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[Flamesz]

Is it ever actually said whether he died or was just comatose and extremely damaged? It gets confusing, especially when Shepard says that stupid line "I Got Better."

[crimzontearz]

yeah......Jacob pretty much said "bring back to life" and "you were dead as dead can be, everywhere else they would have put you in a coffin"

[Fiery Phoenix]

You have people who claim Shepard was completely dead (e.g. Jacob) and others who claim she was only "mostly" dead (e.g. Feron from Redemption; Shepard herself at some point in ME2).



In the end, we know not!

[Amathal]

Flamesz wrote...

Is it ever actually said whether he died or was just comatose and extremely damaged? It gets confusing, especially when Shepard says that stupid line "I Got Better."

That line was intended more as a joke. Honestly who gets better after getting spaced, burning up in the atmosphere and having thousands? or is in hundreds of breaks all over your bone structure.

[smudboy]

Wait wait wait, burning up in the atmosphere? Burning up in the atmosphere = atomized.



Shepard magically fell to the ground from Space Land and magically didn't have their brain freeze upon dying by the Power of Evil Death Gods, because of Mass Effect ™ fields. Shepard could also convert methane and ammonia gas into oxygen through his Combat Armor even though they were dead, cause cellular respiration, Shepard Style, is that Bad Ass.

[Sundance31us]

Going from the cut scene:

An explosion causes him/her to strike a bulkhead hard enough to rupture his/her suit; you can actually see the oxygen leaking before the cut scene of the ship being cut in two. After the ship explodes you have the scene with bits of the ship flying by and Shep's suit really begins loosing air until he/she) passes out.

Personally, I believe he/she dies due to oxygen deprivation, but if that didn't do it the planetary re-entry certainly did.

The first Lazarus cut scenes clearly show dead tissue including Shep's heart; kudos to Bioware for getting the coloration/texture correct.

Also, the Lazarus load screens show an extremely mutilated skeletal frame and then a "corrected" one with cybernetic implants.

Shepard died IMO.

[TMA LIVE]

smudboy wrote...

Wait wait wait, burning up in the atmosphere? Burning up in the atmosphere = atomized.

Shepard magically fell to the ground from Space Land and magically didn't have their brain freeze upon dying by the Power of Evil Death Gods, because of Mass Effect ™ fields. Shepard could also convert methane and ammonia gas into oxygen through his Combat Armor even though they were dead, cause cellular respiration, Shepard Style, is that Bad Ass.

Kind of makes you wonder if in ME3 they tell you you're not the real commander Shepard, and you're mostly just a clone, or some robot they made, and programmed to "think" it was Commander Shepard, with whatever memories they could grab from his busted brain.

That, or you're Robo-Cop, who's brain still works despite the magnum round to the head.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 05 octobre 2010 - 05:37 .

[ashwind]

If Shepard can survive (however barely) that - you know, falling into the planet's through the atmosphere and all - I think he would be more powerful than a Reaper

[AlexMBrennan]

I'd argue that he didn't die. Obviously Shepard's brain remained viable until his remains were recovered since otherwise there'd be no game. Arguing about the odds of this event is pointless.
[Note that it is possible for patients to make a full recovery after being without a heart beat, blood pressure or brain activity for up to an hour in special circumstances]

Subsequently only Cerberus was willing to throw enough resources at this project to rebuild Shepard on the off-chance that he'd be able to recover sufficiently to be useful.

That's the best explanation I can come up with that doesn't openly contradict canon.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 05 octobre 2010 - 06:04 .

[Gethforceone]

Did they ever say he really hit the planet?

[Schneidend]

Clinically dead, and the Cerberus Daily News story about President Huerta implies a more sophisticated version of the technology used to preserve his brain patterns was used in Project Lazarus. Either that, or those CDN stories were merely intended to poke fun at the people who freaked out at the prospect of Shepard being a "cyborg zombie."

[Zulu_DFA]

Dusty Everman, BioWare:

http://social.biowar...69330/3#3171547



Feron, Redemption:

http://social.biowar...9330/23#4620132



Jacob, Mass Effect 2:

http://social.biowar...9330/23#4620368



Zulu_DFA, HOW SHEPARD SURVIVED THE CRASH:

http://social.biowar...5/index/2709565



Plus en.wikipedia.org

clinical death
legal death
brain death
information-theoretic death
hypothermia
therapeutic hypothermia

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 05 octobre 2010 - 06:41 .

[crimzontearz]

zulu I always wondered if you were serious when you posted that thread

[Zulu_DFA]

crimzontearz wrote...

zulu I always wondered if you were serious when you posted that thread

dead on.

[crimzontearz]

well.....would have made more sense than him surviving reentry like in the cutscene.....

[smudboy]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

zulu I always wondered if you were serious when you posted that thread

dead on.

Oddly enough, Zulu's theory is more scientifically sound.

[AntiChri5]

Which is really saying something.

[Sundance31us]

Historically speaking:



# 1967 April 24: parachute failure: Soviet cosmonaut Vladimir Komarov died on board Soyuz 1. His one-day mission had been plagued by a series of mishaps with the new type of spacecraft, which culminated in the capsule's parachute not opening properly after atmospheric reentry. Komarov was killed when the capsule hit the ground at high speed.



# 1971 June 30: crew exposed to vacuum of space: The crew of Soyuz 11, Georgi Dobrovolski, Viktor Patsayev and Vladislav Volkov, were killed after undocking from space station Salyut 1 after a three-week stay. A valve on their spacecraft had accidentally opened when the service module separated, which was only discovered when the module was opened by the recovery team.



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In the end...



Completely dead or nearly dead it's a game and you play it the way you want.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Your post about Jacob's comments is still full of win, Zulu.

[Zulu_DFA]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Your post about Jacob's comments is still full of win, Zulu.

Then re-read it in Zaeed's voice for double win!

[Therion942]

Another one o' them unexplained things that should have had 2 or 3 hours of time devoted to it, but didn't.

Yes you died. Dead as dead can be, now I can live with that, what should have been told to us is how your brain and/or consciousness survived. But that's okay there's a hallway full o' robots for you to shoot at.

Modifié par Therion942, 05 octobre 2010 - 07:38 .

[Elyvern]

if you need more evidence, Mass Effect: Redemption says your body is so mangled it's not even recognisable as male or female.

[KenLyns]

A Cerberus death panel convened, and after three hours of discussions, voted that Shepard was in fact dead.

[LordPennlocke]

TMA LIVE wrote... That, or you're Robo-Cop, who's brain still works despite the magnum round to the head.

This works best with Kestrel Armor and Helm.

Doesn't make sense though when he tells Tali at the start of the game that he 'nearly' died, but later while conversing with Joker he goes 'I hope so, I died.'

[xSTONEYx187x]

Halo 3.



Master Chiefs armour saved him. Maybe the same happened with Shepard.

Modifié par xSTONEYx187x, 05 octobre 2010 - 11:48 .