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[Moiaussi]

Having lost the normandy to Jack in a late night poker game, Shepard is forced to cover his expenses with a guest spot on Extreme Makeover: Spectre edition

[Spectre_907]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Spectre_907 wrote...

But since we have control of the SB's information network, what's to stop us from simply blaming Vasir's death on some other entity or factor and supressing any information regarding Shepard's fight with Vasir?

Are you kidding? What about numerous eye witnesses? The Nos Astra Police, patrons at the Azure? Seems clear to me. Vasir trusted you as fellow Spectre (formerly), and you turned on her! Just like Saren on Nihlus!!!

Trusted? How? Vasir tried to kill Liara and attacked Shepard and company when confronted about it. She also attacked again (first) after holding a civilian hostage. If anything, Shepard trusted Vasir.

At most, the patrons will just claim that Shepard was trying to save the hostage. That's all they really saw if there were any at all. Most probably left the hotel after hearing that there was a hostage taken or were in hiding after Vasir went on a shooting rampage after crashing anyway. The police can be taken care of by revealing the truth and through bribery or some other means to keep them quiet or by confiscating any evidence they would recover at the scene. It was mentioned that agents were still at Nos Astra. It could be done.

Or we could do what Saibh suggested.

Modifié par Spectre_907, 07 octobre 2010 - 02:48 .

[M8DMAN]

No offense to Zulu but that's not how I want ME3 to be.

Modifié par M8DMAN, 07 octobre 2010 - 02:41 .

[vkt62]

ashley/kaiden contacts liara and asks to join in and gets updated on what has been happening in a customization screen. Soon after that, shepard picks her/him up in the normandy 2. Hope they can get a bigger ship for ME 3 but EDI moved into it.

[brfritos]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

I hate the trial idea. Especially if Shepard was reinstated as a Spectre. The Alliance would be really stupid to ****** off the Council like that.

Haven't you killed Tela Vasir, a Spectre on duty? Can you prove it weren't your goons that blew up the Baria Frontiers office she was investigating? Or, wait, they ARE your goons now!

But wait, Tela Vasir wasn't on official duty for the Council, she was doing a job for the Shadow Broker.
And if I saved the Council and accepted Spectre Status she greet me like one, so in the form of law Shepard is not committing a crime.

Your idea is not bad, actually I liked a lot the part where you have to convince Kaidan/Ashley or kill them (convince do not generate NONE morality points, killing them is like you said,  +50 renegade), but AGAIN we will be outlaws?
The general idea of Shepard's actions having real meaning are really good, hope Bioware finally gave us this.

Modifié par brfritos, 07 octobre 2010 - 05:10 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

I gamble that ME3 starts with a dozen reapers attacking Earth at the time the Council decides whether to arrest Shepard or not. Anderson convinces them to use Shepard one more time. Considering Shepard's alleged experience with these so called reapers, the Council decides that they can always convict her afterward. Better be safe than sorry. So there goes Shepard on her final mission using the SR2 and the SB's support. Shepard didn't die, so no customization required. BW will make it optional anyway.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 07 octobre 2010 - 12:48 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Spectre_907 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Spectre_907 wrote...

But since we have control of the SB's information network, what's to stop us from simply blaming Vasir's death on some other entity or factor and supressing any information regarding Shepard's fight with Vasir?

Are you kidding? What about numerous eye witnesses? The Nos Astra Police, patrons at the Azure? Seems clear to me. Vasir trusted you as fellow Spectre (formerly), and you turned on her! Just like Saren on Nihlus!!!

Trusted? How? Vasir tried to kill Liara and attacked Shepard and company when confronted about it. She also attacked again (first) after holding a civilian hostage. If anything, Shepard trusted Vasir.

brfritos wrote...

But wait, Tela Vasir wasn't on official duty for the Council, she was doing a job for the Shadow Broker.
And if I saved the Council and accepted Spectre Status she greet me like one, so in the form of law Shepard is not committing a crime.

Guys, have you ever heard of a phenomenon called "judicial error"? It's when a person not guilty of the crime in question gets convicted. For whatever reason. Crooked cops, bribed judge, incompetent jury, unfortunate circumstantial evidence.

In our case, the ultimate reason, of course, will be the necessity to bust Shepard down to level one, strip him of all skills, squadmates, weapons, give a tutorial level and possibly a pretext fo character customization, as the topic suggests. In-universe it will be the politics of Mass Effect. TSB's intel says, that the Council was considering Shepard's suspension immediately after the Battle of Citadel, even before all these Cerberus stories.

An Asari company Baria Frontiers is blown up. Shepard, known for his Cerberus connection is on the site. Cerberus are pro-Human terrorists. Council Spectre Tela Vasir is killed.

All right, let's take a look at Shepard's criminal count in its entirety:

• Destroying the Thorian.
  
• Killing/releasing the Rachni queen.
  
• Detonating nuclear devices on Virmire and Pragia.
  
• Hi-jacking the Normandy SR-1.
  
• Failing to report back to the Citadel after surviving an unknown assailant's attack on the Normandy SR-1.
  
• Continuing to feign own death, while associating self with Cerberus, a terrorist group and an avowed enemy of the Council and the System Alliance.
  
• Having an illegal AI system aboard a private space vehicle, creating a sentient space vehicle with military grade equipment and with firepower of a heavy cruiser (at least).
  
• Sheltering convicted and wanted criminals aboard the ship.
  
• Unauthorized relations of unclear nature with reclusive and quarantined races, including the Geth.
  
• Murder (including that of a Council spectre).
  
• Terrorism.
  
• Unlawful detention.
  
• Torture.
  
• Burglary.
  
• Abusive language and conduct.
  
• Smuggling.
  
• Tax evasion.

Now, even if your particular Shepard has missed the opportunuty to commit every and all of that, and although most of that stuff was done in the Terminus Systems, that are lawless by definition (but some of it, including the gravest last count is very well ubiquitous), it still makes sense to put an end to your activities, if only in order to prevent drawing public ire to the Spectres and Council policies. But actually it more looks like you've been long preparing to go by Saren's steps and stage a massive coup to overthrogh the Council and crown yourself Emperor or something (which must be even more of a concern to the Old Council with Paragon Shepard's choices).

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 07 octobre 2010 - 03:09 .

[JRCHOharry]

Who did Shepard torture?

[Zulu_DFA]

JRCHOharry wrote...

Who did Shepard torture?

Harkin?

Well it was Garrus actually, but Shepard was right there standing and looking.

[Dean_the_Young]

The guy on Thane's loyalty as well, unless you avoided the oh-so-tempting Renegade interrupts or intimidate option.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 07 octobre 2010 - 02:54 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

JRCHOharry wrote...

Who did Shepard torture?

Harkin?

Well it was Garrus actually, but Shepard was right there standing and looking.

I was looking and eating popcorn.

I stop him from shooting his leg, but no Harkin really dosent inspire sympathy from me.

[JRCHOharry]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

JRCHOharry wrote...

Who did Shepard torture?

Harkin?

Well it was Garrus actually, but Shepard was right there standing and looking.

OK. It seems that Shepard should be charged on two counts of torture then, remember poor Elias Kelham?

[Giggles_Manically]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The guy on Thane's loyalty as well, unless you avoided the oh-so-tempting Renegade interrupts.

I love playing a Renegade just for that alone.

Thane: That may go down in history as the shortest interrogation ever."

[Dean_the_Young]

Hey, Zulu, there's also nuking a garden world, if you did Jack's loyalty mission.



And trying to cure the genophage, if you kept Maleon's research: that might not be a legal crime, but it's something the Council is willing to use nukes over.

[Zulu_DFA]

JRCHOharry wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

JRCHOharry wrote...

Who did Shepard torture?

Harkin?

Well it was Garrus actually, but Shepard was right there standing and looking.

OK. It seems that Shepard should be charged on two counts of torture then, remember poor Elias Kelham?

That's only unlawful detention in my case. Plus imposturing a spectre. But I did strangle Mouse a bit when he asked too much money for his info.

[Sheepie Crusher]

Plastic Surgery

[Zulu_DFA]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Hey, Zulu, there's also nuking a garden world, if you did Jack's loyalty mission.

Added.

And trying to cure the genophage, if you kept Maleon's research: that might not be a legal crime, but it's something the Council is willing to use nukes over.

That's covered by "relationships of unclear nature with quarantined race".

[Dean_the_Young]

I thought that was the Shadow Broker. Hm...

How about letting willing collaborators with Saren go away scot free?

And there's always violating your promise/instruction to keep to the Terminus systems.

Ooh, and killing animals for sport. That poor thresher maw...



I like how one person put it awhile ago: Only a Paragon Shepard could accept cybernetics from an untrustworthy source and then begin forging an army of Krogan (with possible genophage cure), Geth, Rachni, and strike an alliance with a lone but influential Asari, all commanded on a technologically advanced ship with an unbound AI... and not see any cause for concern.

Renegades, of course, can be tried for completely different reasons.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 07 octobre 2010 - 03:14 .

[brfritos]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

brfritos wrote...

But wait, Tela Vasir wasn't on official duty for the Council, she was doing a job for the Shadow Broker.
And if I saved the Council and accepted Spectre Status she greet me like one, so in the form of law Shepard is not committing a crime.

Guys, have you ever heard of a phenomenon called "judicial error"? It's when a person not guilty of the crime in question gets convicted. For whatever reason. Crooked cops, bribed judge, incompetent jury, unfortunate circumstantial evidence.

In our case, the ultimate reason, of course, will be the necessity to bust Shepard down to level one, strip him of all skills, squadmates, weapons, give a tutorial level and possibly a pretext fo character customization, as the topic suggests. In-universe it will be the politics of Mass Effect. TSB's intel says, that the Council was considering Shepard's suspension immediately after the Battle of Citadel, even before all these Cerberus stories.

Allright, Shepard is used by the Council as a escape goat, I can accept that.

But Shepard is regarded as a hero by humans, so this should reflect in a manner that humanity was divided about his trial, also starting a crisis between humanity and the Council.
Even if the Alliance was stupid and swallow the whole thing, this probable could lead to humanity being against the Alliance.

[Zulu_DFA]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Ooh, and killing animals for sport. That poor thresher maw...

The pyjaks, man, remember the pyjaks! Particularly that cute one in Dr. His Highness in the Matters Scientific lab!

[Sorwis]

Shepard goes to investigate the possible remains of the Collector base but gets sucked into the galactic core's supermassive black hole. After that the Blood Pack recovers the remains of Shepards body from the particles in the Hawking radiation. This takes a couple of years.

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shepard's trial.

Seriously though this actually sounds pretty good.

[Zulu_DFA]

brfritos wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

brfritos wrote...

But wait, Tela Vasir wasn't on official duty for the Council, she was doing a job for the Shadow Broker.
And if I saved the Council and accepted Spectre Status she greet me like one, so in the form of law Shepard is not committing a crime.

Guys, have you ever heard of a phenomenon called "judicial error"? It's when a person not guilty of the crime in question gets convicted. For whatever reason. Crooked cops, bribed judge, incompetent jury, unfortunate circumstantial evidence.

In our case, the ultimate reason, of course, will be the necessity to bust Shepard down to level one, strip him of all skills, squadmates, weapons, give a tutorial level and possibly a pretext fo character customization, as the topic suggests. In-universe it will be the politics of Mass Effect. TSB's intel says, that the Council was considering Shepard's suspension immediately after the Battle of Citadel, even before all these Cerberus stories.

Allright, Shepard is used by the Council as a escape goat, I can accept that.

But Shepard is regarded as a hero by humans, so this should reflect in a manner that humanity was divided about his trial, also starting a crisis between humanity and the Council.
Even if the Alliance was stupid and swallow the whole thing, this probable could lead to humanity being against the Alliance.

Bear in mind that Humanity in general is a lot more acceptive of Cerberus and Terra Firma ideals than you average Paragon Shepard. Just listen to what Mr. "I Wash My Hands " Gardner has to say. Also some Humans are extremely distrustful of the Alliance already... and Shepard ("a big Alliance hero or something..."). Finally, if the Council/Alliance know how to use the media, Shepard will go from Hero to Villain in no time.

[anmiro]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

How about (briefly) breaking the 4th wall and having a character creation screen, with no explanation? I'd rather have that than another poorly-explained resurrection.

Agreed. No pretext necessary. Also, I've only ever played ME2 on the Xbox and I don't know if its the same for PC gamers, but I hate the fact that every time I want to play with the character creation screen, I have to sit through the games unskippable introduction. 

[Saibh]

This doesn't really make a whole lot of sense--your Shepard can be a Spectre, and by Spectre rules, you have done anything that warrants calling you rogue. Think of the things we know Saren did and got away with--it took destroying a human colony and stealing an important artifact to render him rogue. You have done nothing so bad. Everything listed in the first game is forgiven--you didn't do anything illegal, only what the Council ordered. If you are to be put on trial, it will have to be public and they will have to reveal your charges. The Council already decided you were doing those things according to Spectre policy so besides not wanting to reveal some of those things, they also forgave you in the public eye.

As for afterward, you're still a Council Spectre and they give you clearance to work with Cerberus in the Terminus Systems. The Council will see that the Collector attacks stop after you enter the Omega 4 relay. It's clear you were doing your job. The only thing I see as really damning is the AI--but the Council has no way of knowing about that.

Modifié par Saibh, 07 octobre 2010 - 04:01 .

[cachx]

anmiro wrote...
No pretext necessary.

This... they can reset the skills, level and weapons /armor too (tho it would be cool if they carry over) and I wouldn't bat an eyelash. It's a pure gameplay/user customization thing, it doesn't need a story justification.