolate wasteland called the Blightlands? That's like saying the Deep Roads had too much rock.

I... can't even begin to comprehend why this made me giggle as much as it did.

After reading your post, I'm not even going to bother reading the article. Sounds like misinformed bs anyway.

[ankuu]

Some Geth wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...

"The Archdemon itself shows up"

*SIGH*

This isn't REALLY DA2 related, I'd just like Gaming sites to not make up their own facts about the games they review. I see it in IGN, Kotaku, all these other starting sites. Just because you're not the L.A. Times does not mean that you don't have to be journalists.

Well IGN just sucks and Kotaku is not all that better:whistle:.

OMG i just wanna go raging down on IGN...Some days ago i found out that AC:Brotherhood won't come out for the PC just yet, Ubi said they never annonced a date when the PC version will be released. Well guess what, on IGN it says clearly "16 nov" and it is still there.
Same for Fable 3 PC version.

I was kinda off topic but meh...

[Akinra]

Most of the criticisms seem to be personal dislikes rather objective critique.

[Elvhen Veluthil]

Reviews like this are rare and have a nice aftereffect, they make the fanboys blue, which I find very amusing. Let's summarize his cons conclusions:



- Brownish landscape: Hell ye, DAO was full of it, and it seems DA2 will be also, blightland or not. Not natural, not pretty, bad choice to support the dark fantasy etiquette.



- Blood: A lot of people find it nice to see blood flowing everywhere, sane people doesn't find anything cool about it. And DA2 seems to be proud of the amount of blood it offers, it's one of the things that define it as a game, I bet that's written in the design documents of the game as such.



- Established identity: Lets see, you play a human that can talk for himself with his own voice. In role-playing terms, that's as established as it can get. The above posters all refer to the PC (player character) as Hawke, not as "myself" or "I". Hawke will become the legend, Hawke will get all the ladies, Hawke this, Hawke that. Not you though. But hey, you can always decide what hair this dude will have.



- Drab fiction: Well, it's too early to say anything about that, but most of the screenshots I have seen have darkspawn in them, and I am tired of these guys, old or new look aside. Couldn't take them seriously in DAO, and I doubt I'll do so in DA2. But there are other forces involved, so lets wait and see.



The good news is that he seems to confirm that there will be a free-to-move camera, it seems only during pause.