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[SXOSXO]

The market is, and always will be there. Heck, there's still a hardcore NWN community out there. But Bioware works for EA now, and EA is accountable to its shareholders by law, that means profits mean everything. Not cause of greed necessarily, but because it's someone's butt on the line if they don't meet expected profit margins and whatnot. What this means is they're not willing to take risks on a smaller market, especially when the cost of developing these games has skyrocketed the way they have.

Don't get me wrong, I wish Bioware would make a BG3 or NWN3 just for us or something, but I'm just playing devil's advocate here. We just have to remember everything isn't so black & white.

[bobolda7]

I think people should stop making assumptions on limited information. You can still choose your stats, you can still use skills and autoattack, The wheel just changes from list form and you actually will have more dialogue choices because of a larger investigate pool. It is still party based combat and the so called "button mashing hack and slash" will not win you the game. There is still iso on the pc so you don't have to rent a fallout shelter for the apocalypse.

[Sylvius the Mad]

bobolda7 wrote...

I think people should stop making assumptions on limited information. You can still choose your stats, you can still use skills and autoattack, The wheel just changes from list form and you actually will have more dialogue choices because of a larger investigate pool. It is still party based combat and the so called "button mashing hack and slash" will not win you the game. There is still iso on the pc so you don't have to rent a fallout shelter for the apocalypse.

You did skip over that the wheel hides the full dialogue text from the player, so he cannot make an informed decision when choosing options, and that the PC voice forces a specific delivery on the player when before he had the freedom to choose any delivery he could imagine.

[Frank the Running Bugzepel]

So did long walls of text, paraphrasing is not as evil as you think.

[Lyssistr]

SXOSXO wrote...

The market is, and always will be there. Heck, there's still a hardcore NWN community out there. But Bioware works for EA now, and EA is accountable to its shareholders by law, that means profits mean everything. Not cause of greed necessarily, but because it's someone's butt on the line if they don't meet expected profit margins and whatnot. What this means is they're not willing to take risks on a smaller market, especially when the cost of developing these games has skyrocketed the way they have.
Don't get me wrong, I wish Bioware would make a BG3 or NWN3 just for us or something, but I'm just playing devil's advocate here. We just have to remember everything isn't so black & white.

People should start buying securities for an EA default :D:D. We should all gather, make the "we love BG" hedge fund, EA may then begin considering otherwise 

[silentassassin264]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

bobolda7 wrote...

I think people should stop making assumptions on limited information. You can still choose your stats, you can still use skills and autoattack, The wheel just changes from list form and you actually will have more dialogue choices because of a larger investigate pool. It is still party based combat and the so called "button mashing hack and slash" will not win you the game. There is still iso on the pc so you don't have to rent a fallout shelter for the apocalypse.

You did skip over that the wheel hides the full dialogue text from the player, so he cannot make an informed decision when choosing options, and that the PC voice forces a specific delivery on the player when before he had the freedom to choose any delivery he could imagine.

Except you couldn't.  When talking to Zevran one time about what he wanted to do afterwards, I pressed the option about I couldn't see him not killing people as I expected it would be a compliment but it was actually an insult and he got rather upset over it (Zevran disapproves -12).  

[Brockololly]

tmp7704 wrote...

The video you mention is example of over-the-top framed narrative which greatly exaggerates Hawke's deeds and skills. It's short sequence in the beginning of the game from what we're told and then it switches to "that's how it really happened" mode which is much closer to DAO experience.

edit: given the comments on that gametrailers page looks quite a few people make this mistake... BioWare is kinda shooting itself in the foot with choosing this particular bit for the demo, i suppose. On the other hand maybe that's desired effect.

Thats the thing though- from everything I've gathered, the whole "exaggerated narrative" aspect of the beginning is largely limited to:
- The increased gore
- The one hit kill darkspawn to make the player feel powerful
- More numerous enemies
- Higher level abilities

But beyond that, the combat will still function like you see it in the video with the same animations and same speed, just at a lower level and less gore. 

I just think the whole exaggerated narrative is a bit stupid to be showing off as the first thing for DA2. On one hand you have people that may look at it and like the over the top blood, only to be disappointed when its more mundane in the real version. And then you have people who realize thats the exaggerated version but are expecting the "real" version to be drastically different- its still going to pretty much look like what you saw. It just seems silly to show off the exaggerated part of the game as the first gameplay anyone sees of DA2.

[Knight Templar_]

Uh-huh...

Wait what?

I'm sorry but I don't follow. I wish the game had more options for my "origin" but the more I hear the less sense such a thing would make. Granted I might be wrong considering how little we know. Do you make all purchasing decisions months ahead of time?

[Schwadragon]

The underlying structure of DA2 is the same as DA:O. The *animations* are different, but the structure is not. So, while DA2 might end up being more streamlined than DA:O, it will not be a hack n' slash.

[FiveStarGA]

Burrs wrote...

Dragon Age 2 disappoints me. I thoroughly enjoyed Dragon Age: Origins because it was a resurrection of the great rpgs of old. The races, the origins, the isometric view, the incredibly in-depth story. They made that game incredible in a stagnant RPG market. Naturally I assumed dragon age 2 would simply build off the original, perhaps polish the combat a bit. This however, did not happen. Instead I see a game which appears to have had almost all of it's RPG elements trimmed off. After watching this gameplay video: I am even furthered disillusioned. This is not the IP that burst out of nowhere to become a fan favorite. This seems to be a hack and slash game with a good story. I mean, there are fpses with more classes than this game. Bioware, EA, I am disappointed. I will not be buying this game, and I hope you take into account that the features you removed are disgruntling customers. Hopefully you will return to the roots of this great IP some day. Until then my wallet will go elsewere.

This is so pointless...

There have been dozens of similair topics already created saying exactly what you've just said. And with nearly every topic a developer such as Gaider comes on  here and says that the game footage was an exaggeration of Varric's story telling. If you have no interest in buying the game based on a very small amount of footage with game developers telling you that this is not standard gameplay then don't buy it. Everything you've said has already been stated by numerous others.

I wasn't happy with the first bits of information leaked about the game either but I have faith in Bioware.

[Anarya]

IF you're seriously interested in DA2 I think you should wait for more information like the rest of us. It obviously will not be the same as DAO and if that turns you off then I guess it won't be the game for you. You're making a lot of assumptions about a tiny leaked segment of the demo, though.

[Sylvius the Mad]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Except you couldn't.  When talking to Zevran one time about what he wanted to do afterwards, I pressed the option about I couldn't see him not killing people as I expected it would be a compliment but it was actually an insult and he got rather upset over it (Zevran disapproves -12).  

So either you were wrong or he was wrong.

Why are you assuming you were wrong?

[silentassassin264]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Except you couldn't.  When talking to Zevran one time about what he wanted to do afterwards, I pressed the option about I couldn't see him not killing people as I expected it would be a compliment but it was actually an insult and he got rather upset over it (Zevran disapproves -12).  

So either you were wrong or he was wrong.

Why are you assuming you were wrong?

Because I meant that he was a great assassin born to be killing people and he took it as he was a pathetic depraved being and could only kill people.  You could not control the tone of the option to be a compliment or an insult, it was always an insult.  The same happens if Leliana tries to say she feels comfortable with you and you say that you could just keep her nonsense to yourself and laugh at her and she takes it as you were joking with her.  I most definitely meant that I was a jerkass and was laughing at her but she thinks I am a wonderful and funny gal.  Again, you can't change the delivery to be cruel or nice, as it is always nice.  Having the wheel cue you that you response is sarcastic or kind would be very much appreciated rather than enter something and get something completely opposite to what you mean.

[AxelBat]

I think implementing the "hack and slash" properties into Dragon Age is a good thing, as long as it doesn't take away from my RPG elements, and from what it looks like, with auto attack and the continued inclusion of the isometric view for us PC users, it won't.

Why is this a good thing, you may ask? Because DA:O on console is terrible! I had to get it for my xbox before I could afford a nice video card for my pc and it just felt so... wrong. Adding that interactive edge in fighting I think will be an amazing addition for the console users, and one those of us whom won't use it can ignore.

Honestly, your basing your complaints on one very terrible demo. Wait for the game, and don't jump to conclusions.

Modifié par AxelBat, 08 octobre 2010 - 04:50 .

[bobolda7]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

bobolda7 wrote...

I think people should stop making assumptions on limited information. You can still choose your stats, you can still use skills and autoattack, The wheel just changes from list form and you actually will have more dialogue choices because of a larger investigate pool. It is still party based combat and the so called "button mashing hack and slash" will not win you the game. There is still iso on the pc so you don't have to rent a fallout shelter for the apocalypse.

You did skip over that the wheel hides the full dialogue text from the player, so he cannot make an informed decision when choosing options, and that the PC voice forces a specific delivery on the player when before he had the freedom to choose any delivery he could imagine.

It paraphrases but they tell us that the matching tone will match with the dialogue.  Plus we can create a tone with our hawke's overall dialogue direction(Sarcastic, serious etc.) which is more personalization.  So while the voiced pc limits it also adds more

[Morroian]

Burrs wrote...

Dragon Age 2 disappoints me. 

You've played it then I take it.

Burrs wrote...
I thoroughly enjoyed Dragon Age: Origins because it was a resurrection of the great rpgs of old. The races, the origins, the isometric view, the incredibly in-depth story. They made that game incredible in a stagnant RPG market. Naturally I assumed dragon age 2 would simply build off the original, perhaps polish the combat a bit. This however, did not happen. Instead I see a game which appears to have had almost all of it's RPG elements trimmed off. After watching this gameplay video: I am even furthered disillusioned. This is not the IP that burst out of nowhere to become a fan favorite. This seems to be a hack and slash game with a good story. 

Why not read the forums and find out why that video is not representative of the game.

Burrs wrote...
I mean, there are fpses with more classes than this game. 

Its got the same classes as DAO.

[Morroian]

Burrs wrote...
There are no race options, no origins options,

Neither did Planescape Torment are you contending that isn't a classic.

Burrs wrote...
and the dialogue wheel compacts possible choices. Also, the isometric view allowed for more tactical combat. I'm only going by what the company is releasing.

No you're not, there will still be a tactical view. As for the dialogue wheel compacting choices, it can have 6 choices, there were rarely if every more than 6 choices in DAO.

[AtreiyaN7]

Oh joy, one of these threads. Isn't this the same unofficial video that got yanked before? It's been argued to death already, but yeah, feel free to be disappointed about a game that's not even out yet... *shrug* It's already been stated that this video is from an exaggerated portion of the game based on Varric's spin on things, but go ahead, beat the dead horse again so that it's even deader I guess.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Morroian wrote...
No you're not, there will still be a tactical view. As for the dialogue wheel compacting choices, it can have 6 choices, there were rarely if every more than 6 choices in DAO.

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Oh joy, one of these threads. Isn't
this the same unofficial video that got yanked before? It's been argued
to death already, but yeah, feel free to be disappointed about a game
that's not even out yet... *shrug* It's already been stated that this
video is from an exaggerated portion of the game based on Varric's spin
on things, but go ahead, beat the dead horse again so that it's even
deader I guess.

BDF Attack Pattern Omega Defend DA2 Alpha engaged.

In all seriousness if you guys think the attacks are going to look any different in the non exaggerated parts of the game aside from maybe the amount of blood, I have a bridge over some swampland for sale real cheap.

[AtreiyaN7]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Morroian wrote...
No you're not, there will still be a tactical view. As for the dialogue wheel compacting choices, it can have 6 choices, there were rarely if every more than 6 choices in DAO.

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Oh joy, one of these threads. Isn't
this the same unofficial video that got yanked before? It's been argued
to death already, but yeah, feel free to be disappointed about a game
that's not even out yet... *shrug* It's already been stated that this
video is from an exaggerated portion of the game based on Varric's spin
on things, but go ahead, beat the dead horse again so that it's even
deader I guess.

BDF Attack Pattern Omega Defend DA2 Alpha engaged.

In all seriousness if you guys think the attacks are going to look any different in the non exaggerated parts of the game aside from maybe the amount of blood, I have a bridge over some swampland for sale real cheap.

Oh, am I an honorary member of the BDF now because I cited an actual fact and because I'm of the opinion that the OP took the citation of Mr. Knowles' blog from another, similar thread and just ran with it as "proof" that things have gone to heck in a handbasket? Why, I'm so honored! Do I get a card now?

I tell you what, why don't you put on a witch's hat and a find a crystal ball - then you can scry the future for us in detail. I mean, you obviously know exactly how the entire game's going to look and play based on less than two minutes of footage, so hey, you must have some amazing psychic powers.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 08 octobre 2010 - 06:06 .

[Dave of Canada]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

BDF Attack Pattern Omega Defend DA2 Alpha engaged.

Come on, you can do better than that! How about calling us morons again? 

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 08 octobre 2010 - 06:07 .

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Morroian wrote...
No you're not, there will still be a tactical view. As for the dialogue wheel compacting choices, it can have 6 choices, there were rarely if every more than 6 choices in DAO.

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Oh joy, one of these threads. Isn't
this the same unofficial video that got yanked before? It's been argued
to death already, but yeah, feel free to be disappointed about a game
that's not even out yet... *shrug* It's already been stated that this
video is from an exaggerated portion of the game based on Varric's spin
on things, but go ahead, beat the dead horse again so that it's even
deader I guess.

BDF Attack Pattern Omega Defend DA2 Alpha engaged.

In all seriousness if you guys think the attacks are going to look any different in the non exaggerated parts of the game aside from maybe the amount of blood, I have a bridge over some swampland for sale real cheap.

Oh, am I an honorary member of the BDF now because I cited an actual fact and because I'm of the opinion that the OP took the citation of Mr. Knowles' blog from another, similar thread and just ran with it as "proof" that things have gone to heck in a handbasket? Why, I'm so honored! Do I get a card now?

I tell you what, why don't you put on a witch's hat and a find a crystal ball - then you can scry the future for us in detail. I mean, you obviously know exactly how the entire game's going to look and play based on less than two minutes of footage, so hey, you must have some amazing psychic powers.

Yeah because they're going to have completely different animation sets for the exaggerated and non exaggerated parts. Use a bit of common sense here. I highly highly highly doubt they'd waste time or resources on that.

[BallaZs]

Looks like whining on nothing for me.

[AtreiyaN7]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

*snip*

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

*snip *

BDF Attack Pattern Omega Defend DA2 Alpha engaged.

In all seriousness if you guys think the attacks are going to look any different in the non exaggerated parts of the game aside from maybe the amount of blood, I have a bridge over some swampland for sale real cheap.

Oh, am I an honorary member of the BDF now because I cited an actual fact and because I'm of the opinion that the OP took the citation of Mr. Knowles' blog from another, similar thread and just ran with it as "proof" that things have gone to heck in a handbasket? Why, I'm so honored! Do I get a card now?

I tell you what, why don't you put on a witch's hat and a find a crystal ball - then you can scry the future for us in detail. I mean, you obviously know exactly how the entire game's going to look and play based on less than two minutes of footage, so hey, you must have some amazing psychic powers.

Yeah because they're going to have completely different animation sets for the exaggerated and non exaggerated parts. Use a bit of common sense here. I highly highly highly doubt they'd waste time or resources on that.

I wonder why I ignore you 99% of the time...never mind, I remember why. The gameplay in that section is exaggerated in terms of bloodletting (obviously) and damage-dealing. I never said anything about the animation sets or implied that they would be drastically different. Maybe they will be, maybe they won't - I'm not a designer on the game and don't work for the company.

Here's the difference between you and me as far as I'm concerned: I'm unwilling to make blind assumptions like you do about the entire game based on less than two minutes of poorly shot footage. Sorry, but I'll judge the gameplay when the actual game is out and when I see reviews and official footage. If deciding that I want to judge the game objectively makes me a member of the BioWare Defender Force, great. It beats being on of those people who thinks the sky is falling all the time. And you can keep your bridge and your swampland, thanks. Maybe you can work a deal with Flemeth though.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 08 octobre 2010 - 06:32 .

[HTTP 404]

i feel like I read this OP before....