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[Dean_the_Young]

Lair of the Shadow Broker, sadly enough, didn't have any real delimmas. Even the hostage situation always ends with the hostage alive, if limping, and nothing else comes close. No matter what you do, what you did, how you treated her, Liara would kill the Broker and then take the mantle, becoming your other information-providing ally. No hard question. No delimma. Assured access.

What if it hadn't been? What if the end had been changed to an if-else setup: after some changes in the progression, when confronted the Shadow Broker gave you a delimma: if you kill him, and he makes no assumptions about his chances against him, while you could capture his ship and maybe even keep some of his records, his information net would be given a signal to break up*, leading to it being impossible to put together again. Kill the Broker, get some of his old data, but the Shadow Broker network is gone forever.

But! If you remove the problem of the troublesome Doctor T'soni, he promises to put his network to use for you against the Reapers, and even drops a few tantelizing secrets to perk your interest. Naturally, Liara can not be allowed to leave alive. Kill Liara, get the old information, and also the benfits of the Shadow Broker network in ME3.


This wasn't done, but if it had: which would you do?



*And by break up, gone forever, I mean it. Forever. No one can put it back together after every agent and contact is outed, every piece of blackmail either lost or destroyed.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 08 octobre 2010 - 12:13 .

[smudboy]

As awesome as the SB network is, I can't see killing Liara for the greater good be something even a Renegade would do, just because some guy with an information network didn't like her.

[adneate]

Why would I trust some thing I just met who wanted to sell my body to the collectors, over a character I've known since the first game and has shown themselves to be incredibly loyal to me? If that was the deal I guess I'll still be adding some new vent holes to the Shadow Broker's skull.

[jbblue05]

I couldn't kill Liara for the SB.



The SB has shown he can't be trusted and whatever is created and destoryed can be re-created it would take time

[Dean_the_Young]

adneate wrote...

Why would I trust some thing I just met who wanted to sell my body to the collectors, over a character I've known since the first game and has shown themselves to be incredibly loyal to me?

Because one could help you far more than the other. Whether you want to isn't the same as whether you feel you should: you had to leave a person behind on Virmire, after all, even if you liked them. If you don't have the proper point total, you'll face a loyalty crisis between team members.

What part do you have to trust? That the Shadow Broker doesn't want to be killed by the Reapers with the rest of the galaxy? I'd be hard pressed to doubt that. That his network will die with him? Not an unreasonable precaution.

You were dead: why shouldn't he have sold your body to the Collectors? You didn't need it again, as far as everyone else knew.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 07 octobre 2010 - 02:16 .

[Dean_the_Young]

jbblue05 wrote...

I couldn't kill Liara for the SB.

The SB has shown he can't be trusted

At what point?

When has the Shadow Broker ever knowingly given bad information?

and whatever is created and destoryed can be re-created it would take time

Not necessarily. Many things, once lost, are irreplacable, and many things that could be emulated are far cries from the original.

[Xilizhra]

First of all, I'd be glad that my spoiler consumption had once again vindicated me. Second, I wouldn't have gotten the DLC until ME3 came out and I knew if there were any other decent LIs in it.

[Estelindis]

No. Not only is Liara a friend, but my Shepard would not kill any person for the sole reason of getting access to an information network (even the SB's).

But it would have been a brilliant moment of crisis, and one of the better oppositions of paragon and renegade (which is so rarely presented as "I did what I had to do" and more often as simple jerkishness).

Upon reflection, though, I can't help but wonder if the SB would always feel dominant over Shep after getting Shep to do something like that - and thus feel able to treat Shep however he wishes, simply by holding out access to the network as a bargaining chip. Even a renegade doesn't want to be manipulated.

Modifié par Estelindis, 07 octobre 2010 - 02:11 .

[Giggles_Manically]

I would not.



I am not selling out a friend to a giant space toad, even if his network is damaged in two years Liara set a good one on her own, with her existing one and her skills it would be running again.



Also I have trust issues with semi-bad guys who sell me out.

Especially of the giant frog variety.

[Dean_the_Young]

Racist.

[adneate]

Dean_the_Young wrote...



What part do you have to trust? That the Shadow Broker doesn't want to be killed by the Reapers with the rest of the galaxy? I'd be hard pressed to doubt that. That his network will die with him? Not an unreasonable precaution.

Sophistry. I wouldn't trust the Old Shadow Broker with a two car parade. He'd sell me up the river to the Reapers if it meant saving his own skin, Liara wouldn't, as far as I'm concerned end of discussion he dies. If the network goes with him so be it.

[philiposophy]

I think that under the circumstances if the Shadow Broker made an offer like that, my Shepard would assume he was bluffing and not take the deal. That may be the incorrect answer if the Broker is being true to his word, but I can't see my Shepard buying it.

[Giggles_Manically]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Racist.

Giant frog lover.

[Dean_the_Young]

adneate wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

What part do you have to trust? That the Shadow Broker doesn't want to be killed by the Reapers with the rest of the galaxy? I'd be hard pressed to doubt that. That his network will die with him? Not an unreasonable precaution.

Sophistry. I wouldn't trust the Old Shadow Broker with a two car parade. He'd sell me up the river to the Reapers if it meant saving his own skin, Liara wouldn't, as far as I'm concerned end of discussion he dies. If the network goes with him so be it.

So, you'd rely that one of the smartest, most well informed people in the galaxy... is a total idiot about the Reapers?

'Oh, the Reapers have wiped out all organic life in the universe for billions of years, but I'm sure they'll make an exception for me, and certainly never turn on me afterwards!'

Really? Not-even-evil antagonists must be stupid?

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 07 octobre 2010 - 02:37 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Racist.

Giant frog lover.

Frogs are awsome. They eat annoying, disease-spreading bugs.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 07 octobre 2010 - 02:36 .

[Xilizhra]

'Oh, the Reapers have wiped out all organic life in the universe for billions of years, but I'm sure they'll make an exception for me, and certainly never turn on me afterwards!'

I think that this very reason is why the Broker sold Shepard to the Collectors in the first place.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

if the asari was wealthy (well connected with the universe), and not diabolical or corrupted, then by vulcan shepard's standards they're beyond a valuable asset/alley.

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

'Oh, the Reapers have wiped out all organic life in the universe for billions of years, but I'm sure they'll make an exception for me, and certainly never turn on me afterwards!'

I think that this very reason is why the Broker sold Shepard to the Collectors in the first place.

No, he sold Shepard's corpse (not a living body) because he didn't think it would do them any good.

Now I need to find where that was...

[lovgreno]

A good question and a tough choice, like it should be in ME. But the word of Liara is more worth than the word of the shadow broker, a typical manipulator.The SB didn't seem interested in doing much actively against the reaper threat (I can't blame him for doubting considering all the false information he has to deal whith though) despite having a lot of info about them. So yeah, Liara is the safer bet though at a potentialy too high cost, but then again every choice in ME have that risk.

[anmiro]

 No.

[Flamesz]

I would never, ever kill Liara just so i could access to information. What sick person would do that to Liara?

[Epic777]

To the OP: I don't think this scenario works, there is NO reason to trust the shadow broker. He already tried to sell your body to the collectors, Liara is the ONLY member of your team who helped bring you back from the dead.

[Sorwis]

Flamesz wrote...

I would never, ever kill Liara just so i could access to information. What sick person would do that to Liara?

Possibly the same person who'd kill Samara to get Morinth to the team.

I'd never kill Liara in ME.

[Barquiel]

No...I could never kill Liara!

[ElectronicFerret]

Regardless of whether you could trust the SB or not -- no.



I will make out with Liara as the shuttle flies away through a lightning storm and the Shadow Broker's ship explodes dramatically in the background.