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[Nerevar-as]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

But are there also plot oportunities that only open up if you play  a mage?

No, we hate mages. In fact, nobody will give you quests for the entire game if you're a mage. You just watch a cinematic of Hawke crying in a corner, excluded by the cruel, cruel world.

Yes, of course there are. We wouldn't include one without the other.

Thought so. But that´s a (side)quest trade, I meant something big plot wise.

[LobselVith8]

I'd hope that the actions of a Mage Hawke count more than the actions of a Mage Warden did in DA:O, since we were told the Magi boon doesn't mean anything since the Chantry said no to it.

[Nerevar-as]

To clarify. So far mage Hawke feels HN Origin in plot importance. Would like non-mages to have something similar.

[Annihilator27]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

But are there also plot oportunities that only open up if you play  a mage?

No, we hate mages. In fact, nobody will give you quests for the entire game if you're a mage. You just watch a cinematic of Hawke crying in a corner, excluded by the cruel, cruel world.

Yes, of course there are. We wouldn't include one without the other.

Is that why he turned to blood magic?

[errant_knight]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Your sister is a mage, remember. Your family is always going to be concerned with the Templar/Chantry conflict. And there are plot opportunities that only open up if you don't play a mage.

Good to know! The part I'm interested to see is how you might accomodate player that might want to play some of the less obvious roleplaying choices for Hawke, say, a religious pro-Chantry Hawke.

Modifié par errant_knight, 05 octobre 2010 - 11:53 .

[Riona45]

Nerevar-as wrote...

So far mage Hawke feels HN Origin in plot importance.

I think the "importance" of the HN origin in DA:O--in relation to the other origins--is way overstated, and is usually advocated by people who are (surprise!) fans of that origin.

Modifié par Riona45, 05 octobre 2010 - 11:56 .

[Riona45]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I'd hope that the actions of a Mage Hawke count more than the actions of a Mage Warden did in DA:O, since we were told the Magi boon doesn't mean anything since the Chantry said no to it.

Can we not repeat this canard, please?  David Gaider says the mage boon *does* have an affect.

[Nerevar-as]

Riona45 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

So far mage Hawke feels HN Origin in plot importance.

I think the "importance" of the HN origin in DA:O is way overstated, and is usually advocated by people who are (surprise!) fans of that origin.

It´s the one with the most ties to the main plot, and with more consequences to it. The others are only relevant in the recruitment quests, a DLC, or a subquest of the main plot near the end. My favorite origins are both HNM and FCE, so you may have a point.

[errant_knight]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

So far mage Hawke feels HN Origin in plot importance.

I think the "importance" of the HN origin in DA:O is way overstated, and is usually advocated by people who are (surprise!) fans of that origin.

It´s the one with the most ties to the main plot, and with more consequences to it. The others are only relevant in the recruitment quests, a DLC, or a subquest of the main plot near the end. My favorite origins are both HNM and FCE, so you may have a point.

It could also be a chicken-egg thing.

[Bullets McDeath]

Well it depends on what you consider to be important; the HN Origin is not WAY WAY more important or tied into the story than the rest of the origins, but the personal connection to Howe gives the Landsmeet more *oomph* for sure, and the Royal Consort option is sort of a big deal. It also makes things more personal with Nathaniel in Awakening.



It's not necessarily more important, perhaps more integrated is a better word.

[Dhiro]

I usually play at least one time with each class in most of the games I play. So, no. But I can see why you feel this way.

[Riona45]

Nerevar-as wrote...
It´s the one with the most ties to the main plot, and with more consequences to it. The others are only relevant in the recruitment quests, a DLC, or a subquest of the main plot near the end.

I don't want to debate this here, but I'll just say I disagree and I think your statements are more opinion than fact.

Modifié par Riona45, 06 octobre 2010 - 12:06 .

[Nerevar-as]

outlaworacle wrote...

Well it depends on what you consider to be important; the HN Origin is not WAY WAY more important or tied into the story than the rest of the origins, but the personal connection to Howe gives the Landsmeet more *oomph* for sure, and the Royal Consort option is sort of a big deal. It also makes things more personal with Nathaniel in Awakening.

It's not necessarily more important, perhaps more integrated is a better word.

Good point. That defines it much better.

[JamieCOTC]

The OP pointed out a few things I was unaware of, so yeah, it does seem like DA2 is nudging the player to be a mage at least to some degree. It doesn't bother me as I always play a mage first, though I love the rogue class almost as much. I rarely play as a warrior.

Although I understand the OP's concern, there are effectively only three playthroughs in the game. You just need to decide if you want to play a mage first, second or third.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 06 octobre 2010 - 12:10 .

[DMC12]

Which origin was more important is irrelevant, as they are all overshadowed (and thus less important) by the mighty Hawke.

[Blastback]

Personally, I never got that feeling. Remeber, the warden that we saw in the trailers, both gameplay and cinematic, was a warrior. But I never once felt like he was supposed to be the defalt character. Now they are just featuring a diffrent class.

[HopHazzard]

No more than I felt pushed to play a warrior by the marketing of Origins. Which is to say, not at all. My first character in DA:O was a mage, because I like playing mages. My first character in DA2 will probably be a mage, because I like playing mages. Though now that you mention it, I've been pretty seriously about rogue for my first run and that's mostly because of Bethany. I don't really know how to explain it. I like the idea of Bethany being a kick ass mage who can chuck fireballs at her enemies while I'm standing here with my knives, but still feeling like I have to look out for my little sister. Kind of turns the traditional big brother/little sister dynamic on its ear. Though I'm also intrigued by the idea of the magical Hawke siblings. Ah well. Still a few months to decide.

[True Zarken]

Or you could just play all three? Just putting the idea out there. I do however intend to import my Human Mage Warden first just for ****s and giggles and get a feel for the game with Mage Hawke.



It's what I did with Mass Effect 2. Import Vanguard Shepard first just to get a feel for the over all game.

Modifié par True Zarken, 06 octobre 2010 - 12:26 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Just to make the conspiracy come true I'm going to play a Mage for the first time which would be the first out of any game I have ever played



Unless you count Heretic.

[Lindsaka]

I just figured the marketing was attempting to demonstrate a variety of fighting techniques/options in the game, since there aren't party members present (a la Morrigan, Leliana, and Sten from the DAO CG preview) to demonstrate them. That being said, that blood magic bit at the end...makes me hope that blood magic is not so black-and-white in DA2. That is to say, that perhaps not all blood magic is teh absoloot ebil and using it doesn't always require killing kittens and losing party members. But that's just me. Always wanting to have my diabolical cake and eat it too.

[Koffeegirl]

Riona45 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

So far mage Hawke feels HN Origin in plot importance.

I think the "importance" of the HN origin in DA:O--in relation to the other origins--is way overstated, and is usually advocated by people who are (surprise!) fans of that origin.

I totally agree. I thought all the origins were equally important.

[tishyw]

Not really, in fact I feel pushed in the opposite direction because there's already a mage at the start (Bethany).

Not that that will stop me, Mage is my favourite class, and I'll be playing as one first time through even if that means that I'll have a mage only party to start with.

[Riona45]

Lindsaka wrote...
 That being said, that blood magic bit at the end...makes me hope that blood magic is not so black-and-white in DA2. That is to say, that perhaps not all blood magic is teh absoloot ebil and using it doesn't always require killing kittens and losing party members. But that's just me. Always wanting to have my diabolical cake and eat it too.

To be honest I didn't think blood magic was all that black-and-white (in terms of morality) even in DA:O.  As appropriate for the setting, the typical person within the setting thinks it's evil, but you--and by extension, your character--can decide for yourself how you think about it.

Modifié par Riona45, 06 octobre 2010 - 01:01 .

[RyuAzai]

To be honest at first I wished I could have received a weapon for a warrior. Or maybe it was random and some people got staff, some swords, etc.



But then the staff is just cool regardless. And I can give it to Bethany or any mage in my party that I like, if I play non-mage.

[Riona45]

tishyw wrote...

Not really, in fact I feel pushed in the opposite direction because there's already a mage at the start (Bethany).
Not that that will stop me, Mage is my favourite class, and I'll be playing as one first time through even if that means that I'll have a mage only party to start with.

Besides, the part where it's just you and Bethany is only supposed to be one brief (but exaggerated) part at the beginning of the game.