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[upsettingshorts]

the_one_54321 wrote...
Dialog interaction is hardly mechanical, but I could see how someone might claim that was part of the core mechanic of DA:O. If they were to have included that in DA][ I would have seen it as a positive. But the currently system described for the game doesn't rub me the wrong way either. Actually playing the game will hardly change at all, strictly speaking.

Then I can definitely see how you'd find my labels restrictive and inapplicable.  Still, can't expect to encompass everyone. 

David Gaider wrote...
Origins

Every time I see "Origins" without Dragon Age before it, I am sadly reminded of an actual example of a developer that changed, lost its way, and was eventually vaporized.

They created worlds [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 09 octobre 2010 - 07:38 .

[the_one_54321]

Meltemph wrote...
Ah, see I didn't like it much, outside of placing fireballs and what no

And how many logged hours did you spend in combat, exactly? 
"Placing fireballs and such" was a pretty darn significant portion of the game...

[the_one_54321]

David Gaider wrote...
Anything else is like Shroedinger's Cat and doesn't actually exist.

This is what I've been saying!!!!
This whole thing is just a big discussion about Schredinger's Cat! But darnit, I like talking about Schroedinger's Cat! Incidentally I just finished rewatching Noein the other day. Fantastic show, mostly about Schroedinger's Cat.

Would I be out of line if I dragged this discussion toward quantum mechanics and the nature of time, space, and divergent realities...

[upsettingshorts]

the_one_54321 wrote...
Would I be out of line if I dragged this discussion toward quantum mechanics and the nature of time, space, and divergent realities...

You'd get rid of me, so if that's your goal then check-mate!  My interest is in rhetoric and language, and am completely out of my depth when it comes to physics.

[Meltemph]

Soon is an evil word that creates expectations w/o structure, and I blame MMO's for the overuse of it.  Soon is a safe word in terms of time frame, but can also be dangerous to the mental state of the people who use the word to to the huge influx of people waiting on bended knee, hoping and praying that soon means weeks and by weeks they mean the weekend.

Soon, evil word! 

[Onyx Jaguar]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
Would I be out of line if I dragged this discussion toward quantum mechanics and the nature of time, space, and divergent realities...

You'd get rid of me, so if that's your goal then check-mate!  My interest is in rhetoric and language, and am completely out of my depth when it comes to physics.

You should stick around.  You might learn something.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Apparently every political party drags America to the ground per political cycle and that explains why the US is firmly at sea level, while in some places up to a mile above sea level

The same applies to all Bioware games

Except their Canadian

Except for TOR, that will bring the apocalypse, and will bring the US to the ground as its dynamic shift in ideologies will obviously shake the foundation of all video games a centimeter to the lower right. And it will be big government as they will monitor all citizens of TOR with additional memberships and costs that they will claim will keep the servers up and running. But I don't want to pay for a bunch of freeloaders playing that game. I only want to pay for myself and myself only, as I will be the one subscribing not some random person I will never meet and who probably does not have a job.

Whats dragged America to sea level is pushing socialistic policy, over spending by both parties though more so by democrats, and the current administration's desire to make government even larger and pass legislation that the majority of the American public doesn't want (Obamacare), all the while apologizing to the rest of the world and coddling lobbyist, special interest groups etc, rather than doing the will of the American people, which is why elected officials got voted for in the first place.

[David Gaider]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Every time I see "Origins" without Dragon Age before it, I am sadly reminded of an actual example of a developer that changed, lost its way, and was eventually vaporized.

They created worlds [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]

True. That may happen to BioWare someday, and I imagine there's more than a few folks on these forums who would experience major schadenfreude if that happened-- barring the fact that this still won't make us create the exact game they want, or send a message to the industry that doing so is a path to success, but I imagine they'll think we deserved it for betraying the True Oath of the Roleplayer.

And those who don't will probably give us a salute and invoke our name fondly when they move on to annoying other developers. Life is cyclical.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Meltemph wrote...

Soon is an evil word that creates expectations w/o structure, and I blame MMO's for the overuse of it.  Soon is a safe word in terms of time frame, but can also be dangerous to the mental state of the people who use the word to to the huge influx of people waiting on bended knee, hoping and praying that soon means weeks and by weeks they mean the weekend.

Soon, evil word! 

This metaphysical being has seen the light

[upsettingshorts]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
You should stick around.  You might learn something.

Oh I'd still be reading, but though I do enjoy hearing myself type - or reading my own text - I wouldn't be adding much.

David Gaider wrote...
And those who don't will probably give us a salute and invoke our name fondly when they move on to annoying other developers. Life is cyclical.

Well, if Bioware does sadly follow the Origin example, I do hope that the movie that ends up drawing away your lead developer into the realm of Hollywood production ends up better than Wing Commander.

:innocent:

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 09 octobre 2010 - 07:47 .

[Leonia]

the_one_54321 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
Anything else is like Shroedinger's Cat and doesn't actually exist.

This is what I've been saying!!!!
This whole thing is just a big discussion about Schredinger's Cat! But darnit, I like talking about Schroedinger's Cat! Incidentally I just finished rewatching Noein the other day. Fantastic show, mostly about Schroedinger's Cat.

Would I be out of line if I dragged this discussion toward quantum mechanics and the nature of time, space, and divergent realities...

Somehow I doubt that would prove more fruitful but it does sound a bit more interesting than speculating about the very little information that has been released in regards to DA 2 so far..

I'm fine with speculation, really, I just get sick of the doom and gloom and the judgemental behaviour that posters try to push onto others.

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Whats dragged America to sea level
is pushing socialistic policy, over spending by both parties though more
so by democrats, and the current administration's desire to make
government even larger and pass legislation that the majority of the
American public doesn't want (Obamacare), all the while apologizing to
the rest of the world and coddling lobbyist, special interest groups
etc, rather than doing the will of the American people, which is why
elected officials got voted for in the first place.

Ok, now I know EXACTLY why all of your posts are rubbing me wrong. They are drastically off-topic and irrelevant to this thread, but I shouldn't expect much more from someone who doesn't understand what socialism actually means, should I?

Modifié par leonia42, 09 octobre 2010 - 07:48 .

[the_one_54321]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
Would I be out of line if I dragged this discussion toward quantum mechanics and the nature of time, space, and divergent realities...

You'd get rid of me, so if that's your goal then check-mate!  My interest is in rhetoric and language, and am completely out of my depth when it comes to physics.

But oh man, the infinately divergent realities theory is really cool! 

Oh well, I guess we'll stick to speculating about the game instead of reality in general.

So.. yeah... maintaining the status quo... stagnation is not the goal there. Just maintaining the general interaction with gameplay. Want the game to offer the same interaction, but provide new/improved features and advance the/a story. If that's maintaining the status quo (I would not say that it is) then so be it.

[Meltemph]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Apparently every political party drags America to the ground per political cycle and that explains why the US is firmly at sea level, while in some places up to a mile above sea level

The same applies to all Bioware games

Except their Canadian

Except for TOR, that will bring the apocalypse, and will bring the US to the ground as its dynamic shift in ideologies will obviously shake the foundation of all video games a centimeter to the lower right. And it will be big government as they will monitor all citizens of TOR with additional memberships and costs that they will claim will keep the servers up and running. But I don't want to pay for a bunch of freeloaders playing that game. I only want to pay for myself and myself only, as I will be the one subscribing not some random person I will never meet and who probably does not have a job.

Whats dragged America to sea level is pushing socialistic policy, over spending by both parties though more so by democrats, and the current administration's desire to make government even larger and pass legislation that the majority of the American public doesn't want (Obamacare), all the while apologizing to the rest of the world and coddling lobbyist, special interest groups etc, rather than doing the will of the American people, which is why elected officials got voted for in the first place.

Hrmm... I think I was right, and that you just like drama, not necessarily being condescending.  <_<

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Meltemph wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Apparently every political party drags America to the ground per political cycle and that explains why the US is firmly at sea level, while in some places up to a mile above sea level

The same applies to all Bioware games

Except their Canadian

Except for TOR, that will bring the apocalypse, and will bring the US to the ground as its dynamic shift in ideologies will obviously shake the foundation of all video games a centimeter to the lower right. And it will be big government as they will monitor all citizens of TOR with additional memberships and costs that they will claim will keep the servers up and running. But I don't want to pay for a bunch of freeloaders playing that game. I only want to pay for myself and myself only, as I will be the one subscribing not some random person I will never meet and who probably does not have a job.

Whats dragged America to sea level is pushing socialistic policy, over spending by both parties though more so by democrats, and the current administration's desire to make government even larger and pass legislation that the majority of the American public doesn't want (Obamacare), all the while apologizing to the rest of the world and coddling lobbyist, special interest groups etc, rather than doing the will of the American people, which is why elected officials got voted for in the first place.

Hrmm... I think I was right, and that you just like drama, not necessarily being condescending.  <_<

Not really, thats pretty much just my take on things. Obama fooled a ton of people with his hopey changy message, really didn't have much of a plan, still doesn't, and at this point is just trying to pass as many liberal policies through as he can before his 1 term presidency is over.

[the_one_54321]

Please don't respond to the politics posts. Ignoring them is the quickest way to make them go away and not get the thread locked.

[upsettingshorts]

the_one_54321 wrote...
So.. yeah... maintaining the status quo... stagnation is not the goal there. Just maintaining the general interaction with gameplay. Want the game to offer the same interaction, but provide new/improved features and advance the/a story. If that's maintaining the status quo (I would not say that it is) then so be it.

I'd say that it is closer to the spirit of what I was thinking of with the Liberal label.  The problem, as it is becoming clear, is that so many people have vastly different viewpoints on what they consider untouchable that drawing the line - and it does have to be drawn - is pretty difficult. 

So yeah, I think most people are somewhere in the middle - yourself included.  Nothing wrong with simply saying that the labels don't easily apply to you, they shouldn't.  They're just guidelines, a start.

the_one_54321 wrote...

Please don't respond to the politics posts. Ignoring them is the quickest way to make them go away and not get the thread locked.

Right.  I took great pains in my posts on the usage of the terminology to stress that the labels had nothing to do with current political divisions.  In fact, they were inspired by a game that takes place in an era where a reactionary wanted a monarchy and a liberal had the gall to suggest women have the right to vote.  It's seriously not relevant.  The labels are relative to each other and nothing more.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 09 octobre 2010 - 07:52 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Apparently every political party drags America to the ground per political cycle and that explains why the US is firmly at sea level, while in some places up to a mile above sea level

The same applies to all Bioware games

Except their Canadian

Except for TOR, that will bring the apocalypse, and will bring the US to the ground as its dynamic shift in ideologies will obviously shake the foundation of all video games a centimeter to the lower right. And it will be big government as they will monitor all citizens of TOR with additional memberships and costs that they will claim will keep the servers up and running. But I don't want to pay for a bunch of freeloaders playing that game. I only want to pay for myself and myself only, as I will be the one subscribing not some random person I will never meet and who probably does not have a job.

Whats dragged America to sea level is pushing socialistic policy, over spending by both parties though more so by democrats, and the current administration's desire to make government even larger and pass legislation that the majority of the American public doesn't want (Obamacare), all the while apologizing to the rest of the world and coddling lobbyist, special interest groups etc, rather than doing the will of the American people, which is why elected officials got voted for in the first place.

The US is a federation of independent states.  I have no control over what someone like John Kerry or Beynard does because frankly they are out of my control and my districts.  You have multiple "governors" small scale rulers that answer to their own constituents and one administration that responds to a conglomerate of those states.  The US is not a single entity it cannot be pleased.  If it was both the Bush administration and the Obama administration would have had more of an effect.  

I ****ing hate Stephen King, he does not do what I want him to do, but I have no power over that.  Multiple his ideology by a number of districts and you have a movement.  Demographics also seperate this, North South, East West, Black White, Rich Poor, Rural Urban.  Different people want different things.  To think that we have been dragged down is a bit naive as we are not that far out of step as we were in the Carter or Reagan administrations.

[David Gaider]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
Not really, thats pretty much just my take on things. Obama fooled a ton of people with his hopey changy message, really didn't have much of a plan, still doesn't, and at this point is just trying to pass as many liberal policies through as he can before his 1 term presidency is over.

Okay, last warning before I give you a ticket out of here: keep your real-world political opinions to yourself.

Same goes for everyone: this is not the place to be discussing politics, no matter how unique a snowflake you think your political opinons are.

Modifié par David Gaider, 09 octobre 2010 - 07:52 .

[the_one_54321]

NOT TALKING ABOUT POLITICS. TALKING ABOUT VIDEO GAMES.

[Meltemph]

 

Not really, thats pretty much just my take on things. Obama fooled a ton of people with his hopey changy message, really didn't have much of a plan, still doesn't, and at this point is just trying to pass as many liberal policies through as he can before his 1 term presidency is over.

But the way you present things and the topics you choose(Politics), seems to always have, "stiring the pot" in mind, unless you just don't know you are doing it, which I doubt.  

[Meltemph]

the_one_54321 wrote...

NOT TALKING ABOUT POLITICS. TALKING ABOUT VIDEO GAMES.

I see you found cruise control for cool.  

[Leonia]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
So.. yeah... maintaining the status quo... stagnation is not the goal there. Just maintaining the general interaction with gameplay. Want the game to offer the same interaction, but provide new/improved features and advance the/a story. If that's maintaining the status quo (I would not say that it is) then so be it.

I'd say that it is closer to the spirit of what I was thinking of with the Liberal label.  The problem, as it is becoming clear, is that so many people have vastly different viewpoints on what they consider untouchable that drawing the line - and it does have to be drawn - is pretty difficult. 

So yeah, I think most people are somewhere in the middle - yourself included.  Nothing wrong with simply saying that the labels don't easily apply to you, they shouldn't.  They're just guidelines, a start.

the_one_54321 wrote...

Please don't respond to the
politics posts. Ignoring them is the quickest way to make them go away
and not get the thread locked.

Right.  I took great pains in my posts on the usage of the terminology to stress that the labels had nothing to do with current political divisions.  In fact, they were inspired by a game that takes place in an era where a reactionary wanted a monarchy and a liberal had the gall to suggest women have the right to vote.  It's seriously not relevant.  The labels are relative to each other and nothing more.

Your definitiions were a good starting point and it does help to categorise the debate into who supports what, even if it is a bit impossible to account for everyone. I think I lean more towards the Liberal/Radical line myself and as someone who has played games (including Bioware ones) for a long time, I think it is in the best interest of a company to move forward and adapt to the changing market rather than sitting still in the land of past glory days.

Modifié par leonia42, 09 octobre 2010 - 07:54 .

[NoAngel89]

ah crap this idiot is going to get this forum locked, and for a very..... idk not only stupid reason, but a very unrelated one. seriously why the heck are we talking about Obama???? nvm...... Anyway yeah...... DA2. I wonder, any news on when a demo is coming for people in th US

Modifié par NoAngel89, 09 octobre 2010 - 07:55 .

[the_one_54321]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
So yeah, I think most people are somewhere in the middle - yourself included.  Nothing wrong with simply saying that the labels don't easily apply to you, they shouldn't.  They're just guidelines, a start.

If making the transition away from tactical combat with pause is progress, then I am against progress.

In the DA franchise.

I like ME2 (except for the third person, please give me a first person perspective option with out cover, please please please) and it's combat. And most of that game was combat, so that says something about how tollerant I am to those kinds of mechanics. I also play FPSs from time to time. They're fun. RTSs too.

But a place for everything and everything in it's place. DA will be less fun if it begins to play just like ME2. I don't need 2 ME2s. I already have one.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 09 octobre 2010 - 07:58 .

[the_one_54321]

Meltemph wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
NOT TALKING ABOUT POLITICS. TALKING ABOUT VIDEO GAMES.

I see you found cruise control for cool.  

We're having a good discussion here. Don't get the thread locked, please.