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[Sarah1281]

tool_bot wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
certainly not something she deserves to die for a year later.

Well people have argued that her insulting you is enough to warrant her death, so I am not sure how useful it would be to convince them about a much larger and pertinent issue. 

She's annoying, dismissive and oh yeah, wants to send me to the executioner's block.

Since when isn't that enough for wanting someone dead?

Wanting you dead is plenty of reason to feel the same. Her calling you a churl and saying that your 'betters' are talking really isn't.

[KnightofPhoenix]

tool_bot wrote...
She's annoying, dismissive and oh yeah, wants to send me to the executioner's block.

Since when isn't that enough for wanting someone dead?

The last one is reason enough.
First two?

[TJPags]

tool_bot wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
certainly not something she deserves to die for a year later.

Well people have argued that her insulting you is enough to warrant her death, so I am not sure how useful it would be to convince them about a much larger and pertinent issue. 

She's annoying, dismissive and oh yeah, wants to send me to the executioner's block.

Since when isn't that enough for wanting someone dead?

Actually, I don't think she DOES want to kill the PC.  She doesn't do it in Howe's place - if you surrender or if she defeats you, she tosses you in prison, she doesn't kill you.  If you surrender, she lets everyone except the wardens go - she doesn't lock them up or kill them.

When she confronts you before the Landsmeet, she doesn't attack, she tells you to leave.  If you did (yes, I know the game doesn't let you) I don't think she'd have stabbed you in the back.

So I don't think she really does WANT to kill you.  Obviously, she attacks you before the Landsmeet, but that's only when you don't leave, and she doesn't have much choice to do anything else.

[tool_bot]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

tool_bot wrote...
She's annoying, dismissive and oh yeah, wants to send me to the executioner's block.

Since when isn't that enough for wanting someone dead?

The last one is reason enough.
First two?

They make the difference between wanting someone dead and simply resigning yourself to killing someone. For example, if you had to kill, let's go with Duncan (feel free to substitute whatever character you admire/respect, vs having to kill Bhelen.

Modifié par tool_bot, 08 octobre 2010 - 02:13 .

[tool_bot]

TJPags wrote...

Actually, I don't think she DOES want to kill the PC.  She doesn't do it in Howe's place - if you surrender or if she defeats you, she tosses you in prison, she doesn't kill you.  If you surrender, she lets everyone except the wardens go - she doesn't lock them up or kill them.

I sorta agree but I'm a traitor to Ferelden. I'm going to be executed and she's going to send me there.

[KnightofPhoenix]

tool_bot wrote...
They make the difference between wanting someone dad and simply resigning yourself to killing someone. For example, if you had to kill, let's go with Duncan (feel free to substitute whatever character you admire/respect, vs having to kill Bhelen.

Except Bhelen is a character I admire and respect.

"Annoying" might give you reason to  "want" someone dead, but it doesn't work that way for me.

[Addai]

TJPags wrote...

So I don't think she really does WANT to kill you.  Obviously, she attacks you before the Landsmeet, but that's only when you don't leave, and she doesn't have much choice to do anything else.

Uh, of course she does.  She can get the hell out of the way and mind her own damn business.

[tool_bot]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

"Annoying" might give you reason to  "want" someone dead, but it doesn't work that way for me.

Well I suppose I'll have to be blood thirsty and petty enough for the two of us, then.

[TJPags]

Addai67 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

So I don't think she really does WANT to kill you.  Obviously, she attacks you before the Landsmeet, but that's only when you don't leave, and she doesn't have much choice to do anything else.

Uh, of course she does.  She can get the hell out of the way and mind her own damn business.

Sure - and she does if you pass the persuade option (or so I hear, as I never have )

But then, you can also choose to back away, and let Eamon win the Landsmeet on his own (I know, not a possible game choice, but then, neither is her backing off if you don't pass the check).

Basically, she serves Loghain, and unless you convince her to basically abandon that service, she's not going to back off, and shouldn't.  She's going to continue to serve him, and that means protect him from you and your evidence/accusations.

Basically, again, she talks, rather than attack outright.  If she really wanted to kill the PC, how easy would it be to kill them in Howe's palace, either during the fight or after you surrender?  Yet she doesn't.

[KnightofPhoenix]

@ TJPAgs.

You are assuming that Loghain was the one who ordered her to do that (I think), and I've argued why this probably isn't the case a few pages back. There is a scheduled landsmeet, the Warden and Alistair are expected to be there. It's none of her business to try and not let you through.

[tool_bot]

TJPags wrote...
Basically, again, she talks, rather than attack outright.  If she really wanted to kill the PC, how easy would it be to kill them in Howe's palace, either during the fight or after you surrender?  Yet she doesn't.

She;s sending you to the chopping block regardless. You can't afford to lose and if she won't step aside she'll have to be disposed of.

[Estelindis]

If we only had enough archdemon blood for one extra Warden, I'd have taken her over Loghain any day. I found it much tougher to beat her with a full party than it was to beat Loghain solo with my Warden (which was honestly a piece of cake). She could nearly take on the whole Blight just by herself...

In terms of her personality, I found her a bit irritating - but, in a strange way, it's refreshing to have someone who you can't persuade to love everything the Warden does or says.

Modifié par Estelindis, 08 octobre 2010 - 02:30 .

[TJPags]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ TJPAgs.
You are assuming that Loghain was the one who ordered her to do that (I think), and I've argued why this probably isn't the case a few pages back. There is a scheduled landsmeet, the Warden and Alistair are expected to be there. It's none of her business to try and not let you through.

No, I saw your post, and I agree - I don't think he ordered her to.  I think she took things into her own hands, with her intent being to serve the man she swore to serve.  She thinks for herself in that regard, and it IS one of the things I like about her - she's not just a blind minion, but she thinks.  Now, I don't like WHAT she thinks, or the person on whose behalf she's doing the thinking, but I respect that she has initiative.

[TJPags]

tool_bot wrote...

TJPags wrote...
Basically, again, she talks, rather than attack outright.  If she really wanted to kill the PC, how easy would it be to kill them in Howe's palace, either during the fight or after you surrender?  Yet she doesn't.

She;s sending you to the chopping block regardless. You can't afford to lose and if she won't step aside she'll have to be disposed of.

Oh, I agree completely, and it's why I kill her.

But I don't hate her, or even dislike her.

[tool_bot]

Estelindis wrote...

If we only had enough archdemon blood for one extra Warden, I'd have taken her over Loghain any day. I found it much tougher to beat her with a full party than it was to beat Loghain solo with my Warden (which was honestly a piece of cake). She could nearly take on the whole Blight just by herself...

In terms of her personality, I found her a bit irritating - but, in a strange way, it's refreshing to have someone who you can't persuade to love everything the Warden does or says.

Yeah but she wouldn't be a symbol like Loghain is and she lacks Loghain's (supposed) genius. 

Honestly as much as everyone might hate him, I'd take Jowan over both. Or Teagan.

[Estelindis]

tool_bot wrote...
Yeah but she wouldn't be a symbol like Loghain is and she lacks Loghain's (supposed) genius. 

Honestly as much as everyone might hate him, I'd take Jowan over both. Or Teagan.

I also expect Alistair wouldn't leave my Warden's party over her, which is another plus.

Teagan would be a mistake, I think, given the importance of his bloodline for Ferelden (Eamon's mage child can't inherit).  Jowan?  Maybe.  Very much a case of what might have been, given his once-upon-a-time party member status.  But, overall, I'd rather a proven warrior than an undisciplined blood mage.

[Zjarcal]

Estelindis wrote...

If we only had enough archdemon blood for one extra Warden, I'd have taken her over Loghain any day. I found it much tougher to beat her with a full party than it was to beat Loghain solo with my Warden (which was honestly a piece of cake). She could nearly take on the whole Blight just by herself...

Yeah but that's gameplay mechanics. Sort of how Loghain goes from boss, to elite, to regular once the Landsmeet is done (if he's spared).

[DebatableBubble]

I hate Cauthrien. She's a b**** who deserves to die after acting all high and mighty to my MHN.

Besides, she's got a nice sword.

Modifié par falloutseriesfan, 08 octobre 2010 - 07:36 .

[Sarah1281]

Honestly? Why do people keep saying that they feel someone should DIE for being a little rude?

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Honestly? Why do people keep saying that they feel someone should DIE for being a little rude?

I don't know.

Some people have said that they kill Isolde just because she has an annoying voice, so....

I know I wanted to smack her after her "churl" comment and I can understand why her rudeness would not help matters in deciding whether to kill her or not, but still, I would never say that she HAS to die for that "churl" comment.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 08 octobre 2010 - 04:46 .

[Monica21]

Zjarcal wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Honestly? Why do people keep saying that they feel someone should DIE for being a little rude?

I don't know.

Some people have said that they kill Isolde just because she has an annoying voice, so....

I know I wanted to smack her after her "churl" comment and I can understand why her rudeness would not help matters in deciding whether to kill her or not, but still, I would never say that she HAS to die for that "churl" comment.

Isolde does have a really annoying voice, but that's not a good enough reason to kill her, I agree. And as far as Cauthrien goes, I admire her loyalty and her willingness to do whatever it takes for her cause. Isn't that pretty much what the Warden does? You can lie and insult people all across Ferelden and still wind up a national hero. This "Loghain's second better not call me names!" business is ridiculous. Really, the Warden has bigger things to worry about.

[CalJones]

Yeah, but a lot of people on these board are very young, and that sort of attitude is common with kids. I teach at a primary school and all the time I hear "Miss, she called me names, waaah!" like it's the worst thing you can do to someone.

[Sarah1281]

CalJones wrote...

Yeah, but a lot of people on these board are very young, and that sort of attitude is common with kids. I teach at a primary school and all the time I hear "Miss, she called me names, waaah!" like it's the worst thing you can do to someone.

How young are we talking? 

[Addai]

quote
Isolde does have a really annoying voice, but that's not a good enough
reason to kill her, I agree. And as far as Cauthrien goes, I admire her
loyalty and her willingness to do whatever it takes for her cause. Isn't
that pretty much what the Warden does? You can lie and insult people
all across Ferelden and still wind up a national hero. This "Loghain's
second better not call me names!" business is ridiculous. Really, the
Warden has bigger things to worry about.
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(husband)

Nah   It's a game.   If people want to off her because she pisses them off, and they came home in a bad mood from work, or getting stuck on the freeway etc.   It's all good.    You somtimes need to enjoy those small pleasures.   It's just another aspect of wish fulfillment in the game.   Like all that romance stuff only darker.

Modifié par Addai67, 08 octobre 2010 - 05:08 .

[CalJones]

Primary is 5 to 11s. But the attitude often carries on into teens and even early 20s (not that older kids will go running to teacher, but they will take great umbrage at the insult).