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[KJandrew]

Gerudan wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

But if you import your mage will people reference the fact that Hawke's cousin his a great hero at least until Hawke becomes one himself? Or will Templars be more hostile to Hawke if it becomes common knowledge that his family is responisble for the disolving of the Tower in Fereldan?
Or am i just hoping for too much? 

How would the other people even know the name of his mother?

stop ruining my dream!

[KJandrew]

Gerudan wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

But if you import your mage will people reference the fact that Hawke's cousin his a great hero at least until Hawke becomes one himself? Or will Templars be more hostile to Hawke if it becomes common knowledge that his family is responisble for the disolving of the Tower in Fereldan?
Or am i just hoping for too much? 

How would the other people even know the name of his mother?

She could have been a well known figure in Lothering or i'm assuming that the Mage Warden was born in Fereldan so people might know that Hawke's mother is related to the Mage's father/mother

[Creature 1]

I *don't* like the idea--what are the odds? And another mage in the family? Jeez louise, if it's that easily inherited (see Isolde as well) why do Templars let these people breed? Making Hawke the cousin of the Gray Warden responsible for ending the Blight doesn't make the story more integrated, it strains my willing suspension of disbelief.

[marshalleck]

Creature 1 wrote...

I *don't* like the idea--what are the odds? And another mage in the family? Jeez louise, if it's that easily inherited (see Isolde as well) why do Templars let these people breed? Making Hawke the cousin of the Gray Warden responsible for ending the Blight doesn't make the story more integrated, it strains my willing suspension of disbelief.

That's only true of  human mage Wardens, why are you freaking out?

Modifié par marshalleck, 05 octobre 2010 - 10:09 .

[Creature 1]

marshalleck wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

I *don't* like the idea--what are the odds? And another mage in the family? Jeez louise, if it's that easily inherited (see Isolde as well) why do Templars let these people breed? Making Hawke the cousin of the Gray Warden responsible for ending the Blight doesn't make the story more integrated, it strains my willing suspension of disbelief.

That's only true of  human mage Wardens, why are you freaking out?

You haven't seen me freak out.    And I would be just as irritated if it were any other Warden's relative.  They've all saved the world in one iteration or another.  Making the next savior of the world (or whatever) their cousin is straining credulity. 

[JamieCOTC]

Creature 1 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

I *don't* like the idea--what are the odds? And another mage in the family? Jeez louise, if it's that easily inherited (see Isolde as well) why do Templars let these people breed? Making Hawke the cousin of the Gray Warden responsible for ending the Blight doesn't make the story more integrated, it strains my willing suspension of disbelief.

That's only true of  human mage Wardens, why are you freaking out?

You haven't seen me freak out.    And I would be just as irritated if it were any other Warden's relative.  They've all saved the world in one iteration or another.  Making the next savior of the world (or whatever) their cousin is straining credulity. 

I duuno, maybe it's genetic. 

Mama Hawke: Don't let the Templars get you, dear. They got your cousin and we never heard from her again.  Maker only knows what happened to her.  
Mage Hawke: I have a cousin?
Mama Hawke: Best to put her out of your mind, as if she never existed. 
Mage Hawke: Uhhh ... okay.  If you say so. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 05 octobre 2010 - 10:30 .

[Nerevar-as]

Creature 1 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

I *don't* like the idea--what are the odds? And another mage in the family? Jeez louise, if it's that easily inherited (see Isolde as well) why do Templars let these people breed? Making Hawke the cousin of the Gray Warden responsible for ending the Blight doesn't make the story more integrated, it strains my willing suspension of disbelief.

That's only true of  human mage Wardens, why are you freaking out?

You haven't seen me freak out.    And I would be just as irritated if it were any other Warden's relative.  They've all saved the world in one iteration or another.  Making the next savior of the world (or whatever) their cousin is straining credulity. 

Only unlikely. It only happens with two of fourteen possible GW after all. In the same country.

[Nerevar-as]

It gets better. Now Hawke can be related to the OGB.

[AlexXIV]

There's always people against or for something, no matter what it is I guess. That said I have to say I don't like the idea much. My mage Warden is elven tough, so it won't bother me anyway. It sounds a bit like Bioware giving in to the public pressure by the people who want more connection between DA:O and DA2, so they sacrifice common sense for a fake feeling of connection. But honestly, if the Warden lived during Hawke's rise to power and earth-shattering events that are going to change all of Thedas, how likely is it that he or she just sits in Ferelden watching the world change, especially if he or she is a (even if only distant) relative of Hawke?

[Kerilus]

So my Warden's father or uncle banged a human chick and have Hawke, huh?

[Yaskaleh]

Kerilus wrote...

So my Warden's father or uncle banged a human chick and have Hawke, huh?

Probably not. What we know is that the human mage warden is related to Hawke's mother.

Modifié par Yaskaleh, 05 octobre 2010 - 11:02 .

[LobselVith8]

KJandrew wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

They are relatives. You can find out exactly how in DA2, but it's nothing earth-shattering if that's what you might be assuming.

But if you import your mage will people reference the fact that Hawke's cousin his a great hero at least until Hawke becomes one himself? Or will Templars be more hostile to Hawke if it becomes common knowledge that his family is responisble for the disolving of the Tower in Fereldan?
Or am i just hoping for too much? 

Unfortunately, the Circle of Ferelden doesn't get dissolved.

David Gaider wrote...

It does come up, actually.

Keep in mind, however, that the kingdom doesn't control the Circle of Magi. That conversation no doubt went a little like this:

King/Queen: "We would like mages in Ferelden to be free."
Chantry: "No."

That said, the conversation doesn't necessarily stop there-- as you'll see. We can indeed pick up the boons the Origins player was granted and do intend to use them in the future.

[Riona45]

Gerudan wrote...

Hm, I like the idea, that two mages from the same family are going to shape "my" Thedas. :>

I quite love it myself.  Two great heroines from the same amazing bloodline.

[Riona45]

LobselVith8 wrote...


Unfortunately, the Circle of Ferelden doesn't get dissolved.

I'd like to point out that the point of the boon was to grant the Circle more autonomy, not dissolve it completely.

That said, let's not forget that the boon does have some effect, we just don't know all the details yet.

Modifié par Riona45, 05 octobre 2010 - 11:40 .

[Riona45]

KJandrew wrote...
She could have been a well known figure in Lothering or i'm assuming that the Mage Warden was born in Fereldan so people might know that Hawke's mother is related to the Mage's father/mother

The mage Warden was definitely born in Ferelden.  When the hermit mage in the Brecilian Forest asks where you were born, you have the option to say Denerim or Highever.  And of course, if you were born in a different country, odds are that you never would have ended up at Ferelden's Circle.

[Riona45]

AlexXIV wrote...
It sounds a bit like Bioware giving in to the public pressure by the people who want more connection between DA:O and DA2, so they sacrifice common sense for a fake feeling of connection.

I'm pretty sure this detail was in place before the game was announced.

[revan11exile]

Nerevar-as wrote...

It gets better. Now Hawke can be related to the OGB.

Yep now if my Warden sees Hawke he can tell him his little cousin is an OGB:wizard:

[AlexXIV]

Riona45 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
It sounds a bit like Bioware giving in to the public pressure by the people who want more connection between DA:O and DA2, so they sacrifice common sense for a fake feeling of connection.

I'm pretty sure this detail was in place before the game was announced.

Possible, But also possible that it wasn't. They can change stuff until release as much as they want, and that's not something difficult to do since it won't even play into the main plot or anything. I really don't mind that they are relatives if it actually matters for the story, but why strain creditablity for nothing? Doesn't go into my head. If things like this happen a little voice in my ear is whispering to me 'They think you are stupid', and that's what bothers me. How can people who think their audience is stupid even write good stories?

Modifié par AlexXIV, 06 octobre 2010 - 01:11 .

[Riona45]

AlexXIV wrote...


Possible, But also possible that it wasn't.

I doubt it, but either way, who cares?  You don't have to import a mage PC, and if you do, it's a nice little nod to that particular character.  Any person has many ancestors and relatives--it doesn't stretch credibility, IMO, that Hawke is some sort of (most likely distant) cousin to Warden Amell.

[gamedog2408]

wow this is a pretty cool connection I did not know where do you see or hear the ameil name I dont remember it or anything about my mage wardens time before the circle

[Riona45]

gamedog2408 wrote...

wow this is a pretty cool connection I did not know where do you see or hear the ameil name I dont remember it or anything about my mage wardens time before the circle

It is the default surname for the human mage PC.

[AlexXIV]

Riona45 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...


Possible, But also possible that it wasn't.

I doubt it, but either way, who cares?  You don't have to import a mage PC, and if you do, it's a nice little nod to that particular character.  Any person has many ancestors and relatives--it doesn't stretch credibility, IMO, that Hawke is some sort of (most likely distant) cousin to Warden Amell.

Well then we are only missing that Flemeth is some ancestor of the Hawke's and Duncan also some distant relative and we keep it all in the family. I mean, maybe not even a bad concept since soap operas are sorta popular.

[marshalleck]

AlexXIV wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...


Possible, But also possible that it wasn't.

I doubt it, but either way, who cares?  You don't have to import a mage PC, and if you do, it's a nice little nod to that particular character.  Any person has many ancestors and relatives--it doesn't stretch credibility, IMO, that Hawke is some sort of (most likely distant) cousin to Warden Amell.

Well then we are only missing that Flemeth is some ancestor of the Hawke's and Duncan also some distant relative and we keep it all in the family. I mean, maybe not even a bad concept since soap operas are sorta popular.

You're overstating it. It's not like Human Mage Warden and Hawke are siblings; at best, they are cousins. It's likely that the relation is even more distant than that. And besides, the argument is moot anyways since Mr. Gaider has stated that the relation is only a minor detail and doesn't have major significance in the plot. 

[Zenjamin]

David Gaider wrote...

They are relatives. You can find out exactly how in DA2, but it's nothing earth-shattering if that's what you might be assuming.

What if your warden was not a mage?
Still related?

[HopHazzard]

Zenjamin wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

They are relatives. You can find out exactly how in DA2, but it's nothing earth-shattering if that's what you might be assuming.

What if your warden was not a mage?
Still related?

Unlikely, since none of the other wardens have the same last name and most of them aren't human.