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[Khylia Morgoth]

PrincessRiku wrote...

I just vote Gaider's a maleficar himself, because that much awesome with being spot on with naming on accident? Lol. There are unnatural things afoot.

Maybe...Maybe not Maleficar, though i have to admit he is a great writer non-the-less giggles:lol:

[ObserverStatus]

Chris Priestly wrote...
It is true. If anything, David has a perchant for naming characters after poeple he knows or games with in real life.

Out of curiosity, why do you have satanic smileys on all your posts?

[Akka le Vil]

It's perfectly believable that many names are thought on the spot and don't have any purposeful underlying meanings.

Some names, though, have a strong and very well known history, and are difficult to use "innocently" (if you get my meaning).

For example, I've a hard time imagining that Cassandra was used "randomly". It's just too well known. Is she another coincidence, or does her name actually HAVE a meaning, at a level or another ?

[DarthCaine]

Alistair and Morrigan are clearly references to Arthur and Morgan Le Fay

[upsettingshorts]

J. Michael Straczyzsnki would hate this thread.

[Lukas Kristjanson]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

You don't symbolically name characters huh? Then what of Arl Foreshadow? Hah! Caught in your own tangly web you juggler of words and witticisms!

Arl Foreshadow is mine, actually. I added him because I wrote Lord Foreshadow in Baldur's Gate, and, well, self-plagiarizing is the sincerest form of masturbation. And I can confirm that Dave doesn't care much about matching characters to references. It may be that (INSERT SEEMINGLY OBVIOUS NAME HERE) seemed appropriate to us because of whatever cultural baggage it inherantly had, but that isn't the intent in the vast majority of cases. We're far more likely to remove a name for connections than we are to include it. We want our characters to stand on their own, and historical matching games aren't of much interest, really. And you would be spectacularly uninspired by some of our naming discussions.

"Bug says we have too many starting with M."
"What about BLAH?"
"Killed a guy with that name in Origins."
"BLAH?"
"Too soft. And we already have that letter too."
"'X' is fantasy. Add an apostrophe if it's an elf."
"Argh, just leave it for a month and people will be used to it."

[upsettingshorts]

Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

Arl Foreshadow is mine, actually. I added him because I wrote Lord Foreshadow in Baldur's Gate

In the next game will he be demoted to royal servant Mr. Foreshadow?

[Morroian]

bobobo878 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
It is true. If anything, David has a perchant for naming characters after poeple he knows or games with in real life.

Out of curiosity, why do you have satanic smileys on all your posts?

Cause he's evil

[Darkshore]

Hmm I always thought you planned the meaning behind some of these names Mr. Gaider. It's kind of neat to hear that they really were just coincidental. A lot of them really fit the characters.

[Sigma Tauri]

this isnt my name wrote...
How so ? I dont know much about what influenced him (apparently there is christian stuff in there, but I dont see it) aside from that, I dont know . So would be interesting to find what he was inspired by. Also for someone who is a "hack" he sure has shaped the fantasy world.

Ok on topic, I may have to read into the celtic stuff, I dont hear about it so I never considered reading it before, but it sounds pretty interesting. I knew Morrigan was like a celtic witch or something but thats about it.

Sorry for the cross-fora talk, but not even when Kirkbride replied to you on that DA thread?

[Faz432]

Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

You don't symbolically name characters huh? Then what of Arl Foreshadow? Hah! Caught in your own tangly web you juggler of words and witticisms!

Arl Foreshadow is mine, actually. I added him because I wrote Lord Foreshadow in Baldur's Gate, and, well, self-plagiarizing is the sincerest form of masturbation. And I can confirm that Dave doesn't care much about matching characters to references. It may be that (INSERT SEEMINGLY OBVIOUS NAME HERE) seemed appropriate to us because of whatever cultural baggage it inherantly had, but that isn't the intent in the vast majority of cases. We're far more likely to remove a name for connections than we are to include it. We want our characters to stand on their own, and historical matching games aren't of much interest, really. And you would be spectacularly uninspired by some of our naming discussions.

"Bug says we have too many starting with M."
"What about BLAH?"
"Killed a guy with that name in Origins."
"BLAH?"
"Too soft. And we already have that letter too."
"'X' is fantasy. Add an apostrophe if it's an elf."
"Argh, just leave it for a month and people will be used to it."

haha what was the discussion for Andraste?

"need a female name guys"
"might as well start at A...Alison?"
"No no c'mon"
"Abby?"
"Stop messing around guys, we need a good name"
"Andrea?"
"Right thanks for nothing guys I'll do it myself, Andrea, seriously?....wait a minute...Andrea...Andra....Andras...ANDRASTE!!!"

[David Gaider]

Faz432 wrote...
haha what was the discussion for Andraste?

"need a female name guys"
"might as well start at A...Alison?"
"No no c'mon"
"Abby?"
"Stop messing around guys, we need a good name"
"Andrea?"
"Right thanks for nothing guys I'll do it myself, Andrea, seriously?....wait a minute...Andrea...Andra....Andras...ANDRASTE!!!"

Not too far off. Andraste was originally named "Augusta", though James Ohlen thought that sounded too plain. I went to "Astarte", but that was an existing goddess. I think we went around in circles a few times before I put my foot down and said it would be Andraste-- but, truth be told, I couldn't tell you how we arrived at it. I think it was derived from "Astarte" and originally intended without the "ay" sound at the end.

But, yeah. Names are weird. We argue about them a lot-- in fact, my Rules of Naming come not from the forums but from our own bickering over them. There's only two things we get oddly passionate about: names and rules of grammar.

[Rhayth]

The names in DAO were so good that it made me spend more time on naming my chars and I still never am happy with my dwarven names.

[Khylia Morgoth]

yes i agee i had problems with dwarven names myself, but i get my elven and human names from my DND days

[Rhayth]

I felt good about my Dalish name-Hariel

[Nadiasama]

I can attest to these coincidences. I normally try to give my characters meaningful names but for my second playthru character, Remy, I just chose a name that I like from two different fandoms. I had no idea at the time that here was a legendary character with the same name within the lore of the DA Universe. So I just made it so that her parents named her based on this legend and added that they thought she would be a boy to justify the masculine name.

[David Gaider]

Akka le Vil wrote...
For example, I've a hard time imagining that Cassandra was used "randomly". It's just too well known. Is she another coincidence, or does her name actually HAVE a meaning, at a level or another ?

Mike liked the name. There's a classical reference for it, sure, but Cassandra in DA2 isn't predicting doom and having nobody believe her. So it's just a name.

DarthCaine wrote...
Alistair and Morrigan are clearly references to Arthur and Morgan Le Fay

"Clearly" because they both begin with the same letter? Err... yes. How devious of us.

Modifié par David Gaider, 08 octobre 2010 - 04:47 .

[Anarya]

You guys can use my name whenever you want!

Unless you think it's ugly. Oh no! *runs off sobbing in a dramatic fashion*

Question: Where did Aveline come from? I liked both the name and the story and I'm happy to see you used it for a DA2 character. I was considering naming my Hawke Aveline after the chevalier until I saw that.

Modifié par Anarya, 08 octobre 2010 - 05:04 .

[Ortaya Alevli]

Well, I could suggest a few Qunari names, too.

...wait.

[ObserverStatus]

David Gaider wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...
Alistair and Morrigan are clearly references to Arthur and Morgan Le Fay

"Clearly" because they both begin with the same letter? Err... yes. How devious of us.

     Having the same first letters in their names alone isn't enough to make them seem like a reference to Arthur and Morgan, but there are other reasons to believe so as well.  Alistair and Morrigan are a king and a witch respectively, as were Arthur and Morgan.  Also, some fans have speculated that Morrigan's father was King Maric, based on details of your book, The Stolen Throne.  This would make Alistair and Morrigan half sibblings like Arthur and Morgan.

     I'm not going to say that your argument is invalid, because you wrote the book.  There could be unpublished details that you know and we don't which would make it obvious that the reference DarthCaine noted is false. However, I don't think it's fair to say that having the same first letter in their names is the only parallel fans have noticed.

Modifié par bobobo878, 08 octobre 2010 - 05:36 .

[DarthCaine]

David Gaider wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Alistair and Morrigan are clearly references to Arthur and Morgan Le Fay

"Clearly" because they both begin with the same letter? Err... yes. How devious of us.

Well ok, maybe not that clear. But it's not just the names.

Arthur and Alistair are both Kings (or at least have royal blood, since whether Alistair is king is determinted by the player's choices). Morgan Le Fay and Morrigan are both dark haired sorceresses and from the events in The Stolen Throne Morrigan is probably Maric's daughter making her Alistair's half sister (just like how Morgan Le Fay is Arthur's half sister). If you do the dark ritual with Alistair, it strengthens my theory even more (then again, this is also determined by the player's choice).

But, I'm pretty sure you've heard all of this before, you just want to tease us.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 08 octobre 2010 - 05:39 .

[David Gaider]

Anarya wrote...
Question: Where did Aveline come from? I liked both the name and the story and I'm happy to see you used it for a DA2 character. I was considering naming my Hawke Aveline after the chevalier until I saw that.

I don't remember where that name came from. It's a pretty minor character, after all, so it may be a case of me pulling a name out of thin air. That does happen on occasion.

DarthCaine wrote...
Well ok, maybe not that clear. But it's not just the names.

Arthur
and Alistair are both Kings (or at least have royal blood, since
whether Alistair is king is determinted by the player's choices). Morgan
Le Fay and Morrigan are both dark haired sorceresses and from the
events in The Stolen Throne Morrigan is probably Maric's daughter
making her Alistair's half sister (just like how Morgan Le Fay is
Arthur's half sister). If you do the dark ritual with Alistair, it
strengthens my theory even more (then again, this is also determined by
the player's choice).

But, I'm pretty sure you've heard all of this before, you just want to tease us.

Oh, no, I get it. The writers discussed this because it was interesting how the parralels ended up-- but that's not where it started (which I thought was what you were implying). It's not like I started with the Arthurian legend and tried to mix it up... I actually did that in DAO, if you take a look at the legend of King Calenhad. Maybe it was there subliminally, I don't know.

Modifié par David Gaider, 08 octobre 2010 - 05:49 .

[Anarya]

Well it's a very pretty name so good job if that's where it came from. Names are kind of a pain in the butt to think up, for me.

[ObserverStatus]

Anarya wrote...
You guys can use my name whenever you want!
Unless you think it's ugly. Oh no! *runs off sobbing in a dramatic fashion*
Question: Where did Aveline come from? I liked both the name and the story and I'm happy to see you used it for a DA2 character. I was considering naming my Hawke Aveline after the chevalier until I saw that.

What do you have in mind?  Are you thinking of that random encounter from Fallout 2 in which the forumites lynch the troll?  I don't know if any of the forumites, moderators, or Bioware employees will get a cameo, but if they decided to do that they would have plenty of options.  Perhaps ME3 could have a galactic news report about shandepared debating with nightwriter.

Modifié par bobobo878, 08 octobre 2010 - 06:00 .

[Anarya]

bobobo878 wrote...

Anarya wrote...
You guys can use my name whenever you want!
Unless you think it's ugly. Oh no! *runs off sobbing in a dramatic fashion*
Question: Where did Aveline come from? I liked both the name and the story and I'm happy to see you used it for a DA2 character. I was considering naming my Hawke Aveline after the chevalier until I saw that.

What do you have in mind?  Are you thinking of that random encounter from Fallout 2 in which the forumites lynch the troll?  I don't know if any of the forumites, moderators, or Bioware employees will get a cameo, but if they decided to do that they would have plenty of options.  Perhaps ME3 could have a galactic news report about shandepared debating with nightwriter.

I don't think I warrant a cameo by any means. They could name the insane beggar woman Anarya if they wanted to. Or a transvestite dwarf prostitute, or a dead body like Genitivi's assistant guy.

I just like the way my name sounds, is all. I'm not really expecting the writers to actually use it. But I'm saying they could, if they wanted to.