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[CalJones]

I've never managed to romance Jacob - for all that he has a nice sixpack and a tight little booty, his dialogue is dreadful. Garrus, on the other hand, makes me squee like a schoolgirl looking at cuteoverload.com.

As far as regrets go, I don't really have any. I have paragon and renegade saves from the first game and now I see how they pan out, but I do dislike playing my renegade Sheps and have people on the Citadel be horrible to him/her.

I must admit that, although I tend towards paragon-style most of the time, I have a really hard time not killing Balak in Bring Down the Sky. I always regret Kate Bowman's death, but I couldn't let a terrorist go free. For the same reason, whilst it makes me cringe to hear the workers screaming, I almost always go after Vido on Zaeed's mission. I just can't bring myself to let that bastard walk. (And yet I always spare Loghain in Dragon Age. I just don't see him as a villain, unlike Balak and Vido).

One thing I never did in ME was spare Fist (Wrex always killed him) so I finally went back and played through without taking Wrex on that mission. It's a very short cameo but it is quite funny.

[Chiyeko]

Never really regretted my choices a lot because I made them as I would have done if I where standing there as best as possible. That includes letting the workers die to kill Vido because I know if he gets away he will do a whole lot more harm than those workers. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.



Blowing up the collector base, even an destroyed reapers is dangerous we had seen that before not going to take my chances with that.



Pushing a merc out of the window 90 stories up, well I don't like mercs who are not merc but simply pirates and criminals.



reprogramming the geth, we will need troops badly soon and they seem to be far more resistant to indoctrination might be useful and if not I am certain EDI made a stealth copy of that virus for later use any good AI would have.



etc etc etc

[Faolin]

Chiyeko wrote...
Never really regretted my choices a lot because I made them as I would have done if I where standing there as best as possible.

Not wishing to criticise you at all, but that's kind of the point I had in mind when I made this thread. Anyone can make a choice "in-character" that they don't agree with. ME is only a game after all. The question was whether a person would make a choice they agreed with as a person, and then come to regret it or change their mind later.

[Forst1999]

In ME1 i regreted things so quick, that i reloaded. It seemd to be reasonable to "concentrate on Sovereign", but seeing the face of the Ascension's captain after realizing they were left to die, i HAD to reload. Couldn't bear it.

In ME2 i regret that i thought i was not ready for the suicide mission, getting my crew killed. It seemed reasonable then, because i didn't knew what the collectors did to the abductees (i thought they stored them somewhere...)

[Schattenkeil]

 Well, my decision in Mass Effect 1 to leave the council to die still gnaws on me. All I wanted to do is destroy Sovereign for sure. Saving the Citadel seemed more important than that to me. Yet, all this racism, all this we vs. them thinking frustrates me. My Shepard always had an Asari-like attitude, every species adds to the whole, makes the community stronger and more adaptable, increases wealth and knowledge on the long run, despite competition and backstabbing that may be around.

Other than that I only regret choosing Garrus for tech specialist in the suicide mission on my first playthrough.

[Dean_the_Young]

Well, my paragon Shepard more or less regretted saving the Council by the time ME2 came around. Such a heavy risk, and no prize at all.

[CalJones]

Heh. Well the replacement council doesn't like Shepard any better - and they can't even be bothered to talk to him. So on the balance of it, saving the council is a positive thing. Plus, you get to see turian air quotes.

[Dean_the_Young]

Not like she knows it. The grass is always greener and all that.



Personally, out of character, I consider the human/mixed Council's reluctance to work with Shepard far more reasonable. And I consider the human-dominated Council's temporary inability to work against the threat (too busy consolidating power and control) to be morally and pracitcally preferable to the Paragon Council's complete unwillingness to help.

[Mr. Man]

I regret killing Wrex, on Virmire

[achwas]

V-rex wrote...

achwas wrote...

LessThanKate wrote...

achwas wrote...

Oh, and not being to kick-in Ashely's
teeth for her insolent, self-righteous and utterly half-assed dialogue
on Horizon. Paragon or not, after all of ME-1, anyone who was constantly
wrong back then, only survived because of my wiser/more educated
judgements and does not even give me the chance to explain myself.....
Frankly, she can only pray that she will not ever again serve on my team
!

I regret not being able to say much more than "How u doin'?" to her. Maybe she wouldn't have gotten so worked up if Shepard acted like he/she gave two craps.

*HUGE WALL OF TEXT*

Strangely enough, meeting up with Garrus, Tali and Liara, they, who would actually be on Cerberus "pesky aliens" list and hence, just ever so slightly prejudiced ...... they give you the time of day, listen to what you have to say or any excuses on your part, think it over, let you prove you intentions towards them and only THEN judge you.

Ashley or Kaidan (on Horizon) ? Not a chance..... they are scripted of dogmatistic diehards, who swoon at the mere mention of Cerberus, never even considering that  the Alliance did some of the stuff  one could blame Cerberus for on its own... say the "Hannibal AI" incident vs. "Overlord".... Or biotic experimentation on innocent children (say hi to Jack, Kaidan, you have a ........similar childhood ) . Endorsing and sponsoring the concept of a human "Spectre" as a retributive agent licensed to kill beholden to very little authority and even less legal restraints....
With Udina in charge and a human dominated council, the line gets even more blurry.

Last but not least  - is Ashley in any way less a bigot about aliens than Cerberus ? Gosh, all those talks in ME-1... guess she must have been kidding, right ?
So, what exactly makes Cerberus so much worse than the Alliance ? Alliance and Cerberus = often enough the same stuff, just with a different label.


And yes the collectors attacked Horizon because of  TIM's timely tip. BUT........they would have attacked another colony , without any chance for the Alliance or Cerberus to intercept the assault without TIM playing it that way.
Which reads as : COMPLETE LOSS OF ANOTHER COLONY
So basically, TIM & company are saving lives by manipulating the collector's choice of target. And I doubt Ashely/Kaidan at that point are even aware of TIM's trickery.

And anway, Shepard at that point in time has been ressurected for only a couple of days and probably rather busy saving the galaxy. I have the creeping suspicion, Shep  had more important things to do than trying to link up with an old acquaintance one hasn't seen for only a couple of days subjective time. It's been two years for her, only a coouple of days for Shepard.
One with a suprisingly well encrypted personel file to boot ---> e.g. hard to find in the first place .
While obviously, Shepard is easy enough to find - at least  for Anderson - to drop an e-mail straight into my Cerberus account. So why not for Ash or Kaidan ?

If there is any way to succeed in ME-3 without having Ashley rejoin... she just won't be given a chance, from a roleplaying P.o.V. Kaidan went nuclear on Vormire , so he won't be around anyway.






Another thing I regret as an ingame choice - leaving Enohra (the Asari Eclipse wanna-be) on Illium alive on my initial paragon playthrough, simply because it  seemed so correct at the time, paragonic instead of trusting my instincts.

Modifié par achwas, 12 octobre 2010 - 10:51 .

[PrinceLionheart]

Giving Samesh his wife's body back. As heartless as it seems, her body really was important to save more lives.



Letting Balak go.



Romancing Tali.

[Inquisitor Recon]

PrinceLionheart wrote...
Romancing Tali.

Better take cover, I can hear the fanboys charging. Hope you set up the barbed wire.

[PrinceLionheart]

ReconTeam wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...
Romancing Tali.

Better take cover, I can hear the fanboys charging. Hope you set up the barbed wire.

I'm just saying. People can take shots at people like Jacob or Ashley all they want, but the slightest crack on Tali is outright blasphemy. 

But in all seriousness, I am being legit. I found her romance rather lacking, I don't believe A "Paragon Shep", which I am one, would risk Tali's health just to get laid.

[Lucifer_Cheney]

When you think about it, a paragon male Shepard shouldn't get romantically involved with any of the ME2 LI's except Tali (Jack's damaged and Miranda is a Cerberus apologist). And then, he should be adamant that she not risk her health just so they can bump inter-species uglies!



Not to mention that little thing regarding their suicide mission and the impending jump through a relay where no ship containing those not genetically rewritten by the Reapers have survived..

[V-rex]

[quote]achwas wrote...

[quote]V-rex wrote...

[quote]achwas wrote...

[quote]LessThanKate wrote...

[quote]achwas wrote...

Oh, and not being to kick-in Ashely's
teeth for her insolent, self-righteous and utterly half-assed dialogue
on Horizon. Paragon or not, after all of ME-1, anyone who was constantly
wrong back then, only survived because of my wiser/more educated
judgements and does not even give me the chance to explain myself.....
Frankly, she can only pray that she will not ever again serve on my team
!

[/quote]

I regret not being able to say much more than "How u doin'?" to her. Maybe she wouldn't have gotten so worked up if Shepard acted like he/she gave two craps.

*HUGE WALL OF TEXT*

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[quote]Strangely enough, meeting up with Garrus, Tali and Liara, they, who would actually be on Cerberus "pesky aliens" list and hence, just ever so slightly prejudiced ...... they give you the time of day, listen to what you have to say or any excuses on your part, think it over, let you prove you intentions towards them and only THEN judge you.[/quote]

Actually, when you meet Tali for the first time, there is actually an urgent mission in the way that distracts from the 'you are alive and with Cerberus' bit. Hence, she has time to absorb this information and by the time you meet again she's accepted it.
As for Garrus, well, he was SHOT BY A FLYING GUNSHIP AND NEEDED MEDICAL ATTENTION. He didn't really HAVE anywhere else to go, so he might as well sign up. 
Neither Garrus, nor Tali, had any kind of loyalty or immediate duty that they were bound to, Garrus was a lawless vigliante and Tali was an espionage research leader who had just completed her task after her team was killed. There was nothing holding them back and both had time to absorb said information.

Ashley/Kaiden (I am going to just say Ashley from this point) don't get that. She meets Shepard AFTER the initial Horizon attack and so obviously without any immediate disaster (instead the aftermath of said disaster) all she has to think about is having to come to terms with Shepard being alive and working with Cerberus.
Ashley still has loyalties and duties to the Alliance and, similarly, Cerberus has been the arch enemy of the Alliance since the two factions were established.

Plus the dialogue options Shepard gets to say to Garrus and Tali are much, much, MUCH better than the options you can say to Ashley. This isn't Ashley's fault, it's Shepards. Or rather it is the fault of the people writing the scene, as Shepard only has the choice of sounding like a Cerberus drone or someone who has mixed agendas.

[quote]Ashley or Kaidan (on Horizon) ? Not a chance..... they are scripted of dogmatistic diehards, who swoon at the mere mention of Cerberus[/quote]

Swooning is something people do in response to something they like or find appealing, not something they hate. If I were to write a sentance like:
"She swooned at the very mention of his name."
That would imply that 'she' liked 'him'.

Just thought I'd explain that.

Also having loyalty to an army doesn't mean you are a 'diehard'.

[quote]never even considering that  the Alliance did some of the stuff  one could blame Cerberus for on its own... say the "Hannibal AI" incident vs. "Overlord".... [/quote]

I'm going to be honest here, I have not played any Mass Effect 2 DLC's so I have no idea what you are talking about here. So in that regard, I'll let you have this one as I can't really comment one way or the other.

[quote]Or biotic experimentation on innocent children (say hi to Jack, Kaidan, you have a ........similar childhood ) .[/quote]

Yes, there was a fair degree of amorality on both sides. However, it is fairly clear that Jack's ordeal was far worse and whereas Kaiden was simply one of many being trained in the standard way to make biotic soldiers, Jack was the victim of various abusive procedures in a facility that eventually went rogue. Kaiden might have gotten a few beatings but he was never thrown into a ring and forced to kill other children to stay alive. He also was never subjected to endless cycles of varying degrees of pain and torture to test his reactions.
Both were nasty, but the Alliance is the lesser of two evils.

[quote]Endorsing and sponsoring the concept of a human "Spectre" as a retributive agent licensed to kill beholden to very little authority and even less legal restraints.... [/quote]

As well as strengthing human political influence in the galaxy a little better. Having a human spectre helped welcome humanity into the fold of galactic policies. I doubt they were planning to turn Shepard into an evil murderous puppet, Shepard was a spectre and by joining the spectres it gave humanity a little bit more political significance.
There's nothing inherently amoral about wanting to have more influence in the galaxy, especially if you are the race that has been acting as underdog this whole time.

There is however, something inherently amoral about wanting to 'secure human dominance' note the word: DOMINANCE, in the galaxy and using what amounts to a powerful weapon to do it.


[quote]With Udina in charge and a human dominated council, the line gets even more blurry.[/quote]

Well I never have that outcome as I always play it Paragon. But still as it stands even in a human run government and council, a terrorist organization is still a terrorist organization.

[quote]Last but not least  - is Ashley in any way less a bigot about aliens than Cerberus ? Gosh, all those talks in ME-1... guess she must have been kidding, right ? [/quote]

Oh boy, this one again. I just looooooove hearing this bloody argument over and over again let me tell you, yep this is just the one that never, ever, ever, ever gets f*cking old.<_<

Ashley is NOT a bigot. Not even close. Yes, she has distrust of alien foreign powers and that is due to a lack of personal experience with alien races and bad family history, not because she just doesn't like alien races. She is suspicious of their motives and isn't sure if ultimatley the Council can be relied on as allies from a political standpoint. That doesn't mean she want to wage war against them.

She still happily volunteers to assist the Salarian team on Virmire, compliments Tali in the elevator conversations and showing sympathy and respect to the Quarians in the process, despises the policies of Terra Firma beleiving them to be xenophobic jackals, doesn't believe that humanity has the right to mistreat alien races and she herself does not think humanity is 'superior'.

In fact in some ways, she was kidding about her distrust of aliens. Because namely the main reason she distrusts aliens is actually because of her grandfather being the first human to surrender to an alien race and as a result her family name being blacklisted. So really, deep down she actually resents the Alliance for blacklisting her family name but as she was raised to be a patriot, if you get into an argument with her about that, she changes her view on aliens for the better as a result.

Cerberus meanwhile, perform hate crimes against aliens, borderline terrorist actions against them, maintain an ideology of superiority to alien races and in general are fanatically pro human and extremist. Comparing Ashley's views on aliens to Cerberus's is just ridiculous.

It's like telling me that because I wouldn't want North Koreans wandering freely on a top secret military project in my country that I am the exact equal to someone who wants to go to North Korea and perform mass terrorist attacks on its people in vast numbers.



[quote]So, what exactly makes Cerberus so much worse than the Alliance ? Alliance and Cerberus = often enough the same stuff, just with a different label.[/quote]

Well the Alliance is actually a legitimate army backed up by an actual government for one thing. Cerberus is a privately run organization that is driven largely by racial extremism and like I said before:
They seek human dominance in the galaxy, I.e supremecy. And it seemed like TIM was planning to use the Collector base for just such an idea, seriously I trust that man about as far as I can throw Grunt.

As it stands, it was the Alliance that fought Sovereign at the Citadel, Cerberus did nothing.


[quote]And yes the collectors attacked Horizon because of  TIM's timely tip. BUT........they would have attacked another colony , without any chance for the Alliance or Cerberus to intercept the assault without TIM playing it that way.
Which reads as : COMPLETE LOSS OF ANOTHER COLONY[/quote]

Yes, you have a point there. But still maintaining a:
"I SAVED YOUR LIFE AND THIS COLONY!"
Doesn't hold much merit when you are the reason it needed saving.

His reasons for doing it was not my point of judging him, rather simply his actions. And frankly if he is ready to stop at nothing and put many innocent people at risk to further his agenda, no matter what said agenda might be, it still screams:
CANNOT BE TRUSTED.

So yes, it does make sense as to why he did it. But still that does also mean that there are a lot of innocent dead as a result of him doing that, which certainly implies a level of amorality on his part.


[quote]So basically, TIM & company are saving lives by manipulating the collector's choice of target. And I doubt Ashely/Kaidan at that point are even aware of TIM's trickery.[/quote]

Of course not, however looking at the statistics that TIM was ready to kill off half a colony and put people at risk in the process and for a goal that is anything but clear, can you really blame a layman who hasn't really seen the deeper goings on of Cerberus to consider that distrustful.

[quote]And anway, Shepard at that point in time has been ressurected for only a couple of days and probably rather busy saving the galaxy. I have the creeping suspicion, Shep  had more important things to do than trying to link up with an old acquaintance one hasn't seen for only a couple of days subjective time. It's been two years for her, only a coouple of days for Shepard.[/quote]

I can see where you are coming from here, but since my playthrough had Shepard romancing Ashley, you'd think one of the first things he would do would be wonder where she is and if she's okay. Besides, if he can find time to wander around Omega, Purgatory and a lot of other planets and locations, you would think he'd have time to ask around. Or at least try to link up with his old army again.
What I'm saying is, it would have been nice to give me the option.


[quote]One with a suprisingly well encrypted personel file to boot ---> e.g. hard to find in the first place .
While obviously, Shepard is easy enough to find - at least  for Anderson - to drop an e-mail straight into my Cerberus account. So why not for Ash or Kaidan ?[/quote]

Because Anderson is an admiral/Council member and as such has access to intelligence files and reports coming in so obviously he has the resources to send a message to Shepard's email address which is probably the same as it was two years ago.
Ashley/Kaiden meanwhile are soldiers, they don't get as much ready access to information as Anderson does, in fact they even mention that when reports came in about Shepard working with Cerberus that they (Again, going bck to Ashley, can't do this double perspective stuff) and Anderson 'wouldn't talk'.

Why bother sending an email to someone if you aren't aware that they are alive?

So essentially Ashley hadn't known prior to Horizon, at least not for sure, that Shepard was even alive. She certainly wouldn't have been told much more than a report on the matter and this would be way after Anderson got the message. So obviously it comes as more of a shock to her to suddenly see, without any doubt, that Shepard was alive.

Like I said before, if romanced, Ashley does send an email saying sorry for her actions. She did know about Shepard's email address, she just didn't contact him before because she didn't know he was alive.



[quote]If there is any way to succeed in ME-3 without having Ashley rejoin... she just won't be given a chance,[/quote]

From what I understand, at the end of Mass Effect: retribution (limited knowledge here) Anderson is setting up a task force to deal with the Reapers, it's a sure fire possibility then that Ashley/Kaiden will be a part of that as they have more loyalty to Anderson then they do Udina. Hence they are quite probably going to have a significant part in the battle ahead and you are probably going to need their assistance.
I don't know what it would say about the great commander Shepard if he decided that one angry encounter was enough to make him want to sever all ties when the fate of the galaxy is at stake.

By the way, I just looked bakc and realized that I probably came off as overly aggressive in this response, let it be known that I don't wish you any personal offence and if I have come across as rude, I apologize.
I try my best to avoid making enemies over things like video game character debates.

Modifié par V-rex, 13 octobre 2010 - 03:00 .

[Hopefire]

I once took the Renegade path to Jack's loyalty mission. Once I saw Shepard go Palpatine on Jack, I reloaded and did it as a Paragon.

[thesuperdarkone]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Romancing Tali.

 

I agree completely. It just seems so out of place. Tali always asks crazy even if you were an ***hole to her in the first game:bandit: And all Tali cares about is sex, so Tali doesn't care about the relationship, but just just the sex:whistle:
What does that tell you about her:whistle:

[The_Numerator]

The "Shepard gets some" interpretation of the Tali romance seems to be largely confined to the more... "zealous" of the self-identified Tali fanbase. Or at least, it's not an account I've heard advanced by less... "involved" elements. So perhaps premature to judge the writing harshly when the problem may be a matter of popular perception.

[achwas]

Hopefire wrote...

I once took the Renegade path to Jack's loyalty mission. Once I saw Shepard go Palpatine on Jack, I reloaded and did it as a Paragon.

never tried that... thanks for the pointer^^

[maxernst]

Does this include choices where the option you picked didn't do what you expected? Because when my shep was contacted by the Tenth Street Reds, when I talked to the Turian I picked a dialog option that I intended to use just to find out more about the guy before making my decision and ended up ratting him out.

[Schattenkeil]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Well, my paragon Shepard more or less regretted saving the Council by the time ME2 came around. Such a heavy risk, and no prize at all.

Why? It's not like the new council would believe you if you save the old one.