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[Frybread76]

Shandepared wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

His Ruthlessness and tampering with Reaper Technology was what lead to his descent into Indoctrination.

His ruthlessness had nothing to do with that. He was just being practical. We need to study Reaper tech (to "tamper" with it) if we want to defeat them.

Says who?  The Geth don't believe so, and the writers don't as well since all of the Cerberus scientists who studied Reaper tech were indoctrinated or went insane.

[Elite Midget]

Yet every attempt to study Reaper Tech not left behind intentionally by the Reapers has almost always had ill effects. Saren is just a primarly case... The only big stand out use of Reaper Tech was the unplanned destruction of Soveriegn(The Reapers didn't think a single organic could lead to the death of one of their own) and heavily modified Reaper Tech, over who knows how many years, such as the Conduit. Tampering with the Keepers isn't really tampering with pure Reaper Tech since they're just modified Organics forced to serve.

[Aztag09]

I personally believe that you need a both, there is of course getting the job done no matter how its done. The Council only wants the objective to be completed, its your morals guiding you how accomplish this objective.

[Elite Midget]

Yeah... Past experiences mean nothing, right?



With the success rate when dealing with Reaper Tech I would think it would be better not to keep toying with it. We already have things like the Thanix cannon which is stronger than what the SR1 Normandy used to blow through a shieldless Soveriegn and made mince meat of the Collector Base's giant back up ship...

[scotchtape622]

Shandepared wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Yeah... Past experiences mean nothing, right?

People were trying to fly for centuries but they never got anywhere.

Because over time, taking advantage of their past experience, they improved their design until they were successful.

Modifié par scotchtape622, 07 octobre 2010 - 11:36 .

[Spectre_907]

noobzor99 wrote...

Spectre_907 wrote...

Agreed that killing Balak and saving the Collector base are safer approaches.

Wait, keeping the technology that is known to infect and control all sentient species is safe now?

We have no intelligence regarding Reaper construction. Information from the base can nullify this predicament. The only risk, though I would go as far as to say that there is no risk here, from the base is that of Cerberus handling the technology but this is negligible compared to the threat of the Reapers.

[Schneidend]

Shandepared wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

Since you and your Shepards don't know how their own morals and decisions will affect the future either that is just your own opinion, not some superiour logic.

It is superior logic. It is safer to kill the rachni queen, safer to kill Balak, safer to concentrate on Sovereign, safer to keep the Collector base.

What? Whoa. You had me up until you suggested that keeping the fortress made of potentially indoctrinating reaper technology is the "safer" option. It's a giant blender that makes reapers!

It is much safer to simply destroy the base.

[Schneidend]

Shandepared wrote...

Better to know our enemy tnan to hope for the best.

We already have reaper technology to study. That's how we developed the Thanix cannons. Fully intact reaper technology is too dangerous. We can study the wreckage of the blown up Collector base, but keeping the entire thing is most definitely a risk.

[Clover Rider]

Shandepared wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

We already have reaper technology to study.

Without the Collector base all we have is scraps. We need more than that.

And how do you know?

[Clover Rider]

Shandepared wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

And how do you know?

Uncommon sense.

The important thing is that I don't know what will be needed to defeat the Reapers. Thus I want to know everything I can about them so that I know where I stand and have some idea of what might be necessary to defeat them. This means I need to keep the Collector base.

But you know you can win without it?

[mosor]

Elite Midget wrote...

Yet every attempt to study Reaper Tech not left behind intentionally by the Reapers has almost always had ill effects. Saren is just a primarly case... .

The collector base wasn't meant to be controlled nor found by non-reaper agents. Regarding Saren, he didn't know exactly what he was dealing with until he was already indoctrinated.

As for Saren, being his human counterpart is hillariously awesome.

Modifié par mosor, 08 octobre 2010 - 12:18 .

[Frybread76]

mosor wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Yet every attempt to study Reaper Tech not left behind intentionally by the Reapers has almost always had ill effects. Saren is just a primarly case... .

The collector base wasn't meant to be controlled nor found by non-reaper agents. Regarding Saren, he didn't know exactly what he was dealing with until he was already indoctrinated.

As for Saren, being his human counterpart is hillariously awesome.

Yet the Cerberus science team still went insane despite knowing they were aboard a 37-million-year-old Reaper.

[GodWood]

Elite Midget wrote...
A Renegade Shepard is just a Human Saren.

I can live with that.

[Clover Rider]

Shandepared wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

But you know you can win without it?

What in the hell are you talking about?

Go back to school and take English again.

I was just talking about ME3 you will not need the base to win the war;).

[Dean_the_Young]

Elite Midget wrote...

Yet every attempt to study Reaper Tech not left behind intentionally by the Reapers has almost always had ill effects. Saren is just a primarly case... The only big stand out use of Reaper Tech was the unplanned destruction of Soveriegn(The Reapers didn't think a single organic could lead to the death of one of their own) and heavily modified Reaper Tech, over who knows how many years, such as the Conduit.

Studying Reaper tech didn't indoctrinate Sare, being around Sovereign did. Because, you know, Sovereign wanted it to happen. It wasn't an accident of curiosity or ruthlessness on Saren's part.

The Reapers accept that organics can kill them: the Derilect Reaper was taken out, after all, and Sovereign waited as long as he did because the Reapers judged that Sovereign could be stopped in an outright assault on the Citadel. They think defeat is inevitable, but they do not believe themselves, individually, to be invincible.

Tampering with the Keepers isn't really tampering with pure Reaper Tech since they're just modified Organics forced to serve.

When you constantly redefine what Reaper technology composes of to exclude more and more of what the Reapers have a direct involvement, the term increasingly becomes meaningless. If you can't count the Keepers, a race deliberately designed and controled by the Reapers and their systems for billions of years, as a product of Reaper technology, nothing fits the bill.

Reaper technology is a vast spectrum. It consists of material engineering, e-zero tech, biotics, mass effect fields, cybernetics, FTL communications, FTL travel, biological-repurposing, genetics, chemistry, AI construct designs.

[Dean_the_Young]

Frybread76 wrote...

mosor wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Yet every attempt to study Reaper Tech not left behind intentionally by the Reapers has almost always had ill effects. Saren is just a primarly case... .

The collector base wasn't meant to be controlled nor found by non-reaper agents. Regarding Saren, he didn't know exactly what he was dealing with until he was already indoctrinated.

As for Saren, being his human counterpart is hillariously awesome.

Yet the Cerberus science team still went insane despite knowing they were aboard a 37-million-year-old Reaper.

A 37 million year-old Reaper is built with the intent to be able to indoctrinate people as a natural function, and is intended to come across organics to indoctrinate as well.

So... so what? The Derilect Reaper was a risk calculated as acceptable? Which it really was, in the long run?

[mosor]

Frybread76 wrote...

mosor wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Yet every attempt to study Reaper Tech not left behind intentionally by the Reapers has almost always had ill effects. Saren is just a primarly case... .

The collector base wasn't meant to be controlled nor found by non-reaper agents. Regarding Saren, he didn't know exactly what he was dealing with until he was already indoctrinated.

As for Saren, being his human counterpart is hillariously awesome.

Yet the Cerberus science team still went insane despite knowing they were aboard a 37-million-year-old Reaper.

Yet they also accomplished their mission by locating that little IFF in that vast hulk of a ship we know absolutely nothing about. That IFF was the key to stopping the collectors. That's a small sacrifice to save hundreds of thousands of humans. I probably would have joined that science team, even if I was fully aware of my ultimate fate.

[Frybread76]

mosor wrote...

Frybread76 wrote...

mosor wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Yet every attempt to study Reaper Tech not left behind intentionally by the Reapers has almost always had ill effects. Saren is just a primarly case... .

The collector base wasn't meant to be controlled nor found by non-reaper agents. Regarding Saren, he didn't know exactly what he was dealing with until he was already indoctrinated.

As for Saren, being his human counterpart is hillariously awesome.

Yet the Cerberus science team still went insane despite knowing they were aboard a 37-million-year-old Reaper.

Yet they also accomplished their mission by locating that little IFF in that vast hulk of a ship we know absolutely nothing about. That IFF was the key to stopping the collectors. That's a small sacrifice to save hundreds of thousands of humans. I probably would have joined that science team, even if I was fully aware of my ultimate fate.

And Shepard and Co. installed that IFF and almost brought destruction down upon their ship if it wasn't for an EDI, an illegal AI that Alliance and Citadel ships do not have.