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[Ace Attorney]

Which did / will you pick?
Which do you like more (mechanical-wise & story-wise)?

I'm not sure on which to pick (but I'm 70%/30% in Loghain's favor). Story-wise, Alistair while probably the 2nd funniest character in DAO (Shale is #1), I HATE his whining and how, from what I've heard, reacts to the MC giving Loghain mercy. Loghain, on the other hand, is very interesting. A fallen war hero is cool IMO.
Mechanical-wise, I dunno since I dunno how Loghain handles.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Alistair.
Alistair.

Alistair is better in every way.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 12 novembre 2009 - 12:17 .

[GhoXen]

Oghren beats them all.

[Maria Caliban]

Loghain.



Alistiar is sweet, but he is not good or just. When Ferelden needs him most, he abandons his duty out of petty jealousy. A man like that should not be king any more than Loghain should.



Loghain, on the other hand, is terribly cruel and deluded, but he can serve his country one last time by ending the Blight.

[II Relics II]

Loghaine, the man is a great hero, although this time his paranoidness almost cause him to break Ferelden, he had a good reason to do so... If you haven't read the books then I highly suggest you do to get a better view of Loghaine.

[Wissenschaft]

I let Alistiar be king. Loghain had to die for all he did!

Besides, Leliana says it best in one of the random banters: Plenty of fools become king. Alistiar might be a fool but hes not a complete fool.

Alistiar: Oh, yeah, thanks......

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 12 novembre 2009 - 12:30 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Loghain.

Alistiar is sweet, but he is not good or just. When Ferelden needs him most, he abandons his duty out of petty jealousy. A man like that should not be king any more than Loghain should.

Loghain, on the other hand, is terribly cruel and deluded, but he can serve his country one last time by ending the Blight.

That's why you don't let Alistair become king. I agree his behavior over Loghain is a little childish, but he's still the better choice if you ask me. He lets his emotions control his behavior in one scene under a lot of duress. I don't blame him for his choice, really.

[scfs123]

I went loghain, i was kinda hoping to get with his daughter when it was all done >.>

[LordNige]

I picked Loghain over Alistair since I played my character as the forgiving type, that spares lives when he can. Mechanically speaking Loghain isn't ideal since you come to him later in the game and he's auto-levelled a lot meaning he's not as malleable a character as Alistair who you have control of since level 2-3.

[Ace Attorney]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Loghain.

Alistiar is sweet, but he is not good or just. When Ferelden needs him most, he abandons his duty out of petty jealousy. A man like that should not be king any more than Loghain should.

Loghain, on the other hand, is terribly cruel and deluded, but he can serve his country one last time by ending the Blight.

That's why you don't let Alistair become king. I agree his behavior over Loghain is a little childish, but he's still the better choice if you ask me. He lets his emotions control his behavior in one scene under a lot of duress. I don't blame him for his choice, really.

He doesn't act like an adult throughout the whole game, i.e. killing the demon possessed child

[Mordern]

I took Alistair, personally. As good a redemption story as Loghain slaying the Archdemon would be, I needed Alistair to be my flunky on the throne.



I mean friend. Best friend.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Alistair, for both mechanical and plot reasons. I do feel bad for Teryn Loghain, but he really deserves no better than death after all the trouble he's caused.

I'm debating on whether or not to let Alistair become king, since I was a bad girl and spoiled the possible endings before finishing the game. On one hand, he's good-hearted and incredibly sweet and kind--he would never be a tyrant or deluded like Loghain. On the other hand, he's decidedly spineless and childish at the most inconvenient times.  Don't get me wrong though--I love the boy more than anything else (except chocolate and Shale and setting darkspawn on fire).

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 12 novembre 2009 - 01:43 .

[Kalfear]

In my first play through I thought I did the noble thing and allowed Logain to live and regain his honor. Allistar objected huge and left, leaving me with Logain.

Welp we worked well and killed the Dragon

But it didnt feel right so I went to a old save and got Allistar and killed Logain.

Now im stuck on attempt #3 of killing Dragon on casual setting cause Allistar is about as useful as a wet paper bag when it comes to combat. He really is a rather crappy character battle wise.
Not sure im going to win this fight, got a few ideas to try but hes just such a huge penalty to the group, he literally brings nothing good to it!

I think in future games ill spec him as a 2 hander rather then sword and sheild cause even with 40 str, he does no real damage right now and even though I put the (armor from Werewolves) on him, he still drops dead in matter of seconds.

Logain a much better fighter, thats for sure.

[Talonius]

I had Alistair and Namora agree to marry; gotta make sure you whack Loghain yourself, though.



There's no way I'd let Loghain live. He abandoned his King, taking the troops desperately needed. He abandoned the Grey Wardens, letting the most crucial forces die uselessly. He poisoned Arl Eamon, demonstrating that he knew the Arl was capable of standing in his way of the throne. He sold my people into slavery in order to fund his war -- you can sell many things, but never, ever people. He condoned the killing of the Cousland family in order to remove a barrier to the throne. I firmly believe (but have no proof) that he is the one who contracted the Antivan Crows to kill the main character.



There is nothing redeemable about Loghain. Nothing.



Alistair may not be a fantastic choice, but given just the two... Alistair would be it. There's nothing saying I wouldn't be there to advice him.

[Malanthor]

Loghain is a pathetic betrayer with delusions of grandeur, while alistair is a descent human beeing, buhu he walks away if you forgives the guy who betrayed hes mentor the grey wardens, the king and the army so what?? Thats perfectly understanbly, that is like taking the high road and saying i will not go there... no matter what.. sure it may not be the smartest but in reality its not like alistair is gonne break or make the day, hes 1 guy after all not an army. I would have walked up to logain and stuck my sword through hes throat from behind after hes defeat to the player character if i had too. So kill that son of a ****!!! People are like he complains so much, and he kills a demon posessed child, bla bla. all perfectly acceptable. If you truly would go with logain after what he did and are trying to rationally defend it you need to get a grip of yourself.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Loghain, Loghain, Loghain. A war hero and a man ready to sacrifice himself for Ferelden.

Alistair is an infant, not fit to be a Grey Warden, let alone fit to be a king. Loghain makes a much better Grey Warden and leader.

[Ace Attorney]

Self Controll wrote...

Loghain is a pathetic betrayer with delusions of grandeur, while alistair is a descent human beeing, buhu he walks away if you forgives the guy who betrayed hes mentor the grey wardens, the king and the army so what?? Thats perfectly understanbly, that is like taking the high road and saying i will not go there... no matter what.. sure it may not be the smartest but in reality its not like alistair is gonne break or make the day, hes 1 guy after all not an army. I would have walked up to logain and stuck my sword through hes throat from behind after hes defeat to the player character if i had too. So kill that son of a ****!!! People are like he complains so much, and he kills a demon posessed child, bla bla. all perfectly acceptable. If you truly would go with logain after what he did and are trying to rationally defend it you need to get a grip of yourself.

In the battlefield, Killer > whiner

[Malkavianqueen]

Logain! ^__^ Mainly because I loved him in the books and my character was evil anyway. Alistair bugged me throughout the entire game...



...Just like his father did throughout the books...



I think before I had him executed he liked me negative 53 or something...And that's with giving him random gifts.

[elikal71]

Alistair is the WORST choice for a King I can imagine. ALL the way through he did not want to decide about anything, he always shoves the decsions to others, usually the player, he is drowned in crying and self-pity... I can't think of a less qualified person as king. It's usually the case with monarchy and aristocracy; it places imbeciles on thrones for the mere coincidence of blood lines. Thats why they died out in modern days.



I would not want a throne for myself, either. Too much hassle. I didn't play on, but I prolly would have granted him mercy, for the simple sake that it goes against my rules to slay a person who asks for mercy and gives up. I don't hand out death penalities, remembering what Gandalf said about people deserving to die.



Alistair leaves everything in ruins because he does not get revenge? Sorry, but such a person should not be ruler. Period.

[Boeresmurf]

can u imagine a cry baby king....

pick loghain

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Boeresmurf wrote...

can u imagine a cry baby king....
pick loghain

Who wants a cry-baby when you can have a tyrannical man who sells his own people into slavery m i rite?

[Boeresmurf]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Boeresmurf wrote...

can u imagine a cry baby king....
pick loghain

Who wants a cry-baby when you can have a tyrannical man who sells his own people into slavery m i rite?

we talking about my pc as king or loghain. now ?  

loghain atleast knows how to make and handle with hard decisions,gh he made one misstake, hey .. he is only human everybody makes misstakes. though his misstake got the king/ a ****load of wardens and half an nation screwed over.

his view was limitied at that time, i think that if u give him a better perspective about the world  he can be a great leader.

allistair can also beroyal.. but i see him more fit in as the royal nar.  

[KnightofPhoenix]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Boeresmurf wrote...

can u imagine a cry baby king....
pick loghain

Who wants a cry-baby when you can have a tyrannical man who sells his own people into slavery m i rite?

I would rather have a tyrant than a whimp to be honest. Political efficiency is much more important than being "good". Besides, the elves were already treated as second class citizens. They are not really his people. If he had done that on humans, then things would have been different.

But Loghain is not an ideal King, even he knows this. That's why he never wanted to overthrow his daughter. That's why he supported MAric and never thought of overthrowing him. Or even Cailain for that matter, until he proved he was a child.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Alistair is young, like Maric was when he took over. Maric was a pretty well-respected king and well-loved king. You can argue that Loghain was behind everything Maric did, but that's not entirely true. As Eamon says, Alistair can learn to rule. Loghain is too far gone to be trusted.

Loghain can make "hard decisions" because he's a tyrant, and he made more than one mistake. He was worried other people wouldn't support him so he tried to kill them, tortured their children, or otherwise extorted them. He thought Orlais was a threat, so he killed the king to try and ensure they wouldn't invade. He says he wants to protect Ferelden but he sells its people into slavery...

I'd rather gamble on Alistair, tbh.
But Anora is better than both.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 12 novembre 2009 - 06:48 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I would rather have a tyrant than a whimp to be honest. Political efficiency is much more important than being "good". Besides, the elves were already treated as second class citizens. They are not really his people. If he had done that on humans, then things would have been different.

Are you kidding me? You seriously believe the elves are not his people? 
Yeah, they're second-class citizens. See the word "citizens" there? I do. They are his people. They are Fereldans. He sold them into slavery. It would have been no different if he had sold humans. No different at all.