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[TheMufflon]

iShreav wrote...

I mean, realistically, an RPG involves you creating your own character.

Why? I've played P'n'P one-shots with pregenerated characters, are you saying that's not role-playing?

[In Exile]

Vaeliorin wrote...
While I don't recall ever making that exact dialogue choice and therefore don't know exactly what Alistair's reply is, just because Alistair reacts negatively and you lose influence doesn't necessarily mean that you said it in an insulting tone.  Maybe he's just upset that he's trying to be serious, and you're making jokes.  I certainly know it annoys me when I'm trying to have a serious conversation and my friends keep cracking jokes.

Right, and that is certainly his perrogative. The issue is not that Alistair should not be upset about my choice - his reaction has to do with his own internal state. The issue is rather that on noticing that the choice did affect his mental state, I cannot address it.

[STEllUS-Swei]

TheMufflon wrote...

STEllUS-Swei wrote...

TheMufflon wrote...

STEllUS-Swei wrote...

2) A Forced Role is not a true rpg It's An Action Adventure with a few  "hints" of rpg elements

So you're saying that two of the most celebrated CRPGs of all time, Planescape: Torment and Knights of the Old Republic, are in fact action adventures?

No absolutly not Loved Kotor etc.

Yet in KotOR you were forced to play a specific character, thus by your defenition it would be an action adventure.

You dident have to my friend you could chose to be Revan Or Not Being him freedom of making you're own persona thats one of the "Feats" Of the memory loss you know to not force you to be "Darth Revan" He pretty mouch died on his ship during Malaks betrayal

And tungtwisting the meaning of my statement A Forced  Role in to being only onething becouse you've have said it must be so its not realy A Worthy Reply At all

Modifié par STEllUS-Swei, 09 octobre 2010 - 01:48 .

[Shreav]

TheMufflon wrote...

iShreav wrote...

I mean, realistically, an RPG involves you creating your own character.

Why? I've played P'n'P one-shots with pregenerated characters, are you saying that's not role-playing?

Oh.  So all the characters you play are pregenerated?

[Vaeliorin]

In Exile wrote...

Vaeliorin wrote...
While I don't recall ever making that exact dialogue choice and therefore don't know exactly what Alistair's reply is, just because Alistair reacts negatively and you lose influence doesn't necessarily mean that you said it in an insulting tone.  Maybe he's just upset that he's trying to be serious, and you're making jokes.  I certainly know it annoys me when I'm trying to have a serious conversation and my friends keep cracking jokes.

Right, and that is certainly his perrogative. The issue is not that Alistair should not be upset about my choice - his reaction has to do with his own internal state. The issue is rather that on noticing that the choice did affect his mental state, I cannot address it.

I would argue that in that particularly example, it would make sense for Alistair not to give you the opportunity to address it.  Given the seriousness of the issue, it would make perfect sense to me for him to cut you off if you tried to speak after that because it's hard enough to make such a confession without someone blathering at you.  Then, once the revelation has occurred, it would seem odd to ignore this rather momentous revelation in order to address an earlier, largely inconsequential misunderstanding.

I'm not saying that's always the case, but in that particularly example I feel it plays out somewhat realistically.

[TheMufflon]

iShreav wrote...

Oh.  So all the characters you play are pregenerated?

Does "I have played" = "I only play"? No, it obviously does not.

[Shreav]

TheMufflon wrote...

iShreav wrote...

Oh.  So all the characters you play are pregenerated?

Does "I have played" = "I only play"? No, it obviously does not.

Then you would know that pregenerated characters are guides designed for newbies to PnP.

[pizoxuat]

iShreav wrote...

TheMufflon wrote...

iShreav wrote...

Oh.  So all the characters you play are pregenerated?

Does "I have played" = "I only play"? No, it obviously does not.

Then you would know that pregenerated characters are guides designed for newbies to PnP.

Or that the GM is running a very specific scenario and that's how the group plays.  Using pre-gen characters isn't just for newbies and it's not Bad Wrong Fun.

[TheMufflon]

iShreav wrote...

Then you would know that pregenerated characters are guides designed for newbies to PnP.

They can be, but they hardly need to be. Pregenerated characters are almost always used for one-shots, because there is no time for character creation. Ever played a game at a con?

The fact that you are playing a premade character doesn't mean you're not making decisions and role-playing that character.

[Shreav]

pizoxuat wrote...

iShreav wrote...

TheMufflon wrote...

iShreav wrote...

Oh.  So all the characters you play are pregenerated?

Does "I have played" = "I only play"? No, it obviously does not.

Then you would know that pregenerated characters are guides designed for newbies to PnP.

Or that the GM is running a very specific scenario and that's how the group plays.  Using pre-gen characters isn't just for newbies and it's not Bad Wrong Fun.

I'm not saying it's bad-wrong-fun, or anything.  Pregenerated characters exist so that newbies can get used to skill and stat allocation.  It's complex the first time 'round and that's understandable.

[Lumikki]

Hard to say what route is best for RPG. OP has some point there, meaning DA2 seem to have more limits for character developments than DAO had. What I have seen DA2 so far, I would say this, it's gonna be very good game some players, but not really game for me. But it was just and just that I could play DAO and finish it.

Modifié par Lumikki, 09 octobre 2010 - 01:54 .

[STEllUS-Swei]

iShreav wrote...

TheMufflon wrote...

iShreav wrote...

Oh.  So all the characters you play are pregenerated?

Does "I have played" = "I only play"? No, it obviously does not.

Then you would know that pregenerated characters are guides designed for newbies to PnP.

Yeah its to give new players a basic understanding about the principals of  how the "class/Stat/Skill/Rule" System Works before you are able to make the math & Desicions on you're own.

Modifié par STEllUS-Swei, 09 octobre 2010 - 01:57 .

[Shreav]

TheMufflon wrote...

Ever played a game at a con?

The fact that you are playing a premade character doesn't mean you're not making decisions and role-playing that character.

Touché.  I have never played at a Con, but I imagine time is minimal.

However, as far as premade characters go, I never argued anything about decision and role-playing in general terms.  I was only talking about KotoR, specifically.

I believe if you read my entire post on it, you will find that my argument, in its *wholeness* makes more sense.

Modifié par iShreav, 09 octobre 2010 - 01:56 .

[TheMufflon]

iShreav wrote...

Pregenerated characters exist so that newbies can get used to skill and stat allocation.

That is incorrect.

[Shreav]

TheMufflon wrote...

iShreav wrote...

Pregenerated characters exist so that newbies can get used to skill and stat allocation.

That is incorrect.

Skill and stat allocation and more.

[Shreav]

Regardless of all this, I am saying that, ultimately, an RPG is however your GM wants it to be.

The books, the pregen-characters, everything; it's all a guide.

Modifié par iShreav, 09 octobre 2010 - 02:03 .

[TheMufflon]

iShreav wrote...

TheMufflon wrote...

iShreav wrote...

Pregenerated characters exist so that newbies can get used to skill and stat allocation.

That is incorrect.

Skill and stat allocation and more.

You misunderstand. I was not refering to that particular part of your statment, or a particular part of your statement for that matter. I was refering to your statement in it's entierty.

Pregenerated characters exist because sometimes it is preferable to be given a predetermined character rather than creating your own. No more, no less. While I suppose they could be used for players new to the game, I personally wouldn't use them for that purpose unless I was otherwise necessitated to do so.

Modifié par TheMufflon, 09 octobre 2010 - 02:03 .

[Shreav]

- Withdrawn

Modifié par iShreav, 09 octobre 2010 - 02:11 .

[PsyrenY]

TheMufflon wrote...

You misunderstand. I was not refering to that particular part of your statment, or a particular part of your statement for that matter. I was refering to your statement in it's entierty.

Pregenerated characters exist because sometimes it is preferable to be given a predetermined character rather than creating your own. No more, no less. While I suppose they could be used for players new to the game, I personally wouldn't use them for that purpose unless I was otherwise necessitated to do so.

Actually, he's talking about pre-gen characters as they exist in a PnP setting - e.g. the ones at a convention or the pre-set "packages" from NWN. He wasn't talking about characters with some unchangeable elements e.g. Hawke.

[Shreav]

Optimystic_X wrote...

TheMufflon wrote...

You misunderstand. I was not refering to that particular part of your statment, or a particular part of your statement for that matter. I was refering to your statement in it's entierty.

Pregenerated characters exist because sometimes it is preferable to be given a predetermined character rather than creating your own. No more, no less. While I suppose they could be used for players new to the game, I personally wouldn't use them for that purpose unless I was otherwise necessitated to do so.

Actually, he's talking about pre-gen characters as they exist in a PnP setting - e.g. the ones at a convention or the pre-set "packages" from NWN. He wasn't talking about characters with some unchangeable elements e.g. Hawke.

Doesn't matter.  The dude has an incessant need to be correct, ultimately twisting everything.  I'm not going to feed his ego.  =D

[TheMufflon]

Optimystic_X wrote...

TheMufflon wrote...

You misunderstand. I was not refering to that particular part of your statment, or a particular part of your statement for that matter. I was refering to your statement in it's entierty.

Pregenerated characters exist because sometimes it is preferable to be given a predetermined character rather than creating your own. No more, no less. While I suppose they could be used for players new to the game, I personally wouldn't use them for that purpose unless I was otherwise necessitated to do so.

Actually, he's talking about pre-gen characters as they exist in a PnP setting - e.g. the ones at a convention or the pre-set "packages" from NWN. He wasn't talking about characters with some unchangeable elements e.g. Hawke.

So am I. Not that I see much of a difference between the two.

[TheMufflon]

iShreav wrote...

Doesn't matter.  The dude has an incessant need to be correct, ultimately twisting everything.  I'm not going to feed his ego.  =D

I am often correct simply because I don't post when I have no idea what I'm talking about.

[STEllUS-Swei]

iShreav wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

TheMufflon wrote...

You misunderstand. I was not refering to that particular part of your statment, or a particular part of your statement for that matter. I was refering to your statement in it's entierty.

Pregenerated characters exist because sometimes it is preferable to be given a predetermined character rather than creating your own. No more, no less. While I suppose they could be used for players new to the game, I personally wouldn't use them for that purpose unless I was otherwise necessitated to do so.

Actually, he's talking about pre-gen characters as they exist in a PnP setting - e.g. the ones at a convention or the pre-set "packages" from NWN. He wasn't talking about characters with some unchangeable elements e.g. Hawke.

Doesn't matter.  The dude has an incessant need to be correct, ultimately twisting everything.  I'm not going to feed his ego.  =D

I Concur. No more feeding the troll

[TheMufflon]

STEllUS-Swei wrote...

I Concur. No more feeding the troll

Is your response to critisim always to cover your ears and go "LALALALALA!"?

Modifié par TheMufflon, 09 octobre 2010 - 04:06 .

[Kusy]

iShreav wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Oldschool RPGs are not playable anymore, fun as a reminder or nostalgia trips but come on - who plays Daggerfall now? Who can even launch it? Who can stand Fallout 1 and 2 combat without a groan? Who doesn't laugh at smiling enemies in Morrowind?

Come on "Oldschoo RPG diehard fans"! We can finish the hard part now... die already!

Combat sometimes is a pain in the ass... but I guess it remains playable to the point of enjoying it. Seriously, try to play Daggerfall - if you won't give up after 2 hours - youre a monster.

Quotes messed up, you know what I mean.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 09 octobre 2010 - 02:36 .