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[silentassassin264]

thegreateski wrote...

I've got a good question.

The Human Mage Warden has a last name of Amell right? Amell is the last name of Hawke's mother. The Amells are a noble family from Kirkwall, which resides in the Free Marches.

My question is this. How in the world did a noble child from the Free Marches end up in a Ferelden Circle tower?

Probably however Nathaniel ended up in the Free Marches.  

[Dave of Canada]

Saint Joel wrote...

Where does Gaider comfirm, cannon hawke is Blood Mage, he could just have power from his blood line over the fade.

Canon Hawke isn't a blood mage. Advertised Hawke is and it was said a dozen times at PAX. There is no canon.

[LobselVith8]

Lumikki wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Lumikki wrote...
Yes, but it does put me in position as be with outlaw kind of back ground. I don't like it. It's like playing thief or killer. In DAO you could choose you back ground, expect mage, but you where never side of outlaw.

Umm...no matter what the origin, the Warden was pretty much an outlaw for, oh, THE ENTIRE GAME.  That bit about the Wardens being blamed for Cailan's death and Loghain hunting you down?  

That aside, maybe not for the mage origin, but you can be pretty anti-establishment in the Dalish or City Elf origins.  As a City Elf, you can kill a bann's son.  As a Dalish Elf, you can kill innocent humans, get in trouble for it, and be generally pretty racist and prickly.

Doing anything inside game is fine as longer player did deside the action by them self, as choise to make. We are talking here pre-defined moral roles, before you even start playing your character, after character creation. Warden mage was never criminal in DAO. You can't make someone to criminal, if the accusations is not true. You can even make you self criminal by actions you make. Also if for player is given other starting options for character creation for you class, then you as player have choise too. If King of country declare you to be criminal, it's only true if you did what King sayed, but if it's based lie, you aren't criminal, but hunted as criminal. Been Apostate you know what the law says but YOU decided to become outlaw. If in DA2 you don't have that choise, you starts as criminal (apostate) without any choise in matter. Meaning developers made your characters moral choise behave you, when playing mage in DA2. You can maybe change your choise by actions and choises, if story lets, but you back ground choise is pre-define. What can conflict the way player likes to play as moral code.

Sable has a point: the Regent declares the Grey Wardens traitors, and the Warden is considered a criminal in the eyes of the law. It may not have been true, but regardless, the Warden was technically a criminal. It's only at the Landsmeet that the Warden can be vindicated of the crimes that Loghain has charged them with. Whether the Warden is pragmatic - abandoning Redcliffe to its fate, saving the Anvil - or chooses a more heroic path is entirely up to the player. It's been stated previously that certain paths will be available to a Mage Hawke, and other paths will be available to a Warrior or Rogue Hawke. I doubt TPTB are going to limit our choices as Hawke - we had the range of being heroic or pragmatic as the Warden, after all.

Lumikki wrote...

Apostate mage puts players character in postion what does define the morality. How player continue from that is different case, because it's based players choises and what story allow. How ever, apostate position doesn't really give much choises anymore, it's too pre-define role to play. I don't like to play non lawfull roles. Can you example say how does DA2 allow me to become non apostate mage in DA2?

If you view all apostates as evil because they don't bend to the will of the Chantry, then I can see why you have such an issue with the notion of an apostate Hawke. However, that doesn't mean Hawke doesn't have his or her own POV, since we'll be defining that. I'm certain that DA2 is going to be flshed out beyond the relationships between the Chantry and the mages.

Lumikki wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Only thing is that the Chantry probably doesn't like to see a mage 'rise to power'.

Nor do I as mage want to see mage 'rise to power' nor I have any needs to fight agaist mages or chantry.

From what I can tell about the tidbits of information we've got about DA2, an important part of Hawke is that this is an individual who rises to power in Kirkwall. Templars likely wield a great deal of power and wield that authority over the mages who live there. If it does come down to a choice, it's no different than the Warden stopping the Blight, as Sable said.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 07 octobre 2010 - 12:52 .

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

None of the reasons mentioned "push" the average gamer to play as a mage in DA 2 from my perspective. The Bioware snipers outside your windows or the ninjas putting poison in your morning tea or bagel might convince you to play a mage however.

[jhawke]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

None of the reasons mentioned "push" the average gamer to play as a mage in DA 2 from my perspective. The Bioware snipers outside your windows or the ninjas putting poison in your morning tea or bagel might convince you to play a mage however.

hmmm.........peers through windows..........check tea and bagels................lol.

and maybe "pushed" wasn't the right word.

I guess my point in starting the thread was to see if one class ( mage ) is going to be given special treatment in terms of the story.  Or, if all the classes would be given "equal opportunity."

I did like Mary's response in that playing as a warrior or rogue Hawke will present you with opportunites not available if you were a mage.

So, hopefully that means that, while the classes all share the same origin, there's enough difference storywise to warrant multiple playthroughs as different classes ( and hopefully as different gender, too ).

[Sable Rhapsody]

Lumikki wrote...

Nor do I as mage want to see mage 'rise to power' nor I have any needs to fight agaist mages or chantry.

Here's a solution, then.  Don't play as a mage.  Simple enough.

There has never been, and most likely will never be, a BioWare RPG in which your character is a blank slate.  Ever.  Every BioWare protagonist has had strong predefined qualities.  The BG protagonist was a Bhaalspawn.  The KOTOR protagonist was Revan.  Your precious DA:O character is a Warden.  Shepard is an N7 Lieutenant Commander and a Spectre.  Hawke in DA2 belongs to a family of apostates.  You've just gotta work with it.

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

None of the reasons mentioned "push" the average gamer to play as a mage in DA 2 from my perspective. The Bioware snipers outside your windows or the ninjas putting poison in your morning tea or bagel might convince you to play a mage however.

No, no, you're mistaken.  It's Disney that employ ninjas and snipers.  BioWare will just wait for the day when the Great Apocalyptic Curling devours us all 

[Amagoi]

It's worth pointing out because of the term 'canon Hawke' being a mage or not. It's been said several times, there is not a canon Hawke. Or a canon Warden, or a canon DA:O ending or events. Really there isn't even an entirely canon history of the Dragon Age.

Canon Hawke isn't a blood mage, because canon Hawke does not exist. Thus canon blood mage Hawke must disappear in a poof of logic!

[AndrahilAdrian]

I'm somewhat worried that Bioware will go to one extreme or another. Either Your apostate mage can practice his Qunari rippin skillz right in front of a templar and he won't care, or your warrior will be pigeonholed into a mage-oriented storyline. Bioware should treat all classes equally.

[M8DMAN]

I wish bioware would go ahead and let us play as a battlemage from the very beginning. That was the only reason I could'nt get into the mage class in DA:O.

I Wasn't a fan of spending so much time as a squishy mage.

Modifié par M8DMAN, 07 octobre 2010 - 09:37 .

[Kail Ashton]

No.

[jhawke]

M8DMAN wrote...

I wish bioware would go ahead and let us play as a battlemage from the very beginning. That was the only reason I could'nt get into the mage class in DA:O.

I did'nt like spending so much time as a squishy mage.

that's a good point.

actually, since Bioware seems to be going the "ME" route with DA2, one thing that I was hoping you could do would be to choose from 6 classes at the start, 3 regular and 3 hybrid, just like ME.

So, just like you could choose Vanguard ( Soldier + Biotic hybrid ) in ME, you could choose Arcane Warrior or Battle Mage in DA2 ( Warrior + Mage ).  And that would add more to your backstory from the beginning. 

For example, it could say that while you trained with your sister in the mage arts under the guidance of your father, you also trained yourself in the arts of the warrior, honing your martial prowess with the blade.

Thus, you could distinguish yourself right off the bat as a unique hybrid class of warrior and mage.

but, alas, it seems that is not the direction they are taking.

so........here's hoping that specs will solve that to a certain extent........

[Dr. wonderful]

Rogue hawke THEN a mage hawke.

[Sable Rhapsody]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

I'm somewhat worried that Bioware will go to one extreme or another. Either Your apostate mage can practice his Qunari rippin skillz right in front of a templar and he won't care, or your warrior will be pigeonholed into a mage-oriented storyline. Bioware should treat all classes equally.

I doubt the former will be true.  The only reason you don't get in more trouble with templars in DA:O is because you're one of the last two Wardens, and starting s*** with you pretty much means they shoot themselves in the foot as far as the Blight is concerned.

If Hawke is not a mage, one of two things will likely happen.  Either all PCs have some inherent magical abilities (just not specialized and trained if not a mage), or the mage elements of the storyline get played out with Bethany instead of Hawke.  

[_-Greywolf-_]

You know I think OP has a valid point, while it may not be Bioware's intention to force the player into the role of a mage I definately feel that the game with the information we currently have is meant to be played as a mage.



Does anyone know if the Staff of Parlathan will be usable by non mages?

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

If Hawke is not a mage, one of two things will likely happen. Either all PCs have some inherent magical abilities (just not specialized and trained if not a mage), or the mage elements of the storyline get played out with Bethany instead of Hawke.

I am going to guess as I have predicted from the start that no matter what class you choose Hawke will have always had the potential to become a mage and will be treated as such by most of the people he meets.

[Anarya]

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

Does anyone know if the Staff of Parlathan will be usable by non mages?

From what I understand of the combat changes, no.

[HighMoon]

Not particularly. The reason I am playing a mage is because I like the idea of mage sisters, the dynamics should be interesting. But I have other reasons to play a warrior and rogue as well.

[Leonia]

I don't feel any more pressure to play a mage in DA 2 than I felt to play as a Human Noble in Origins.

It's way too early for us to guess what the storyline will be like and I think it is pretty safe to assume that the story will be interesting regardless of our class selection (And can you imagine the screaming that would have happened if they had said "Ok, you only get to be a human mage named Hawke. But at least you get to choose your gender and hairstyle still!")

Chillax people, all three classes will be viable and the devs have already said as much. So we've got a fancy staff for the mage-types so far, so what? Who is to say there won't be more fancy promotional items in the future? There's still five months to go.

Modifié par leonia42, 07 octobre 2010 - 08:13 .

[Ortaya Alevli]

[packardbell]

I'm going to be a warrior regardless.

[Lumikki]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Apostate mage puts players character in postion what does define the morality. How player continue from that is different case, because it's based players choises and what story allow. How ever, apostate position doesn't really give much choises anymore, it's too pre-define role to play. I don't like to play non lawfull roles. Can you example say how does DA2 allow me to become non apostate mage in DA2?

If you view all apostates as evil because they don't bend to the will of the Chantry, then I can see why you have such an issue with the notion of an apostate Hawke. However, that doesn't mean Hawke doesn't have his or her own POV, since we'll be defining that. I'm certain that DA2 is going to be flshed out beyond the relationships between the Chantry and the mages.

I never sayed that apostate mage would be evil, I sayed outlaw as someone who doens't follow common laws of some country. It's moral choise, do you follow common laws or not. Meaning do you think the laws are there for good reason to protect all citizens or those who are in power abuse they power for they own benefits. It's a choise, but does DA2 game let mage character do that choise.

PS: There is major difference between stories. One is common threat agaist everyone and other is battle who has the power to rule. Meaning one kills everyone as replace the civilization, while other is just battle who rules everyone. One is political and other is extermination.

Modifié par Lumikki, 07 octobre 2010 - 05:44 .

[Amioran]

Lumikki wrote...

Doing anything inside game is fine as longer player did deside the action by them self, as choise to make. We are talking here pre-defined moral roles, before you even start playing your character, after character creation.

That's how a pre-set character works. S/he has a background and a setting and it is already a "person" in itself, differently from a character created by yourself where you define those.  Knowing this particular difference you should adapt, I don't think you challenge the protagonist of every film you watch just because it doesn't "appeal" to your style.
 
In a book/film the worser thing you can do is starting "judging" the background of the protagonist (or worser still him/herself), since you just miss from beginning all the point of the book/film itself. Same here.

Modifié par Amioran, 07 octobre 2010 - 06:28 .

[Amioran]

Acharnae wrote...
That's true. I played human noble warrior origin once and I could immidieatly see everything. Ferelden, the need to protect it, the grey wardens...
Play as a mage and you have no ties to whatever and all the game seems secondary to what really matters for your character.

This is typical of life too, you know... Some people are in the particular setting of an event, some others outside of it, this doesn't mean that those that are "outside" will be less connected to it.

In a defined story there will always be a "circle" of people more involved with the particulars of the same, while others will be on the borders or outside. It is impossible to have a defined story with some interest with the lack of definition, as it is impossible to have definition lacking the same.

Modifié par Amioran, 07 octobre 2010 - 06:22 .

[uuuhcantthinkofaname]

Whats this canon you speak of?

[Raze48]

It seems like my play style will fit perfectly with DA2, seeming as my very first time playing DAO I chose to make a Mage and advance him to a AW/BM combo that used a 2H for 1/2 the game. lol



Zomg Bioware stole my character and made him DA2's PC!!! *gasp*