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[DPB]

Eldragon wrote...

I didn't actually see anything factually wrong in the preview. The reviewer had several opinions that differ from how a lot of people feel about DA:O than on these forums, but everyone gets their own opinion.

They had Flemeth confused with the Archdemon and implied that being restricted to three classes was something new.

[The Masked Rog]

 I don't really see it as a negative preview. I like that the author is brave enough to point out what he didn't like about the game. I'm getting a bit tired of the whole "we can't import the warden" things, because it sounds like that is expected, which for me it never was. My first warden died after all. I find it funny that he complained that the combat system is too similar to DA:O, while most people are complaining it is too different. Finally he could have taken sometimes to get his facts right. The archdemon? Seriously?

[SteveGarbage]

I will give bit-tech this, it's an honest review. I don't necessarily think it's a big picture view, which is hard this early in the development where all you get is a short preview, but it brings up reasonable concerns in a reasonable manner. I think it's a bit short-sighted, but not bad.

[Eldragon]

BrotherWarth wrote...
Again you're talking out of your ass, but now you're saying that most people don't know how to play video games.

Wyndham711 means that some people play a character in an RPG where they ARE that character. In DA:O I was "Eldragon the Grey Warden". Everything I did in the game is as "Eldragon the Grey Warden" would have done it.  Even what the character wore would be what "Eldragon the Warden" would have worn. All these decisions are done with no regard to their meta-game consequences. If this means Eldragon is wearing sub-optimal gear, so be it. If this means Eldragon won't complete the quest so bit it. I'm Playing Eldragon, and doing what Eldragon would do.

The alternative is to play the game for the story/fun/action/etc, with no regard for acting like (aka role playing) a particular character. Decisions are made on how the player feels at the time, the PC wears the best items he can find. The PC selects the dialog that is most likely to give the best quest rewards. The PC is just an avatar for the player to interact with the game. This is how the majority of people play an CRPG.

There is nothing wrong with either approach.  However what makes so many DA:O fans so upset about Hawke being voiced (and human only) in DA2 is it makes it much harder to "Role Play" a character, you arn't role-playing your character, you are playing Bioware's character.

Modifié par Eldragon, 05 octobre 2010 - 02:52 .

[Dave of Canada]

SteveGarbage wrote...

I will give bit-tech this, it's an honest review. I don't necessarily think it's a big picture view, which is hard this early in the development where all you get is a short preview, but it brings up reasonable concerns in a reasonable manner. I think it's a bit short-sighted, but not bad.

It would've been more honest if the guy outright said he didn't play Origins or the demo considering how misinformed he is.

[Ryuukishi]

Only took him one sentence to insult Call of Duty. Sooo original.

[Dave of Canada]

Rereading through it, I suspect this writer is just trying to "shock" everybody in order to get more readers. He gives an insanely bad preview so people can go to his article, read it and then point other people to it and say "SEE? DRAGON AGE 2 SUCKS!" (getting more views in the process). He didn't bother to look anything up and I suspect he hasn't played Origins or the demo considering how he screwed up even the basic knowledge that anybody could correct with google and 5 seconds.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 05 octobre 2010 - 03:38 .

[DMC12]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Rereading through it, I suspect this writer is just trying to "shock" everybody in order to get more readers. He gives an insanely bad preview so people can go to his article, read it and then point other people to it and say "SEE? DRAGON AGE 2 SUCKS!" (getting more views in the process). He didn't bother to look anything up and I suspect he hasn't played Origins or the demo suspecting about how he screwed up even the basic knowledge that anybody could correct with google and 5 seconds.

I feel used now... But yeah, bad journalism.

[-Conspirator]

Wow, there's really nothing interesting in this review. Yes, at the moment the graphics look ****ty, but I trust in BioWare to improve this (as they improved the graphics of DA:O quite late). Way to be a boring review *yawns*

[andar91]

I have to agree with some other commentators here; it really does seem like they were looking for things to nit-pick at. Not that some of their concerns aren't valid. It's just that I get the impression that they had already decided the game sucked before they had even seen it. The brown comments really aggrivate me, just because that's one area that is supposed to look like that. Granted, that's all they have to go off of is what they're shown, but this screenshot (http://img714.images...33/94849618.jpg) seems to suggest interesting environments and artistic style. I mean, I know there are a lot of neutrals but I would hardly call lit bleak and boring. And I hate the constant derisive tones regarding Mass Effect; the only thing they've done is added a pre-defined character with a voice. Yes, that's a big change, but the way people talk, you'd think that Dragon Age was going to become a third-person shooter. And I love how the character creation system is now apparently more limited because you only choose from warrior, rogue, and mage. That reminds me of another game....? And my biggest gripe is the issue of importing the Warden. When did they EVER give ANY indication that that was going to happen? I, for one, never expected it. I mean, what would he/she do? They're infected with the taint, the archdemon is dead, your companions have moved on as evidenced by the epilogue. They could bring the Warden back if they wanted to, but I think it would feel incredibly cheap.

[AlanC9]

Who the hell are bit-tech, anyway? Never heard of them -- should I have?

[Amioran]

KLUME777 wrote...

Yes it is, too me anyway. It doesnt matter if it is in a blightland, if its really brown, then i dont want to be there. Take me to Orlais.

If they can pull it off like Fallout 3 did, then ill be fine. If it is like Killzone 2, then DA2 is in trouble.

So just because you have to feel funny in it, it must resemble a parade or carnival, also if the ambient is totally inappropriate for what they want to transmit? Sorry, but all the "I play games to evade the monotony of life" is already an idiotic argument, more so if you add that you must *have* colors for a game to be played, or to be good (from the point of view of an artistic style, naturally). You know, some titles are just called "mature" because you assume people playing them would be *mature* enough to understand that color != fun, good, art or insert your preferred word here. You assume they would be enough mature to understand that it is not color that makes a good style or lack thereof. But probably it is asking too much.

Really, this argument it is silly at best. Killzone 2 problem was not the "grey", but the art direction in general. Two different things. I'm sorry, but if just to make happy people as you they would have to put things and colors that have nothing to do with the setting and/or style they want to convey, I would prefer they will just ignore these type of comments, for the good of the game.

I know that sometimes you have to do things that nobody with a sane mind would do just because people want them, it is one of the drawback of having an audience (and as Nietzsche said, audiences rarely have a brain on a whole), but there are limits. All in all, art directors, I share your pain.

Modifié par Amioran, 05 octobre 2010 - 04:17 .

[Thunderfox]

Yeah I don't care if a preview is negative if there points are valid. But calling Flemeth the Archdemon, come on their credibility just plummeted right there. As others said I think they were just looking fr things to complain about

[Brockololly]

Dave of Canada wrote..
It would've been more honest if the guy outright said he didn't play Origins or the demo considering how misinformed he is.

And yet the same guy played and reviewed Origins and gave it an 8/10.

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This is just the same crap that happens everytime a negative review/preview comes out. When Game Informer first reviewed Awakening and gave it a 7.75/10, you had people up in arms, rabble rabble rabble "Oh what an idiot reviewer, they surely don't know what they're talking about!" And you know what? Awakening wasn't as good as Origins and deserved its 7.75/10, IMO.

Newsflash: It seems possible to have loved Origins and see DA2 and not like the direction they're going or the changes they're making. There is nothing written in stone that just because DA2 has the BioWare name on it that its going to be some amazing game. I sure as hell hope DA2 is amazingly awesome.

But when even the former Lead Designer of Origins, Brent Knowles, who left BioWare last year, is wary of the direction they're taking DA2, thats a red flag to me:

Discussion on Dragon Age 2 began around this time and looking ahead I  knew that I wasn’t going to be satisfied with what Dragon Age 2 would  be. Party control/tactical combat are huge factors in my enjoyment of a  role-playing game as is adopting the role of the hero (i.e., customizing my character). I was fairly certain Dragon Age would transition towards more of a Mass Effect experience, which while enjoyable is not the type of role-playing game I play. Could I be the lead designer on such a  title? Certainly… though if I were going to work on a game adopting a  set-in-stone protagonist I’d rather work on something lighter, like a  shooter.

So yeah, when the lead designer of Origins says DA2 is going down the action RPG Mass Effect route, I'll take his word for it. Its no coincidence that most previews are also going with the "Dragon Effect" mantra- I'm not saying that as a negative but just as the direction BioWare is taking DA.

And making DA more like ME is not an RPG I particularly care too much about. The beauty of Origins and ME is that they're RPGs on 2 different ends of a spectrum and now it seems as if BioWare is shifting DA towards ME.

Modifié par Brockololly, 05 octobre 2010 - 04:52 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

It does touch on key issues (the ugly graphics), but overall I found it unthorough and meeh. Yes calling Flemeth the Archdemon is annoying. And from what I gathered, it's just as busy criticizing Origins. So it doesn't seem to praise the change and yet also complains about perceived flaws from Origins. So yea overall, didn't say much new or pertinent. And I am on the "worried" side of the fence when it comes to DA2.

[the_one_54321]

Are there people that actually complain about the use of color? Really?

[Brockololly]

Apparently, a game isn't "next gen" or "visceral" if its not a desaturated load of browns and gray. Because heaven forbid you add color into a game, that automatically means it'll turn into some neon nightmare...

[the_one_54321]

Why do you even care?

[The Masked Rog]

Brockololly wrote...

Apparently, a game isn't "next gen" or "visceral" if its not a desaturated load of browns and gray. Because heaven forbid you add color into a game, that automatically means it'll turn into some neon nightmare...

It would be pretty strange using color on an desolated landscape, which is what the Blightlands are.

[Faz432]

Brockololly wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote..
It would've been more honest if the guy outright said he didn't play Origins or the demo considering how misinformed he is.

And yet the same guy played and reviewed Origins and gave it an 8/10.

==================================

This is just the same crap that happens everytime a negative review/preview comes out. When Game Informer first reviewed Awakening and gave it a 7.75/10, you had people up in arms, rabble rabble rabble "Oh what an idiot reviewer, they surely don't know what they're talking about!" And you know what? Awakening wasn't as good as Origins and deserved its 7.75/10, IMO.

Newsflash: It seems possible to have loved Origins and see DA2 and not like the direction they're going or the changes they're making. There is nothing written in stone that just because DA2 has the BioWare name on it that its going to be some amazing game. I sure as hell hope DA2 is amazingly awesome.

But when even the former Lead Designer of Origins, Brent Knowles, who left BioWare last year, is wary of the direction they're taking DA2, thats a red flag to me:

Discussion on Dragon Age 2 began around this time and looking ahead I  knew that I wasn’t going to be satisfied with what Dragon Age 2 would  be. Party control/tactical combat are huge factors in my enjoyment of a  role-playing game as is adopting the role of the hero (i.e., customizing my character). I was fairly certain Dragon Age would transition towards more of a Mass Effect experience, which while enjoyable is not the type of role-playing game I play. Could I be the lead designer on such a  title? Certainly… though if I were going to work on a game adopting a  set-in-stone protagonist I’d rather work on something lighter, like a  shooter.

So yeah, when the lead designer of Origins says DA2 is going down the action RPG Mass Effect route, I'll take his word for it. Its no coincidence that most previews are also going with the "Dragon Effect" mantra- I'm not saying that as a negative but just as the direction BioWare is taking DA.

And making DA more like ME is not an RPG I particularly care too much about. The beauty of Origins and ME is that they're RPGs on 2 different ends of a spectrum and now it seems as if BioWare is shifting DA towards ME.

Wow!

That Brent Knowles bit kinda just backs up people who can see the direction Bioware under EA is going, and how DA is going to be mass effected.

I agree with what you say about with the writer of the preview, he's previewed and reviewed many games is he wrong about them all or just DA2?

While it's true we can't be overly critical of a game that's still has 5 months before release but equally some people can't just blindly defend it for the same reason.

Just to quote what I said before -

Faz432 wrote...

You can make the excuses you like but at
the end of the day he went to a Bioware presentation of DA2, which
should be designed to impress game journos and yet he's come away
feeling meh.

Why hasn't he come away with the "omg this looks amazing" feeling?

like he did with this article?

 www.bit-tech.net/blog/2010/08/20/the-best-thing-at-gamescom-2010/

Same site, same writer, different opinions.

Modifié par Faz432, 05 octobre 2010 - 05:37 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Dhiro wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Good news!

Realism FTW!

Sarcasm?

No.

[lv12medic]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Are there people that actually complain about the use of color? Really?

You just made a rainbow cry...

Anyways, I always thought that games that try to make things look more realistic end up looking brown because everything is dirty and dark and depressing and the last time I checked, dirt is brown.

[the_one_54321]

lv12medic wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
Are there people that actually complain about the use of color? Really?

You just made a rainbow cry...

Anyways, I always thought that games that try to make things look more realistic end up looking brown because everything is dirty and dark and depressing and the last time I checked, dirt is brown.

You know what concerns me in the graphics? Details. Frame rate. Clarity. Textures. Animation. Facial structure.
Technical issues.
Art and style (like use of color) are purely subjective and it's pointless to debate about them.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 05 octobre 2010 - 05:44 .