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[scarface71795]

Why does everyone hate Cerberus

they kick ass

after all the bull we put up with the alliance i am glad we have a group who sees the bigger picture

[Fiery Phoenix]

Killing Wrex on my very first playthrough of ME1 (which I will probably never import) . Also handing the Cerberus files to that one Shadow Broker agent, even though it's not one of the tracked decisions. I still think it was a stupid move on my part.

[daninator]

killing wrex but it had to be done because it was a renagade playthrough

[Dean_the_Young]

Using the Paragon/Renegade persuasion at the loyalty crisis scenes.



Not only is it such a cop out, but going to the dismissed person later and winning back their loyalty is so much more... reasonable than simply Paragon brow-beating avowed enemies into getting along.

[Xilizhra]

So... it's more reasonable to take sides among crew members and sweet-talk the other one later, than to fix the debate right then and there?

[Dean_the_Young]

Yes, given that 'fixing' the debate right then and there is pretty much absurd. With Geth and Tali, you have hundreds of years of mutual distrust and animosity done away with in a 'let's all hold hands' speech, and with Jack and Miranda you don't even do that to make them come to terms. It would be like saying the entire Middle East conflict could all be resolved today if only there was someone with a high enough Paragon score. Some things are not reconcilable by a twenty second sound bite.



Taking sides when forced to is the more realistic outcome, and being able to persuade the one you went against that it was just an act to placate the other is a more reasonable resolution.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I regret not getting reinstated as a Spectre in ME2 with one my characters, even though that hasn't really had an impact on anything. I just feel it is a poor choice to have made.

[Icinix]

 In Mass Effect 1 I have no regrets...
wait...
Apparently I wiped out the drugged scientists in the 'paragon' only mission, even though I saved and reloaded half a dozen times until I did it without losing any of them.  <_<

[achwas]

I regret.... not so much.
A choice I really disliked (but stuck to, on my main, infiltrator shep ) was having not letting Garrus shoot his erstwhile teammate. Even on pure Paragon, with "giving everyone the benefit of doubt and a second chance", letting Saronis go after his sucky cowardly treason because he "was in tears" seemed.... terrible, bleeding-heart and entirely unnatural.
I did it solely in order not to risk Renegade points, sorry to say. Sat very badly with me

Needless to say, on every other Shep since then, paragon or para-gade Sidonis is part of the Citadel's Waste Disposal System

Another thing I regretted : "chickening-out" on the paragon option for Zaeed's loyalty quest, because I had doubts my para-shep would be convincing enough in the final scene ( I was loyalty recruiting him even before Horizon ). And sticking to that choice, because Vido, obviously the greater evil, actually died that way at the cost of several dozen refinery workers.....

Oh, and not being to kick-in Ashely's teeth for her insolent, self-righteous and utterly half-assed dialogue on Horizon. Paragon or not, after all of ME-1, anyone who was constantly wrong back then, only survived because of my wiser/more educated judgements and does not even give me the chance to explain myself..... Frankly, she can only pray that she will not ever again serve on my team !


As for ME-1... lots of regrets^^. Saving the council. Not saving Kirrahee (I found out about that too late for most playthroughs ). Being unable to "accidentally" disintegrate Udina....
Oh and it would have been fun to have had Mordin around in part I ^^

Modifié par achwas, 07 octobre 2010 - 10:05 .

[LessThanKate]

Tony Gunslinger wrote...

I regret keeping Keiji's greybox for a lot of reasons. First, it's emotionally and psychologicaly better for Kasumi to deal with his death through mourning like the rest of us instead of fixating herself to a holographic projection. Secondly, it was Keiji's wish to protect Kasumi by destroying the greybox. If she wants to honor him, she should do as he wished. I kept the greybox because, oddly enough, it's a paragon choice, and I also can't help but being curious about the secret, perhaps it will be more than just a MaGuffin in the future. I really don't think it should have been a paragon choice, though.

This. I was somewhat put off by the set of choices. Kasumi saying "I think I want this" was not terribly comforting, seems...a bit pitiful, really, but I went with the Paragon choice. The other problem with that is the greybox apparently holds some Alliance secret, and as a Paragon, you generally are supposed to prefer them over Cerberus.

I realize this topic looses...steam considering you can just play as a new Shepard, but for the sake of sentimentality...I have a Renegade Shepard. I always saw him as a hardened man, someone who's always lived with violence, but not a total monster. That's why I struggled with Zaeed's mission. It was very hard for me to see that worker screaming...and, having done it already as a Paragon, knowing that guy who says "They'll save us, I know it!"...just knowing I let him down. Some good points for going after Video were brought in, and I was hoping for more reassurance from post-mission summaries and/or Zaeed himself that Vido was a bad man and killing him would ultimately save more lives. Like in Bring Down the Sky--it hurt to sacrifice Kate, but Balak was too extreme and needed to be stopped, no way a Colonist/Ruthless would stand for him getting away. 

Instead it came across more like petty revenge over nobility. It could even be argued that even with Vido dead, someone would just take his place as leader and be just as bad, or one of the other merc groups would reach the top.

Much as the Council pissed me off, I did feel guilty returning to the Citadel to find there was increasing violence against humans. Almost went back to ME1 to save them, but I wanted to experience every scenario. Still, as a Ruthless, you sacrifice your own people to get the job done, so in a way the Paragon choice could've made sense.

...And yet other times I regret not just going full Renegade. Should've just killed Rana. Definetely should've killed Helena. Should have told off those two asari who couldn't take the shuttles ("Enjoy your drinks, ladies."), instead of wussing out and helping them.

achwas wrote...

Oh, and not being to kick-in Ashely's
teeth for her insolent, self-righteous and utterly half-assed dialogue
on Horizon. Paragon or not, after all of ME-1, anyone who was constantly
wrong back then, only survived because of my wiser/more educated
judgements and does not even give me the chance to explain myself.....
Frankly, she can only pray that she will not ever again serve on my team
!

I regret not being able to say much more than "How u doin'?" to her. Maybe she wouldn't have gotten so worked up if Shepard acted like he/she gave two craps.

Modifié par LessThanKate, 09 octobre 2010 - 05:58 .

[Rip504]

The Krogan cure. I thought it smart to destroy it,but on the other hand maybe the Krogan can be saved...

[Kasen]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Giving Samesh his wife's body in ME. A news story in ME2 said it led to decreased enlistment in the Alliance.

As minor as this one is, i kick myself every time I hear that news story about it leading to decreased enlistment. I didn't even know until a couple months ago that you can go back and talk to Samesh, to tell him that they need her body for research. No clue why it never occured to me...

I do question the choice regarding the Geth Heretics. I have characters that rewrote them and destroyed them, yet neither choice really seems "right". I don't really regret either one, but I am fascinated to see the reprecussions of both in ME3.

Modifié par Kasen13, 09 octobre 2010 - 07:13 .

[Zan51]

Inadvertantly letting the crew die because I did a couple missions before rescuing them. I thought they were set deaths and was pleased to find out this was not so.

[achwas]

LessThanKate wrote...

achwas wrote...

Oh, and not being to kick-in Ashely's
teeth for her insolent, self-righteous and utterly half-assed dialogue
on Horizon. Paragon or not, after all of ME-1, anyone who was constantly
wrong back then, only survived because of my wiser/more educated
judgements and does not even give me the chance to explain myself.....
Frankly, she can only pray that she will not ever again serve on my team
!

I regret not being able to say much more than "How u doin'?" to her. Maybe she wouldn't have gotten so worked up if Shepard acted like he/she gave two craps.

I 'd have expected someone - who allegedly has trusted me through the thick and nasty of ME-1 - to give me two minutes to explain why I haven't called for two years, and why I am doing what I am doing at the moment. Since obviously I am still doing a better job of it than she (or Kaidan) did.... at least a "thanks for saving my paralyzed bacon from the Collectors by the way"... instead of exasperation and codescencion about me not working for the Alliance anymore.
I felt a bit regretful, even remorse always having gone for Liara in ME-1. After Horizon... not at all.

Another of these "fleeting regret" moments was seeing Nassana getting killed on Thane's mission, the first time round.  Sadness for a short moment - but then I recalled that she had just ordered  the Salarains workers eliminated in the same mission. She was interesting in ME-1... but rather despicable in ME-2.

Modifié par achwas, 09 octobre 2010 - 11:27 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Killing Balak.



I know it stops him for good, but seeing all those people blown up, really left me feeling like a horrible person. He had to be stopped but its a high price.



I do like the final lines though:

Balak: So who is the real terrorist here?

Shep: You are, but you're dead.

<BLAM?

[marshalleck]

Recruiting Liara on Therum way back when. Now I'll never be rid of her. She's like a nasty STD.

[sevalaricgirl]

I have no regrets except that Legion died. This time I'm not taking him. I'm taking Jack and Grunt because I like neither and if someone has to die, it should be them, lol. Grunt is no Wrex and Jack is a psycho.  I don't feel bad about letting the crew die, really, it wasn't my fault.  I wanted to make sure that the Normandy could get back home and the only one I had feelings for was the cook.  I didn't like Kelly especially when she asked me about Kaidan.  The member of the crew that counted was Joker and he lived.  I stand by my decision to wait. 

Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 10 octobre 2010 - 12:33 .

[belwin]

yes,

i didn't give that hanar on noveria his package once.


edit: oh, i also let the council die once.

....but i dismissed that claim...

Modifié par belwin, 10 octobre 2010 - 12:33 .

[DocterCrimson]

One Big regret I have had was not upgrading the ship's guns and watching Garrus die a horrible painful death...

[sevalaricgirl]

DocterCrimson wrote...

One Big regret I have had was not upgrading the ship's guns and watching Garrus die a horrible painful death...

See that's why I play it the way I do,  I upgrade everything that I can before I go after the Collectors.  The Cerberus crew knew the risks.  I care about my team except for Jack and Grunt.  Besides, Bioware doesn't let you get to know the crew anyway except for Kelly and she asked the wrong question about Kaidan, lol.  Not only that but logically you can't do missions after the suicide run because you haven't come back through the Omega 4 relay so that just made no sense to me.  I may play it through again and do the run right after the crew is taken but it just doesn't seem right to me. 

Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 10 octobre 2010 - 01:04 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Not a regret of choice but I do wish someone could've told the Council in ME1 to... you know... eject.



If not that, then proceed to the most well-fortified area of the ascension and wait out the storm while the fate of the galaxy is decided.

[lyssalu]

killing conrad in the first game kinda sucked

oh well

Modifié par lyssalu, 10 octobre 2010 - 01:32 .

[V-rex]

[quote]achwas wrote...

[quote]LessThanKate wrote...

[quote]achwas wrote...

Oh, and not being to kick-in Ashely's
teeth for her insolent, self-righteous and utterly half-assed dialogue
on Horizon. Paragon or not, after all of ME-1, anyone who was constantly
wrong back then, only survived because of my wiser/more educated
judgements and does not even give me the chance to explain myself.....
Frankly, she can only pray that she will not ever again serve on my team
!

[/quote]

I regret not being able to say much more than "How u doin'?" to her. Maybe she wouldn't have gotten so worked up if Shepard acted like he/she gave two craps.

[/quote]
[quote]I 'd have expected someone - who allegedly has trusted me through the thick and nasty of ME-1 - to give me two minutes to explain why I haven't called for two years, and why I am doing what I am doing at the moment.[/quote]

In turn, said person might also have expected you to have something better to say than 'how've you been' under said circumstances. Like, I dunno:
"Oh thank god you survived this Collector attack!"
Or:
"I'm sure you're wondering how I'm standing here right now and understand that this must come as a shock to you."

At least a line of dialouge that suggests that Shepard is even aware of the situation ahead. I mean sure, yours was a wholly platonic relationship with Ash but even then simply talking so casually to a friend in these circumstances is pretty dumb, so imagine how it would look from a romance standpoint. To have Shepard act utterly indifferent about the whole thing would in and of itself feel like a betrayal.

Also, just for the record Ashley DOES give you a chance to explain what's going on.  Shepard just gives awful responses. When she asks where he's been he has the option of saying that he was avoiding contact with her because he didn't want to reopen old wounds, or that he had 'more important things to do' (again very hurtful if this is from a romance perspective, seriously, imagine being told by someone you loved who you have been grieving for two years that they had more important things to do than contact you) or he can just emotionlessly reply that he was rebuilt by Cerberus.
Which in turn makes it sound like he's a drone reprogrammed to serve Cerberus.

Then when asked about his alliance with Cerberus he either says that Cerberus are not the enemy (in the process slagging off the army he was once a proud member of) and leaves it at that with no further explanation, again making him sound like a traitor or brainwashed drone. Or he can say that he doesn't work for Cerberus, only that they are funding 'this mission' (of which he goes into very little detail of). Raising the obvious question in the air of why he is riding around in a Cerberus made ship, wearing a Cerberus set of armor.

Thing is, with Garrus and Tali you can actually express that you don't like having to work with Cerberus but like it or not, you have to deal with it. That you don't trust them but you do need their resources. Not the case with Ashley/Kaiden.

My point is, Shepard had ample oppurtunity to try and say the right thing, he just didn't. I'd be more inclined to be sympathetic with him if he actually layed down everything in full proper detail for explanation and then showed some kind of emotional response that would dictate that he actually gave two sh*ts about the person he was trying to convince then maybe I'd be more inclined to believe that Ashley/Kaiden is in the wrong here.

Also one thing you have to take into consideration when you look at this situation is one word:
Emotion.

In this kind of situation, emotion can cloud logic. Seeing a once dead commander/lover now wearing the uniform of the enemy after a two year abscence and having just survived an attack by an unknown alien race is a lot to take in. Similarly, this information about Shepard allying with Cerberus flat out contradicts everything Ashley's understood as truth and reality and how things are, that too is a lot to try to accept.

[quote]Since obviously I am still doing a better job of it than she (or Kaidan) did.... at least a "thanks for saving my paralyzed bacon from the Collectors by the way"[/quote]

Funny story actually, you do realize that it was actually The Illusive Man who dropped that tip to the Alliance about the Horizon colony and about Shepard working with Cerberus precicely to see if they could coax a rise out of the Collectors and instigate an attack.
So in other words, the employer that Shepard was defending as 'not being the enemy' is actually the reason so many lives were put at risk in the first place. It's really hard to get mad at Ashley for not leaping into your arms as her savoir when unwittingly:
YOUR NEW ALLY IS THE PERSON WHO PUT HER LIFE IN DANGER IN THE FIRST PLACE!

The fact that Shepard is unaware of this when he arrives on Horizon only proves that Ashley is right, that Cerberus can't be trusted. That they were ready to put her life in danger and the lives of an entire colony in danger too, and that in turn that might mean there are more sinister things going on here.


[quote]... instead of exasperation and codescencion about me not working for the Alliance anymore.[/quote]

I honestly think it's a fair point. I mean the very definition of a betrayal is to leave the army you are currently serving and join the opposing group, especially if said opposing group's beliefs contradict everything from the group you were in before.
Shepard could have just snatched the list of recruits, flown to the Citadel and then tried to reconnect with the Alliance, it might not have worked but at least it would demonstrate the effort. Instead he just goes along with it, he goes along with working for a shady racial extremist terrorist organization and doesn't even think twice and then defends that stance when he talks to Ashley.
That, combined with the loudy explanation he gives and the complete emotional emptiness in the way he greets her, makes it a pretty hard case to sell to someone.
Especially someone who has beleived you were dead for a long time.


[quote]I felt a bit regretful, even remorse always having gone for Liara in ME-1. After Horizon... not at all.

[/quote]

Well whatever, romance whoever you want. That's your right.

I will however point out that if romanced, Ashley, and Kaiden for that matter, do send an email apologizing for what they said. Explaining why they reacted as they did and saying that they understand why you are working with Cerberus and while they can't come with you due to their loyalties and duties they do still clear care deeply for you.

True an email isn't much but it's something. Besides, if Shepard thought it appropriate to greet someone who loved him and has spent two years in immesurable grief with a simple:
"How've you been?"
Then frankly, the email should fit perfectly.

[Moondoggie]

Blue_shadow wrote...

Romancing Jacob first time through. Definitely was not worth "THE PRIIIIZE"

It's hard for me to even get past the first round of flirting with him. His porno dialogue is really annoying in real life these are the kinda guys i think are total creeps and i'd run a mile from.