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[atheelogos]

Gerudan wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

But if you import your mage will people reference the fact that Hawke's cousin his a great hero at least until Hawke becomes one himself? Or will Templars be more hostile to Hawke if it becomes common knowledge that his family is responisble for the disolving of the Tower in Fereldan?
Or am i just hoping for too much? 

How would the other people even know the name of his mother?

Well she is Noble. I'm guessing the family names of nobles is common knowledge.

[Aigyl]

Riona45 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...


Possible, But also possible that it wasn't.

I doubt it, but either way, who cares?  You don't have to import a mage PC, and if you do, it's a nice little nod to that particular character.  Any person has many ancestors and relatives--it doesn't stretch credibility, IMO, that Hawke is some sort of (most likely distant) cousin to Warden Amell.

I pretty much agree with this.

I will just add to the HN debate - I think the HN is seen as the 'default' or most integrated origin because he/she already has an established status and identity in Ferelden, plus their 'homecoming' area is the penultimate chapter which has major consequences (Landsmeet). The Wardens from the other origins tend to be nobodies that come out of nowhere to save the world, thus they don't seem as well integrated into the setting, the exception being the DN (whose personal plotline is mostly restricted to Orzammar sadly).

And just for the record my 'canon' Warden is a Wizard

[NKKKK]

So...maybe the Amell female warden CAN be queen and not have none of this "concubine" crap.

[DKJaigen]

Zenjamin wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

They are relatives. You can find out exactly how in DA2, but it's nothing earth-shattering if that's what you might be assuming.

What if your warden was not a mage?
Still related?

Remember that all the orgin stories occur at one point. The difference between the varied orgins is that in the players orgin  duncan is there to safe your hide. if you have a different orgin the human mage will most likely die because he helped jowan escape and was executed or died during uldred revolt .

Modifié par DKJaigen, 06 octobre 2010 - 03:39 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I really like this idea that my Mage character and Hawke are related. It makes me feel like when I do import my Mage and play as a mage hawke that there's a deeper conection between the two games. I know that this fact isn't going to bring up anything huge in the plot but it will be nice to hear perhaps some unique dialogues. Something like "The Amell bloodline has always been strong and rich with magic. It was an Amell who brought the Blight to and end and now an Amell is the champion of Kirkwall."



Some little nod like that would be more than enough to make me happy

[Nerevar-as]

NKKKK wrote...

So...maybe the Amell female warden CAN be queen and not have none of this "concubine" crap.

MW can´t sit on the throne because of Chantry policy. Now you know what to do with Hawke.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

It is chantry law that mages are stipped of any title other than mage to make sure that a mage can't be put in a place of power. Which is why whats her name wanted Connor to be trained to hide his power because if he was found he'd be taken away from her and would lose his title.

[thegreateski]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

It is chantry law that mages are stipped of any title other than mage to make sure that a mage can't be put in a place of power.

Chancellor Mage Warden: "Uh oh"

Modifié par thegreateski, 06 octobre 2010 - 06:01 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Noble titles that would give them the opportunity to become a king or something like that. Being an advisor wouldn't be concidered in the same are.

[NamiraWilhelm]

Wow, awesome tidbit



Hadnt even thought about what warden to import from, this may well influence it

[Sable Rhapsody]

thegreateski wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

It is chantry law that mages are stipped of any title other than mage to make sure that a mage can't be put in a place of power.

Chancellor Mage Warden: "Uh oh"

Yet the Mage warden can become Warden-Commander of Vigil's Keep, and by extension, an arl or arlessa, and the Chantry doesn't lift a finger to stop it.  Probably because if they did, there would be a huge outcry.  So even in Chantry-centric Ferelden, there are circumstances that allow mages to hold titles and positions of authority.  I was personally rather surprised when my mage warden got the whole, "Yay you're our ruler!" thing.  

[AlexXIV]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

It is chantry law that mages are stipped of any title other than mage to make sure that a mage can't be put in a place of power.

Chancellor Mage Warden: "Uh oh"

Yet the Mage warden can become Warden-Commander of Vigil's Keep, and by extension, an arl or arlessa, and the Chantry doesn't lift a finger to stop it.  Probably because if they did, there would be a huge outcry.  So even in Chantry-centric Ferelden, there are circumstances that allow mages to hold titles and positions of authority.  I was personally rather surprised when my mage warden got the whole, "Yay you're our ruler!" thing.  

The good thing about DA politics, it can all come crushing down on you. The Chantry can have a word and threaten with Exalted Marches etc, but in effect if someone wants to push a law against huge resistence they will have to decide it in a bloodbath Which makes me smile because I like that alot more than politics.

[Raven_26]

Creature 1 wrote...

I *don't* like the idea--what are the odds? And another mage in the family? Jeez louise, if it's that easily inherited (see Isolde as well) why do Templars let these people breed? Making Hawke the cousin of the Gray Warden responsible for ending the Blight doesn't make the story more integrated, it strains my willing suspension of disbelief.

A little late reply I know, but Mages are allowed to both marry and have kids. If you recall Wynn had a son, but because she is a Circle mage, the templars took the baby away (we don't know if he was a mage).

So if Hawkes father was an apostate mage ( a mage outside of the Circle), and he lived in lothering, where there is a chantry, I would asume the templars don't know he is a  mage, or he would have been killed or capture.  It would sort of make sense that Hawkes father would hide and protect his kids.

Just my thought XD

[KJandrew]

Raven_26 wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

I *don't* like the idea--what are the odds? And another mage in the family? Jeez louise, if it's that easily inherited (see Isolde as well) why do Templars let these people breed? Making Hawke the cousin of the Gray Warden responsible for ending the Blight doesn't make the story more integrated, it strains my willing suspension of disbelief.

A little late reply I know, but Mages are allowed to both marry and have kids. If you recall Wynn had a son, but because she is a Circle mage, the templars took the baby away (we don't know if he was a mage).

So if Hawkes father was an apostate mage ( a mage outside of the Circle), and he lived in lothering, where there is a chantry, I would asume the templars don't know he is a  mage, or he would have been killed or capture.  It would sort of make sense that Hawkes father would hide and protect his kids.

Just my thought XD

I always thought that Lothering was a bit of a strange place for an apostate to hide seeing as it has a bunch of Templars and even more Templars pass through it on searches for Flemeth/

[Raven_26]

KJandrew wrote...

Raven_26 wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

I *don't* like the idea--what are the odds? And another mage in the family? Jeez louise, if it's that easily inherited (see Isolde as well) why do Templars let these people breed? Making Hawke the cousin of the Gray Warden responsible for ending the Blight doesn't make the story more integrated, it strains my willing suspension of disbelief.

A little late reply I know, but Mages are allowed to both marry and have kids. If you recall Wynn had a son, but because she is a Circle mage, the templars took the baby away (we don't know if he was a mage).

So if Hawkes father was an apostate mage ( a mage outside of the Circle), and he lived in lothering, where there is a chantry, I would asume the templars don't know he is a  mage, or he would have been killed or capture.  It would sort of make sense that Hawkes father would hide and protect his kids.

Just my thought XD

I always thought that Lothering was a bit of a strange place for an apostate to hide seeing as it has a bunch of Templars and even more Templars pass through it on searches for Flemeth/

Well that is true, I have thought the same. But I guess that sinces Flemeth is famous they don't focus so much on the villagers?

I mean when you are in Lothering with Morrigan, and talked to one of the npc templars they say something is strange about her, but don't do anything about her.  Then again maybe Hawkes father is smart enought to be dressed as any other villagers and not walking around with a staff? XD lol I don't know XD

Modifié par Raven_26, 11 octobre 2010 - 10:19 .

[Riona45]

DKJaigen wrote...

Remember that all the orgin stories occur at one point. The difference between the varied orgins is that in the players orgin  duncan is there to safe your hide. if you have a different orgin the human mage will most likely die because he helped jowan escape and was executed or died during uldred revolt .

Whatever punishment the mage would have gotten was never stated, and it's not absolutely certain that they would have died later, either, as there are enough mages left over to have them in your army (provided you "side" with the mages).

Modifié par Riona45, 11 octobre 2010 - 06:00 .

[Riona45]

Raven_26 wrote...

Well that is true, I have thought the same. But I guess that sinces Flemeth is famous they don't focus so much on the villagers?

I mean when you are in Lothering with Morrigan, and talked to one of the npc templars they they something is strange about her, but don't do anything about her.  Then again maybe Hawkes father is smart enought to be dressed as any other villagers and not walking around with a staff? XD lol I don't know XD

Yeah, I definitely got the impression that templars do not necessarily have automatic "mage sensing" powers.  If it were impossible to hide from them, there probably wouldn't be so many apostates.

Modifié par Riona45, 11 octobre 2010 - 06:04 .

[Raven_26]

Riona45 wrote...

Raven_26 wrote...

Well that is true, I have thought the same. But I guess that sinces Flemeth is famous they don't focus so much on the villagers?

I mean when you are in Lothering with Morrigan, and talked to one of the npc templars they they something is strange about her, but don't do anything about her.  Then again maybe Hawkes father is smart enought to be dressed as any other villagers and not walking around with a staff? XD lol I don't know XD

Yeah, I definitely got the impression that templars do not necessarily have automatic "mage sensing" powers.  If it were impossible to hide from them, there probably wouldn't be so many apostates.

True, I mean you have the Mages Collective in Denerim and a lot of other places. So there must be a way to hide.

[Mage One]

I would make a reasonable amount of sense. We know magic runs in bloodlines to at least the second generation, which is why it is frowned upon for a mage to have a child with another mage. Also, if you play as an elf mage, when you talk to Eadric you have the option of stating you're from Lotherling. Given that the children of elves and human are always human, it's very possible for even an elven mage to be a relative of Hawke.

[Alikain]

Two great heroines from the same amazing bloodline now i feel like rolling a human mage. I am going to inport my human noble charactor to the mage business will have to wait or should i say the family business will have to wait till i see how the storyline truns out.

[Neesee]

Mage One wrote...



I would make a reasonable amount of sense. We know magic runs in bloodlines to at least the second generation, which is why it is frowned upon for a mage to have a child with another mage. Also, if you play as an elf mage, when you talk to Eadric you have the option of stating you're from Lotherling. Given that the children of elves and human are always human, it's very possible for even an elven mage to be a relative of Hawke.

Full elven ancestor maybe but likely only part-elven cousins and such. Even then we wouldn't know right away that they were part elf since they'd look human, unless it was stated before meeting them. So no elf mage Wardens are related to Hawke by blood. Unless somehow one their ancestors had a fling with an Amell or Hawke and hey look we're distant cousins!

[Mage One]

Actually a group of full-elven children could go on to have a mix of both human and full-elven offspring, all of whom would be related. For example, an elven brother and sister both settle down around Lotherling. The brother marries an elf, the sister marries a human and takes his name. Provided the sister only has children with her husband, all of her children will physically be human. It is then easily possible for her to be the grandmother (mother even, did we not already know Hawke's mother was human) or further ancestor of Hawke. For our purposes, let's say the sister is Hawke's Grandmother. If her brother marries an elf and at least one of his children does the same, then it's possible for the brother to be the grandfather of an elven mage warden, who would then be related by blood to Hawke.



The only hitch in that situation is if one were relying on the Amell family's history of magic alone to explain the magical inclination of Hawke's sister, potentially Hawke, and the Warden all at once. Personally, though, I don't imagine it's too much of a stretch to think the reason a family of elves didn't mind their daughter marrying not only a human but also a human from a family known for magic is because they have magic in their family as well, making finding any match for her very difficult.

[Neesee]

Elf blood in the Amell side of things seems highly unlikely to me due to the whole nobility thing especially since you're talking marriage. A thing on the side? Yeah, maybe, but the resulting kid would probably never be acknowledged as an Amell.

You cannot found Bethany and Mage!Hawke's magical ability on the Amells alone. Hawke's dad is magical (apostate mage who trained Bethany and Mage!Hawke). Hell, I think the Hawke bloodline is ridiculous magical with the Staff of Parthalan and whatnot. However, a case could be made for one of EM Warden's ancestors (Surana or mother's side) having shacked up with someone that influenced the Hawke bloodline.

On the elven parents not minding a union between their daughter and a human, it all probably depends on how they'd react to having magic in the family. I doubt many people in Ferelden are actively/publicly proud of having mage relatives with the Chantry hate on mages. That and the fact that they'll take away your kids if they're mages. Aversion to marrying people who could produce mages seems likely. Who the hell wants the chance of their kids being taking away being higher?

Note: I've realized there's really no point in arguing the probability EM Warden is related to Hawke (since it won't happen) but I had to. I also feel like I make no sense at times but oh well.

Modifié par Neesee, 13 octobre 2010 - 03:11 .

[NKKKK]

While the people of Fereldan are very Andrastic, they're not THAT intolerant of mages.

Examples

1. Wilhelm was released from mage life after serving Eamon in the war. His descendants are apostates too apparently and this seems to be common knowledge of honnoleth.

2. The Mage Warden can become someone with a high position of power in Fereldan. Chancellor and Arl/Commander.

3. You can make things better for the mages even ask for their independence, who are the people of Fereldan to question you? You're the mother****ing blight queller.



Fereldan will seem pretty liberal in terms of Mage freedom in comparison to Kirkwall.



It's time for Hawke to change that then.