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[Sloth Of Doom]

nisallik wrote...

Elithranduil wrote...

Khelgar and Oghren are so similar you shouldn't have to even debate it. Go play the game again.

Maybe you should play the game again.  The only similarities between them is that they are dwarves.

Not true, they both also have beards.

[Endurium]

I like the OP's post for entertainment purposes but yes there are some similarities; it's bound to happen. Bioware plays games too, after all. Anyway, it took me back to my least favorite NWN2 campaign. Anyone who thinks this game is the king of contrived situations (including forced party members) really should replay the NWN2 OC to see that DA:O is rather tame in that regard.



The aggro system in combat is, to my knowledge, inspired by or copied from WoW, most likely. Warrior/tank keeps aggro while everyone else is CC and DPS. Hmmm, sounds familiar... Not my favorite kind of combat; I actually prefer BG2/NWN2 party combat.



The approval system is closer to NWN2:MotB but stripped down a bit (romance provided bonuses to both involved characters in MotB).



Also after trying to replay NWN2 with the most recent patch, I was getting rather frustrated trying to figure out whether to use Explore or Character camera settings just to move about (settled on Explore). By contrast DA:O is very easy for me to control and move around in (invisible walls and barriers aside). Obsidian really needs to learn how to create simple, intuitive controls.

[nisallik]

Elithranduil wrote...


The relationship between Loghain and Maric's son is comparable enough to the relationship between Jerro and his estranged daughter Shandra.

Jerro did not know Shandra was his granddaughter until after he killed her.

[Arcane Fury]

Yes, I couldn't help but notice the similarities between the characters and story myself. But why should you be complaining? Everyone obviously bought into their formula, and its clear it works.

[Sloth Of Doom]

Elithranduil wrote...

"Again...really stretching it. Shandra has practicaly nothing in common with Calain nor does Jerro have anything in common with Loghain. Yu are comparing an acient warlock seeking to destroy the main enemy with a powermongering eneral who is position to take control of a country. Although Loghain may have good intentions (debateable) his actions do't mirror those of Jerro at all."

The relationship between Loghain and Maric's son is comparable enough to the relationship between Jerro and his estranged daughter Shandra.

Seriousy?  If you are going to stretch it that far then NWN2 ripped off the story of Arthur and Mordred. 

Or maybe they ripped of Richard and the sherriff of nottingham?   Oh damn thats right...and robin hood was the PC!  he collected a bunch of people like Will Scarlet (Grobnar) and Little John (Bevil) and Friar Tuck (Casivir) to fight off the Sherriff (King of Shadows) after the fall of his home of locksly  (West Harbour).   Robin then must gather allies from the surrounding villages (just like lizardmen and such!) in order to win.

[Solmyr2000]

DA and NWN2 both just copied BG in many ways. You'll find many similarities in characters, even obvious clones like:

Jaheira - Elanee (last one is fail)

Keldorn - Casavir (same)

Xan - Sand (oooh, improvement!)

[DaeFaron]

Problem, your statement about agro is false unless you play the game like that.



I never worry about crowd control or tanking.

[nisallik]

Elithranduil wrote...


I'm not complaining. Dragon Age is awesome. I just want people to know about NWN2 and the hard work Obsidian Entertainment put into it.

Only thing I liked from NWN2 was Khelgar and killing Qara at the end.  MotB is a different story though.

[Endurium]

It's in combat scripts and I'm seeing it whenever I have a group in combat. The only way you can't see it is if you solo.



Rogue has trouble staying in flanking zone because mob keeps turning to him unless I taunt it off him with my warrior.



Mobs rush the mage and archer in the back line; again have to taunt them off with a warrior.



Mob starts attacking warrior but mage spell pulls them off to attack the mage. Again either CC the mob or taunt with warrior.



Just like in WoW. You can ignore it if you wish, but it's there.

[Mordaedil]

This thread is full of SPOILERS.



Thanks guys. I'm not even done with my first playthrough



I have wooooork!

[larry3]

Thankyou for the info

[DaeFaron]

Only, I never taunted them off, if they attacked the archer and mage, and actually was a threat I would run back and kill them, I targeted them as they were close or overall threat level, like enemy mages.

[Wolfva2]

Elithranduil wrote...

Arcane Fury wrote...

Yes, I couldn't help but notice the similarities between the characters and story myself. But why should you be complaining? Everyone obviously bought into their formula, and its clear it works.

I'm not complaining. Dragon Age is awesome. I just want people to know about NWN2 and the hard work Obsidian Entertainment put into it.

Have you actually played DA?  Because frankly, your synopsis sounds like you read a wiki article.  As others have said, you really stretched a number of your similarities.  Sloth did a pretty good job of dissecting your post, so I see no need to do it (Thanks Sloth!). 

There will be similarities between stories.  There are only 36 narative types after all.  Heck, we can compare this with Star Wars and find a bunch of similarities.  OH...MY...GOD!  They ripped off Lucas!  Who, btw, ripped off a number of earlier stories as well.  Heck, Star Wars was based on an old Japanese tale whose name escapes me.  Point being you can find similarities in just about any story.  Doesn't mean it's a rip off. 

[Brimleydower]

People can find correlations between just about anything if they look hard enough. You can liken this story to the majority of Fantasy stories/RPGs out there if you want to boil it down enough. DA was by no means the last, and NWN2 was by no means the first. Go read Lord of the Rings and you can draw the same comparisons.

[Eclesis]

Hmm... does this mean the Warden will wake up in Orlais in the expansion and learn that his/her friends/party/love interest had all been killed by falling rocks?



...the soul eating bit could be fun, though.



Seriously however, I would not mind if they were to remake some of the older games but with better interface/graphics. People keep telling me I need to play Baldur's Gate but the graphics make me a sad panda.

[Harcken]

The characters are a stretch, so many characters with so many different identities have been established that I'd say it is virtually impossible to introduce a complete "unique" character. Character archetypes are widely used, adviser, evil guy with a slight charm (and perhaps some morality buried deep), an arrogant character, a guy with problems that complains too much, etc...



However, I will agree that the stories have striking similarities and that the nwn2 story was 10x better, it felt like the story kept you guessing, unraveling slowly and masterfully after certain quest chains. The side quests (especially companion ones) felt meaningful and were sometimes linked to the main game. Also, companion betrayal felt more authentic. As someone else stated nwn2 also had a lot of linking areas that helped me completely forget the fact that it was a "go to 4 locations" game.

[Cadarin]

The OP might have made a compelling argument if I'd never played NWN2 before. Since I have though, I just had to laugh at how almost all of his comparisons were so far off. West Harbor and Ostagar? One is a remote fishing village in a swamp, and the other is a ruined fortress. The only thing they have in common is that battles were fought at both sites. Of course the first one was just a few monsters slaughtering some villagers, the other involved two armies facing off on a battlefield.

Every one of those character comparisons was ridiculous as well. He just matched up similar classes. Wow, both games featured shapeshifters! Nevermind the fact that Elanee and Morrigan are polar opposites in their personalities.

The only ones that I'd even consider similar at all are Khelgar and Oghren. They're both belligerent dwarven warriors. I've got news for the OP though, that archetype existed long before NWN2. As did the battle between good and evil. Light and dark. Blah, blah, blah. I love both games, but outside of both being party-based role playing games, their similarities are superficial at best.

[Suron]

you do have some points about similarities in the story between the two however



NONE..of your npc comparisons...are even close to be accurate.



morrigan and elanee? Bevil and Alistair?



even if the say...classes are close...doesn't mean anything..the personality, purpose, and EVERYTHING else about them is nothing alike.....Bishop and Sten? there's NOTHING honorable about Bishop..he even sells you out at the end...Sten is nothing like that....



unreal

[RunCDFirst]

Priceless.

I don't think BioWare needs to worry about plaigarism lawsuits.

[Kain_Sicilian]

I find that the similarities are nothing astounding. I find the story similar to David Edding's Belgariad as well. The party gathers an army of different races facing off against Kal Torak(evil King and God). Sounds similar? It was written in the 1980s.