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[Zulu_DFA]

ShoepZA wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Dusty Everman, BioWare:

http://social.biowar...69330/3#3171547



Feron, Redemption:

http://social.biowar...9330/23#4620132



Jacob, Mass Effect 2:

http://social.biowar...9330/23#4620368



Zulu_DFA, HOW SHEPARD SURVIVED THE CRASH:

http://social.biowar...5/index/2709565



Plus en.wikipedia.org

clinical death
legal death
brain death
information-theoretic death
hypothermia
therapeutic hypothermia

Why exactly did you list yourself as a source?

Because of Jack's ultimate reason for tattoos. What's wrong with that?

[Sundance31us]

Lazarus Project Load Screen:

The word shattered comes to mind.

[HazelrahFiver]

Sundance31us wrote...

Lazarus Project Load Screen:

The word shattered comes to mind.

Things to point out though: the framework of a human body remains intact, and there does not appear to be any damage to the skull.  At the least, we can't see any obvious breaks like we do throughout the rest of the body.  That being the case, those who said as long as the brain is surviving the body can be restored, would make sense.

[Zulu_DFA]

Sundance31us wrote...

Lazarus Project Load Screen:

The word shattered comes to mind.

Actually, it doesn't look like fractures at all. The bones are not displaced. (Like they would be in case of impact).

It looks like some fragments are missing, because of the necrosis of the tissue due to freezing.

[Sorwis]

xSTONEYx187x wrote...

Halo 3.



Master Chiefs armour saved him. Maybe the same happened with Shepard.

Chief and his armor are way more advanced than Shepard's basic armor and normal human body. Chief has gone through several augmentations and other medical procedures just to become a super soldier. Everything in his body from muscle tissue, nerves and bone matter has been enhanced by numerous medical procedures during his training and youth. He heals quickly, his bones are almost unbreakable, his muscles are a lot more dense than a normal human's(such as Shepard's) etc. His armor also has several layers of different materials to reduce the effects of things like physical impact(like the gel-layer mentioned in H3's beginning) and burning. The armor can also be put in a complete lockdown to prevent injuries from hard impacts. The armor is a state-of-the-art MJOLNIR Mark VI prototype armor from the year 2552+(ME happens in 2183+). Chief also landed with a piece of a Forerunner ship under him, into the woods with dense vegetation and relatively soft soil underneath. I can understand how Chief survived from that drop but Shepard should've been simply vaporized in the atmosphere. And from what I can tell the planet towards which Shepard drifted seemed to have an atmosphere.

It could be somehow undestandable that you could grow the body from almost any condition to it's original shape and form in the future. But the condition of the body isn't the most important or confusing part of the Shepard's death, the brains are. There is and never will be any possible way to get all the Shepard's memories and thoughts back into their original order if the brain were even slightly damaged from inside. Freezing, burning, lack of oxygen, vacuum, impact... all of those things would simply do irreversible changes to the brains. It would've made a lot more sense if Shepard had to go through a long education period before he could do anything rational after the Lazarus Project. Instead he just suddenly seems to remember everything and everyone from his past after waking up. He's also in almost perfect physical shape apart from his Terminator-like facial scars.

All of this raises a question: Why the hell did Shepard even had to die in the first place? To get a reason to re-arrange his facial structure or change his combat abilities? That reason is simply not good enough. If you can get a logical explanation of how he survived, leave Shepard alive. And this did what to the plot? It buys time for all the other charecters to (mysteriously)evolve and makes things damn confusing after finally waking up.

Modifié par Sorwis, 07 octobre 2010 - 03:20 .

[Sundance31us]

Which is more upsetting?

They kill Shepard and bring him back.
-OR-
After reviving Shepard, they immediately kill all the scientists involved in his resurrection eliminating any chance of asking them questions about it.
<_<

Modifié par Sundance31us, 07 octobre 2010 - 04:16 .

[HazelrahFiver]

Sundance31us wrote...

Which is more upsetting?

They kill Shepard and bring him back.
-OR-
After reviving Shepard, they immediately kill all the scientists involved in his resurrection eliminating any chance of asking them questions about it.
<_<

Well, not all of them.  Miranda was leader of the entire project.  Granted she's not a scientist, but she's extremely intelligent and could likely answer 90% of the questions any of us, or Shepard, could ask.  Only the intensely technical stuff would probably be out of her range, but it would be out of all of our ranges as well (most of us anyway, for all I know a few of you could be mad scientists.)

[Sundance31us]

LOL I just consider myself a sick puppy for finding all of this rather fascinating.



When you ask Jacob about the project he refers you to Miranda, who in turn refers you to the Illusive Man. In the end, you're not given the option of asking and no one offers an explanation.

You'd think after romancing Miranda you'd at least get a chance to ask.

[Praetor Knight]

In the modern military, paratroopers and other specialists do halo jumps from high orbit, which are high risk high reward jumps. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HALO_jump , so there are techniques used to keep the body going for the jump.

in the Mass Effect Universe Shepard an N7 Special Forces guy and has the zero-g training so after his suit ruptures, before he loses all oxygen he could have activated an emergency protocol, like immunity, also there is the combat exoskeleton that makes biotics less effective... so if the suit had that and the kinetic shields, shepard should survive entry. the issue then becomes the landing and the extreme cold.

back to the openning video: it shows the normandy very close to the planet so it seems that shepard was caught in the gravity well, which is why he is in free fall, I have a cousin who was a paratrooper and there were stories of guys falling without the parachute openning and surviving the fall or hitting so hard they died from the massive impact. The key was altitude, velocity and body control! if the body is limber and you can roll into the impact it is possible to survive. if you're too fast you can go from being 5'8" to 3'2" if you land feet first from the impact.

Here is a section telling some stories of people surviving freefall http://en.wikipedia....Surviving_falls

so we know that shepard's skeleton was mangled from the Lazarus video and loading screen, so as long as his brain is mostly intact then the brain can recover. The brain is a wonderful thing, many people have survived nasty concussions, gunshots to the brain (Abraham Lincoln), not just the face and have lived to tell about it, if flash frozen from suit ruptures and nasty impact.

On another related interesting note: The force of Earth's gravity on a human being with a mass of 70 kg (154 lbs) is approximately 686 Newtons, so if Shepard is freefalling on a planet with a smaller mass the force is even less. I wonder how heavy Shepard was and his suit.

Edit: Bad Grammar and some info on Newtons and surviving free fall on Earth.

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 07 octobre 2010 - 09:17 .

[Schneidend]

ReconTeam wrote...

Shepard was dead, is still Shepard, and is now alive again.

Fix'd.

[Zan51]

Dunno about the science of it, but I do know when I was at school in Scotland, I had a friend in the school's Military Corps. They were kind of soldier cadets and would do training exercises after school and when older go on weekend training exercises. My friend came back a couple of times with horror stories and looked somewhat pale when telling me them. Like the kid who lost his hand when he didn't get it out of the way when loading a big ground based gun and the loading door was shut on it.

Or when they were doing parachute jumps and one kid's parachute failed to open and he ploughed into the ground at some ridiculous speed... Granted they only had army uniforms on, and this was on Earht where G is 1g not.8, but still...



It doesn't bother me, I want to enjoy the story and the game so I suspend disbelief. And I too like the beginning half hour of ME2 so much I stopped playing it and got ME1 to play first!